Is baptism Essential for salvation?

[Cobus]

OBEDIENCE IN NECESSARY FOR SALVATION, IF GOD SAYS DO IT, THEN DO IT OR DIE IN YOUR SIN!!!!!

The COMMAND is 1. REPENT and 2. BE BAPTIZED.

Now Jinx did you repent? Yes? Then why do you still sin... You need to REPENT FIRST!!!! And then be baptized!!
Are you baptized? You were obedient, and still remain sinner? How can that be? I thought the obedience is the NEW CREATURE?
God says the NEW CREATURE ... EVERYTHING IS MADE NEW? Yet the baptized Jinx and the Jinx before that baptism STILL DOES THE SAME SIN! Then God is a lier, or the waterbaptism had no RESULT! Jinx still need to repent. BUT!!!!!! When I look at the BORN AGAIN... the GOD QUICKEN THE DEAD.... And I look at the DEAD OLD MAN THAT GOD FILLS WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, I see this..... 1 John 3:9... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

And I see this... Eph 4:... here is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

This ONE BAPTISM, is the baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT, performed by GOD HIMSELF. Water (H2O) HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.... HE SHALL BAPTIZE YOU WITH SPIRIT.... I will go to ANY BAPTISM JESUS PERFORMS, AND JESUS HAS NEVER PERFORMED A WATER BAPTISM.

I will ask again. Who's example does the person tht do the water baptism follow? Jesus? NOPE! Jesus never baptized with water. If you say Jesus was baptized with water, His were done by John, ALSO a MAN FILLED with the Holy Spirit. Where are the people that are filled with the Holy Spirit, that baptize with water today? Or is it merely sinner baptizing sinner in a river/swimpool/sea/dam?

That means NOTHING!

 

[livingepistle]

oh, so you meant tabernacle when you said "temple." Riiiiiight. LOL.

Tabernacle

Main Entry: tabernacle  [tab-er-nak-uhl] Show IPA
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: church
Synonyms: habitation, house of prayer, niche, reliquary, sanctuary, shelter, shrine, temple, tent

Temple
temple  [tem-puhl]

Part of Speech: noun
Definition: house of worship
Synonyms: cathedral, chapel, church, holy place, house, house of God, house of prayer, mosque, pagoda, pantheon, place of worship, sanctuary, shrine, synagogue, tabernacle

You still haven't answered the two questions.

 

[A-Omega]

Tabernacle

Main Entry: tabernacle  [tab-er-nak-uhl] Show IPA
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: church
Synonyms: habitation, house of prayer, niche, reliquary, sanctuary, shelter, shrine, temple, tent

Temple
temple  [tem-puhl]

Part of Speech: noun
Definition: house of worship
Synonyms: cathedral, chapel, church, holy place, house, house of God, house of prayer, mosque, pagoda, pantheon, place of worship, sanctuary, shrine, synagogue, tabernacle

You still haven't answered the two questions.

oh, so you meant tabernacle when you said "temple." Riiiiiight. LOL.

 

[jinx]

The COMMAND is 1. REPENT and 2. BE BAPTIZED.

Now Jinx did you repent? Yes? Then why do you still sin... You need to REPENT FIRST!!!! And then be baptized!!
Are you baptized? You were obedient, and still remain sinner? How can that be? I though the obedience is the NEW CREATURE?
God says the NEW CREATURE ... EVERYTHING IS MADE NEW? Yet the baptized Jinx and the Jinx before that baptism STILL DOES THE SAME SIN! Then God is a lier, or the waterbaptism had no RESULT! Junx still need to repent. BUT!!!!!! When I look at the BORN AGAIN... the GOD QUICKEN THE DEAD.... And I look at the DEAD OLD MAN THAT GOD FILLS WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, I see this..... 1 John 3:9... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

And I see this... Eph 4:... here is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

This ONE BAPTISM, is the baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT, performed by GOD HIMSELF. Water (H2O) HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.... HE SHALL BAPTIZE YOU WITH SPIRIT.... I will go to ANY BAPTISM JESUS PERFORMS, AND JESUS HAS NEVER PERFORMED A WATER BAPTISM.

I will ask again. Who's example does the person tht do the water baptism follow? Jesus? NOPE! Jesus never baptized with water. If you say Jesus was baptized with water, His were done by John, ALSO a MAN FILLED with the Holy Spirit. Where are the people that are filled with the Holy Spirit, that baptize with water today? Or is it merely sinner baptizing sinner in a river/swimpool/sea/dam?

That means NOTHING!

Yes I have repented and been baptized and received the infilling of the HOLY SPIRIT with evidence of speaking in other tongues as the SPIRIT gives the utterance, and when I sin against GOD I REPENT AGAIN!!!

When a person does something wrong against another person they apologize to them and try their best not to do that offence ever again. The same goes with GOD, we say our sorry's, and do our best not to do it ever again.

do we fail? YES we do. BUT by GOD's mercy HE forgives us -- over and over again -- every time we ask.

NOW. have you sinned at all against GOD and others, since you became born again?

 

[Cobus]

I am not fooling myself. I believe a BORN AGAIN is baptized by God to NEVER SIN AGAIN... When God bapptize a person with HIS SPIRIT, and a HEART OF FLESH, not a stony heart that sins, that person will be like this....

Eph 4:13... Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
1 John 3:9...Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18... We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Ezekiel 36:A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Mattew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

I am here with my FAITH and SALVATION in Christ Jesus.... And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

 

[jinx]

answer the question.

since you been born again, have you ever once sinned against anyone or GOD?

 

[Cobus]

Please look at this... What is this SEED God talks about, that makes a person SINLESS, or may I even say.... PERFECT?

1 John 3:9.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;

for his seed remaineth in him:

and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[jinx]

or are you PERFECT in everything you do, say, or even act on?

 

[jinx]

so you do believe your perfect.

LOOK OUT CC,
WE HAVE A PERFECT HUMAN BEING IN OUR MIST.

 

[Cobus]

I thought you could get the question from my answer... I DO NOT HAVE THE SEED OF GOD IN ME! I AM NOT BORN AGAIN/BORN OF GOD... I am repenting EVERY DAY!

I FOLLOW the Spirit, HE IS NOT IN ME YET! HE LEADS ME OUT OF SIN, MANY OF THE OLD COBUS HAS DIED, BUT NOT ALL YET.... PICK UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW... THAT IS WHERE I AM... AND SIN BY SIN WE TAKE IT ON, ME AND GOD's SPIRIT.

He LEADS before HE FILLS...

 

[jinx]

MY MY MY.

How can I possibly argue with a perfect person.

forgive me all mighty one.

(Cubus)

 

[Cobus]

so you do believe your perfect.

LOOK OUT CC,
WE HAVE A PERFECT HUMAN BEING IN OUR MIST.

Not YET, but AFTER the BAPTISM/BORN OF GOD I WILL BE... OR better put GOD IN ME WILL BE!!!And ME IN GOD! ANDIN HIM IS NO SIN!

 

[jinx]

so you just now didn't claim to be perfect?

what about post number 1087

I thought for-sure you called yourself perfect right there.

If you didn't, my bad.

but for future reference, make your point more clear so I don't make this mistake again.

 

[Cobus]

You do not argue with me, you argue with God's Word.

 

[jinx]

wait, now in 1092 your saying that once your born again you will be perfect.

no one is perfect, ONLY CHRIST.

 

[Cobus]

Cobus is NOT ONE OF THE WHOSOEVER YET. Jinx I am not BORN OF GOD, I STILL SIN.... Only the ones BORN OF GOD/REBORN/BORN AGAIN are the ones that CANNOT SIN....

I am NOT Born Again YET!

 

[Cobus]

Oh then God did not appoint people to PERFECT THE SAINTS? God says a saint is already without sin... YET they need to be perfected.... EPH 4... See your gospel does not stand TRUE to the WORD OF GOD...

Look here... And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Do you see a perfect man here? One that is made to the FULNESS OF CHRIST.

This is what God does with the BORN OF GOD...

 

[Cobus]

Every person God conformed to the IMAGE of HIS SON, cannot be anything BUT PERFECT! That is what God does to ALL HIS CHILDREN.... He makes them PERFECT MEN AND WOMEN.... That is what God does... that is why HE GAVE THE COMMAND... BE PERFECT... HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO TO THE ONES THAT LOVES HIM, BECAUSE HE LOVED THEM FIRST... That is why HE SENT HIS SON....

 

[jinx]

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John, the whole epistle talks about how to determine born again believers vs. sinners. and it says that if a person continuously lives a sinful life, they are not of GOD. But if a saint sins, they can come to GOD and HE shows them mercy....

1Jn_2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.



Remember John is writing this epistles to already born again believers....people that have followed the commandments of GOD to the best of their ability in order to live a good wholesome life before GOD.

 

[Cobus]

The Holy Spirit CANNOT SIN.... If God puts the Holy Spirit in a dog, that dog cannot sin, if God put His Spirit in John hte Baptist HE CANNOT SIN, If God puts HIS HOLY SPIRIT IN JESUS, HE CANNOT SIN.... If God PUT HIS HOLY SPIRIT IN JINX, SHE CANNOT SIN...

That seed that REMAINETH in JINX, will make jinx PERFECT! because that SEED IS OF GOD!!!! Jinx is DEAD TO THE FLESH... GONE PASSED AWAY.... As long as JINX is in the flesh she need SALVATION FROM THE FLESH... You need to die off THE FELSH... And once you died off ALL SIN, yuo died to the flesh... And God will put HIS SPIRIT IN THAT FLESH TO GIVE IT A HOLY LIFE.... And living WATERS will flow from that flesh.... LIVING WATERS!!!! Not this dirty water that comes from a body with NO HOLY SPIRIT IN IT, but a sinning human spirit....