Is baptism Essential for salvation?

[SarahM777]

UMM Does it ever cross anyone's mind the reason Peter said that baptism saves,is because it goes hand in hand with faith?
That being baptized IS AN ACT OF FAITH? It's faith in action. One believes and obeys,it's not rocket science. Jesus said do it,if you believe Him you will do it out of obedeince and love.

 

[A-Omega]

UMM Does it ever cross anyone's mind the reason Peter said that baptism saves,is because it goes hand in hand with faith?
That being baptized IS AN ACT OF FAITH? It's faith in action. One believes and obeys,it's not rocket science. Jesus said do it,if you believe Him you will do it out of obedeince and love.

The baptism in that verse is spiritual.

 

[A-Omega]

UMM Does it ever cross anyone's mind the reason Peter said that baptism saves,is because it goes hand in hand with faith?
That being baptized IS AN ACT OF FAITH? It's faith in action. One believes and obeys,it's not rocket science. Jesus said do it,if you believe Him you will do it out of obedeince and love.

And obedience is not nearly as easy as you make it.

Do you have faith in Jesus Christ? Have you sinned in this pas week?

 

[jinx]

I love how Sarah makes things so simple. GOD did that too. HE wouldn't hide the plan of salvation from HIS people and why would HE? HE wants everyone to find the way to salvation.

 

[homwardbound]

Am I to believe after reading this post that you believe once a person is born again there is NO chance of that person ever sinning again.

that they are spiritual perfect.

No need for grace whatsoever?


you (homie) are in no need of grace whatsoever?

That is not what I said I said by Christ he has by the death taken out of the way the sin problem that caused death to begin with all the way back to Adam and Eve. And by no means am I promoting to continue to sin nope not all. I am promoting to trust God in the finished work of Christ and by trust for God to teach us to walk by the born again Spirit he placed in us unto praising and worshipping God in truth by Spirit of God by the resurrection of Christ. the full Gospel not a half sham one were we ususally only here he died for our sins and the focus stays there at the death never moving onto the power that is found in the resurrection of Christ. It is by the life of Christ that one recieves life. not by the death and one goes out and tries to behave

Romans 5:10For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

[h=3]1 John 2[/h]New International Version (NIV)

2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
We are to quit being like man flesh always trying to do what is right, and stopand just trust God to do in us the truth that none of us can ever do of self. This is what people just do not seem to get, and I see now never will uunless God reveals to them period.
It is not by my efforts at all, and none of my efforts will ever please God, but peple are pleased by others efforts and thus deception has crept in thorugh the pats on the back from others or depression form no pats on theback from others
praying God will reveal truth to you and all others, yet only as God wills it, for God knows who are his and who are not and will reveal truth to those that have no malice in mind.
Thanks

 

[homwardbound]

that makes no sense homie, try again please.

Are you saved by the life of Christ or the death of Christ at the cross?

 

[homwardbound]

They are talking about the law of MOSES.
OT.

NOT the NT.

oh so much to see any law one puts themselve under is as a curse for the law is Spiritual and flesn is weak and can't behave that is why the Just
[h=3]Romans 1:17[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

We are not under Law any Law except the Law of liberty freedom and this is not a law it is the way God is LOVE Sister,Christ showed us this and gave us an example to be 100% dependant on his Father, trhne by the cross forgave us all sin 100% so he could presentus to God the Father as cleansed 100% then God the Father by a gift gives us our new born again life through the Holy Ghost
Romans 5:5
And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

 

[homwardbound]

Moses baptized crossing “through” the Red Sea:

1 Corinthians 10:1” Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

Proof from the NT that Moses and the Children of Israel received, anointed with, came upon them; fill-in your proclivity to the answer, the Holy Spirit and were baptized by water when passing through the (midst) depths of the Red Sea.

Before we move on to David and Abraham, I would like your answer to what I just presented to you.

Shalom
Brotherly love is extended unto you.

Moses did not get dunked die and come back to life the egyptians got dunked and died the same with Noah, they were not Babtised by water they were Babtised by Faith in God and lived. By Faith one is saved all through out the word this is truth, please let's quit mixing flesh works and the Spirit of God it is clear that we are to be born again by the Spirit of God and that God is the one that does this not man ever.

 

[homwardbound]

I don't understand why some people refer to the Old Testament as if it does not matter anymore. It really makes me sad when I read comments from some people who seem to think since we are now living under grace that we no longer have to pay attention to what the bible says in the OT. The bible is the word of God. Given to us by him for every area of our lives. For yesterday, today and tomorrow.

the Word just need to be rightly divided and that can only be revealed by God not us. God in us those that God has accepted to those that decide to believe and not change their minds. Those that irde the adversity ride all the way God reveals the truth t those and they are thus set free in the Spirit of truth, being in reception of the Love of God best described in 1 dor 13:4-13. notice I said in reception of for flesh, physical, carnal can't perform this type of love read it and see. Then ask God to show you and become alive to God by the Spirit of God by the resurrection of Christ
Tell what gives life? The flesh or the Spirit of God Christ's Father?
Is the war between flesh and Spirit? so are to be of the flesh then or the Spirit of God? your free choice

 

[homwardbound]

UMM Does it ever cross anyone's mind the reason Peter said that baptism saves,is because it goes hand in hand with faith?
That being baptized IS AN ACT OF FAITH? It's faith in action. One believes and obeys,it's not rocket science. Jesus said do it,if you believe Him you will do it out of obedeince and love.

Sister here is waht usually happens when one is water Babtized one goes out from here on fire for God and either does waht is right not by God by self effort and thinks of himself more highly than others. or is defiled in trying to obey and just can't quite malke it happen being perfect that is, and either gives up because the stress is too much or does not give up and continues to seek truth out and when he comes to the end of the energy of his own flesh and waives his white flag in surrender to God then one sees the born of the Spirit being born again by Fath and God does the leading from that point on
This is the diffearance between water Babtism of the flesh and Spiritual BAbtism of Christ provided for all by the resurrecvtion of Christ
[h=3]John 3:5-8[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. [SUP]7 [/SUP]You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ [SUP]8 [/SUP]The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

So Sister which gives birth to flesh water yes? And what gives birth to life? Spirit of God yes?
Was John's Batism Spiritual or of flest effort wanting to serve God? All those that were water Babtized by John except Christ, Did any of them recieve new life by this? Water Babtism is only today for a good conscious towards God and nothing more
Matthew 3:11
“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mark 1:8I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
Luke 3:16John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
John 1:33And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Then comes:
Acts 1:5For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
Acts 10:47“Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
and to be babtized with water is a response to God in goog conscious sake of thank you, and as I said before I am not refuting water Babtism I am sating new life does not come fromwater Babtism
Acts 11:16Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

 

[homwardbound]

And obedience is not nearly as easy as you make it.

Do you have faith in Jesus Christ? Have you sinned in this pas week?

Please A omega there is no
[h=3]Romans 8:1-4[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]Life Through the Spirit[/h]8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, [SUP]2 [/SUP]because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

And I do not put the next verse as a way of escape to take advantage of grace

[h=3]1 John 2:1-2[/h]New International Version (NIV)

2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
We are growing unto understanding as an apple on a tree when it is first born inand through the branch it is a pefect apple!!!!!
the only problem is that it is not yet mature and needs protection from te enemy by God unto maturity in God
And I say not to take advantage of because if we do how shall


Hebrews 2:3how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him.

Go ahead any one of get water Babtized, but please seek for the babtism of God the Holy Ghost by the resurrected Christ after words, during the happening however bewcause life nerw life is only found in the resurrected Christ

 

[homwardbound]

I love how Sarah makes things so simple. GOD did that too. HE wouldn't hide the plan of salvation from HIS people and why would HE? HE wants everyone to find the way to salvation.

And God does do this Sister, I repeat God is the one that does this not us at all, but we can perform all we want if we do God does not accept fleshly works, because God has by Christ
[h=3]Romans 8:3[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,

 

[SarahM777]

The baptism in that verse is spiritual.

Not sure how you get that it's spiritual only when Peter very clearly says WATER.

1 Peter 3

After being made alive,[d] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[e] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

 

[SarahM777]

And obedience is not nearly as easy as you make it.

Do you have faith in Jesus Christ? Have you sinned in this pas week?

UMMM Where did I say obeying Him was easy? This is one of the easiest acts of obedience that one can do. If one is unwilling to do this very simple thing it cause to question where they are at. One only has to this once,this is not a daily dying to one self that Jesus very clearly says we are to do also.

 

[SarahM777]

Sister here is waht usually happens when one is water Babtized one goes out from here on fire for God and either does waht is right not by God by self effort and thinks of himself more highly than others. or is defiled in trying to obey and just can't quite malke it happen being perfect that is, and either gives up because the stress is too much or does not give up and continues to seek truth out and when he comes to the end of the energy of his own flesh and waives his white flag in surrender to God then one sees the born of the Spirit being born again by Fath and God does the leading from that point on
This is the diffearance between water Babtism of the flesh and Spiritual BAbtism of Christ provided for all by the resurrecvtion of Christ
John 3:5-8

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. [SUP]7 [/SUP]You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’[SUP]8 [/SUP]The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

So Sister which gives birth to flesh water yes? And what gives birth to life? Spirit of God yes?
Was John's Batism Spiritual or of flest effort wanting to serve God? All those that were water Babtized by John except Christ, Did any of them recieve new life by this? Water Babtism is only today for a good conscious towards God and nothing more
Matthew 3:11
“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mark 1:8I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
Luke 3:16John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
John 1:33And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Then comes:
Acts 1:5For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
Acts 10:47“Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
and to be babtized with water is a response to God in goog conscious sake of thank you, and as I said before I am not refuting water Babtism I am sating new life does not come fromwater Babtism
Acts 11:16Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

UMMM If you look at the later half Acts they were filled with the Holy Spirit BEFORE they were baptized. Perhaps the problem is they were not born again to BEGIN with.

 

[homwardbound]

Not sure how you get that it's spiritual only when Peter very clearly says WATER.

1 Peter 3

After being made alive,[d] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[e] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

If there was no ressurrection of Jesus Christ then would water Babtism save with no resurrection

 

[homwardbound]

UMMM If you look at the later half Acts they were filled with the Holy Spirit BEFORE they were baptized. Perhaps the problem is they were not born again to BEGIN with.

Water Babtism does not save Sister for John said it clearly which I have posted many times that he Babtised for repentance for one to want to serve God which if you want to see it this way then flesh is born to do what is right by God and can't fopr flesh is weak.
now Sister then came after John's Babtism of water for repentance A new Babtism of the Holy Ghost which took place at Pentecost and the disciples were told plainly to wait for this Babtism. If water was still to be the way, the truth and the life then there would have been no need for the Babtism of the Holy Ghost, given freely to those that believed

How do you or can you reconcile what John said about the two types of Babtism? Please no one ahs yet responded to this and said that John lied. So did he lie, you know John was born of the Spirit of God in his mothers womb, do you know this?
So anyway we all have free choice to believe as we each see what we either think as truth and or know as truth
Do you think that it is a Law to have to be water Babtised? or is it a free will choice as Peter said a good conscious towards God not a command?
Thank you for your posts and Love that you love spread in your heart by God knowiing you are born again by the Spirit of God

 

[SarahM777]

Water Babtism does not save Sister for John said it clearly which I have posted many times that he Babtised for repentance for one to want to serve God which if you want to see it this way then flesh is born to do what is right by God and can't fopr flesh is weak.
now Sister then came after John's Babtism of water for repentance A new Babtism of the Holy Ghost which took place at Pentecost and the disciples were told plainly to wait for this Babtism. If water was still to be the way, the truth and the life then there would have been no need for the Babtism of the Holy Ghost, given freely to those that believed

How do you or can you reconcile what John said about the two types of Babtism? Please no one ahs yet responded to this and said that John lied. So did he lie, you know John was born of the Spirit of God in his mothers womb, do you know this?
So anyway we all have free choice to believe as we each see what we either think as truth and or know as truth
Do you think that it is a Law to have to be water Babtised? or is it a free will choice as Peter said a good conscious towards God not a command?
Thank you for your posts and Love that you love spread in your heart by God knowiing you are born again by the Spirit of God

ARRGHHH. You don't get it. The principal is the same principal,Abraham believed God and obeyed,it was His faith in God and what God told Him. IT'S THE SAME THING. Jesus tells us to do it,if we believe what Jesus said we will do it,it is our faith in JESUS that is at the heart of it. It's faith in action. Our faith is to be an active faith. We can't just say we believe and then not do what He told us to do. If we don't do it,it is unbelief. Plain and simple.

 

[livingepistle]

<Note: This is a post that belongs to this excellent Thread and Not an attempt to derail it>

SALVATION “WHAT IS IT?”

Salvation *1* refers to the act of God's grace in delivering his people from bondage to sin and condemnation, transferring them to the kingdom of his beloved Son (Col. 1:13), and giving them eternal life (Romans 6:23)—all on the basis of what Christ accomplished in his atoning sacrifice. The Bible says we are saved by grace through faith; and that not of ourselves, it is the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8).

In theology, the study of salvation is called soteriology, from the Greek soteria meaning "salvation". Salvation, virtually synonymous with the overall concept of redemption, includes a past, present, and future sense. As Christians, we were saved from the penalty of sin when God brought us to faith in Christ; we are presently being saved from the power of sin as the Holy Spirit sanctifies us; and we will someday be saved from the presence of sin when we meet Christ face to face in glory. This idea is presented below in terms of initial, progressive, and final salvation.

Election to salvation may be defined as God's eternal purpose to save some of the human race in and by Jesus Christ. The Bible discusses election in 3 ways:

1. The election of Israel as the Old Testament people of God (e.g. Deut. 4:37)
2. The election of individuals for specific roles of service or office (e.g. 1 Samuel 10:24)
3. The election of individuals for salvation (e.g. Ephesians 1:4)

Definition

*1* In its generic sense, the word salvation refers to deliverance or rescue from some undesirable state or condition.
Results of salvation

Think About the following also: Adoption, Sanctification, Resurrection, Heaven, Beatific vision, and Glorification
Christians that want a deeper understanding concerning Salvation, this site http.//www.theopedia.com/Salvation, is an excellent first step. This is not an attempt to promote a product or Website. This is an excellent source of information to begin the process of understanding salvation and each context of usage when mentioned in Bible scriptures.

I am providing this information so that all that love the Lord and are in search for the truth of this matter.

Salvation is not simply believing and now I am saved. Has anyone stopped to ask what the Bible means by saved? Personally, this is one of the most important questions that can every be asked of a Christian. In the words of Apostle Peter: "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"
2 Peter 1:10.

Shalom--Brotherly love through Christ extended to all.

 

[livingepistle]

Moses did not get dunked die and come back to life the egyptians got dunked and died the same with Noah, they were not Babtised by water they were Babtised by Faith in God and lived. By Faith one is saved all through out the word this is truth, please let's quit mixing flesh works and the Spirit of God it is clear that we are to be born again by the Spirit of God and that God is the one that does this not man ever.

Exodus 14:13 And Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the Lord, which He will accomplish for you today. 21 Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea into dry land, and the waters were divided. 22 So the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea on the dry ground, and the waters were a wall to them on their right hand and on their left. 23 And the Egyptians pursued and went after them into the midst of the sea, all Pharaoh’s horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.30 So the Lord saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians, and Israel saw the Egyptians dead on the seashore. 31 Thus Israel saw the great work which the Lord had done in Egypt; so the people feared the Lord, and believed the Lord and His servant Moses.

Who said this? Did Paul say anything about faith? Do you believe in what the scriptures say? This is not an allegory. The Bible says that they "walked on dry", ground was included in the KJV and some other translations. Walked across on dry-- is proper; what does that mean I do not know, but it does not mean ground. What do you think it means?

Paul says "...in the cloud" what is the meaning?

1 Corinthians 10:1” Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

I posed several questions, please support your answers with scriptures and not conjecture.

Thanks Hom