Do Jews Have a Divine Right in the Promised Land?

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Faith come by hearing what? The word of God, right? Abraham had to have a right heart to have such faith.

I believe it is properly called a meek heart.

Not an idol worshipers heart.
Meekness is a fruit of the Spirit, something God works in us AFTER we are converted.
 
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Sorry, I left off gurus back in the '70's.

The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.
(1Ti 1:15)

For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
(1Co 15:9-10)

So anyways you can continue believing that God chooses us because He see a little bit of good (merit) in us. Yes, that is not your opinion but Jacob Arminius. All I ask is that you stop talking down to us as if you are some lofty spiritual intellectual. If you are I haven't seen it yet,
I don't think there is any use discussing scroipture with kardianoangeious. He is plainly not interested in understanding scripture, only in being right. He does not discuss, he accuses. Christians are humble before their God, and show love for each other. We are told in Isaiah to reason together, he isn't doing that. I think he should simply be ignored.
 
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I don't think there is any use discussing scroipture with kardianoangeious. He is plainly not interested in understanding scripture, only in being right. He does not discuss, he accuses. Christians are humble before their God, and show love for each other. We are told in Isaiah to reason together, he isn't doing that. I think he should simply be ignored.
The same holds true for you.

Neither of you obviously read your OT where it plainly says that he searches the earth for his meek to give them their reward the same as it says he searches to give the wicked the fruit of their ways.

Both of you are ministers of Satan masquerading as ministers of God. And god is soon going to stop you.
 
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You are a stubborn mule. God is going to visit you shortly. And it will not be to say hello.

Enjoyed conversing with you while it was yet possible.
He has already visited me, as a matter of fact His Spirit abides in me. Maybe someday He will visit you too.:)
 

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I don't think there is any use discussing scroipture with kardianoangeious. He is plainly not interested in understanding scripture, only in being right. He does not discuss, he accuses. Christians are humble before their God, and show love for each other. We are told in Isaiah to reason together, he isn't doing that. I think he should simply be ignored.
Yes, I was about to close the curtain on our dialogue but he turned off the lights.
 

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Mark the word that came through me as you will not be joking about it then.
Knock off your veiled threats and false prophecying...that only endangers you and it scares me not.

End of conversation with 'angelic heart'.
 
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This is before they even enter Christ:

Isaiah 61:1 "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound.."

Evidently it is just a sharpening of that meekness which happens afterward in Christ.
 
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Knock off your veiled threats and false prophecying...that only endangers you and it scares me not.
The word of God says what I said:

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

And that is coming to you in a very short number of days now.
 
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The answer is no. I rekon they can live there tho.
 
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God bless Jews

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Uncle Redtent, this is what I believe and I ONLY found it in the Bible...
1. Jesus stands on the mountain and says.... Jerusalem Jerusalem, if thou only believed it is I.... but since you do not, I will leave this house of yours in desolate, and you shall NOT SEE ME...UNTIL..... So it looks like Jesus is still going to do something for Jerusalem... Jesus WILL MAKE THEM SAY BLESSED IS HE... Just as God made Peter say... Thou art the Son of God...
2. It is said that we should not miss this MYTERY... That God will come and REMOVE THE BLINDNESS OF ISRAEL (Jacob), will that be the day when they say.... BLESSED IS HE... JESUS!...... But this will only happen AFTER the predestined number of Gentiles have entered into the ONE FLOCK that was made up of two groups and penfolds... Sheep flocks...

So I say scripture would be fulfilled... Jesus said that Jerusalem would be surrounded by enimies, and THEY SHALL NOT LEAVE ONE STONE UPN ANOTHER....

One thing I know is God's predictions are VERY ACCURATE,,, NOT ONE STONE WILL BE LEFT UPON ANOTHER... And there is still the moaning wall...


Also one old testament prophecy still has to expire... DAMASCUS MUST BE LEFT IN RUINS... and that started with Syria at war now! So the things are startin to happen, us Gentiles has to RUSH IN NOW!!!!! The NUMBER IS ALMOST FULL....
 
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well we should still support any state that respects human rights and democratic process...
If God believed in democracy MANY WOULD BE ON THE NARROW and FEW ON THE WIDE....
Here in South Africa Democracy turned the nation into EVIL. There were far less sin in the OLD South Africa than in the new one.

No nakedness on TV is one thing. No Gay stories on child tv is another.... ETC. ETC.
Oh and we did not give nobel prizes to forefather worshippers either.... Nope the morals are SICK now.... I think on sin acts we are persentage wise, three times more than ANY other nation... Thank you Democracy...God have mercy on us...
 
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Uncle Redtent, this is what I believe and I ONLY found it in the Bible...
1. Jesus stands on the mountain and says.... Jerusalem Jerusalem, if thou only believed it is I.... but since you do not, I will leave this house of yours in desolate, and you shall NOT SEE ME...UNTIL..... So it looks like Jesus is still going to do something for Jerusalem... Jesus WILL MAKE THEM SAY BLESSED IS HE... Just as God made Peter say... Thou art the Son of God...
2. It is said that we should not miss this MYTERY... That God will come and REMOVE THE BLINDNESS OF ISRAEL (Jacob), will that be the day when they say.... BLESSED IS HE... JESUS!...... But this will only happen AFTER the predestined number of Gentiles have entered into the ONE FLOCK that was made up of two groups and penfolds... Sheep flocks...

So I say scripture would be fulfilled... Jesus said that Jerusalem would be surrounded by enimies, and THEY SHALL NOT LEAVE ONE STONE UPN ANOTHER....

One thing I know is God's predictions are VERY ACCURATE,,, NOT ONE STONE WILL BE LEFT UPON ANOTHER... And there is still the moaning wall...


Also one old testament prophecy still has to expire... DAMASCUS MUST BE LEFT IN RUINS... and that started with Syria at war now! So the things are startin to happen, us Gentiles has to RUSH IN NOW!!!!! The NUMBER IS ALMOST FULL....
That has already been fulfilled.

He certainly did not mean that nation then as those people are dead and gone.

The attempt to get men to focus on this modern counterfeit Israel which has all it's trust in the God of man's military might is but a diversion by Satan.

Only some 20% of them even profess belief in God. Only 10% do so actively. The other 80% indulge the lusts of their flesh just as those do in the U.S.A. with every form of evil.
 
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=xuanvuive2013; ]God bless Jews
How brave of you to say so. God blessed them, too. They have been blinded to understanding their Savior, and even that, God says, was for our sakes. It is not popular to bless them, most would like to take on punishment of them for denying Christ instead of letting God do it.

When almost every gentile, most of Noah's descendants, forgot about Him and created their own Gods it was this race that God created from Abraham who carried God's word. Through them, we have the bible showing how God operates in the world and telling of Him. When they wouldn't accept Christ, God took leadership from them and gave it to gentiles, but it was still the Jews who kept worship of God alive in the world during times when gentiles didn't. During the middle ages when the common man would gladly murder them for not accepting Christ, they kept devotion to God visible in the world. They were hired to manage businesses because their devotion to God overflowed into honesty when gentiles couldn't be trusted. The orthodox live their walk when the gentile only use faith and believing in God, not walking the walk Even in their blindness, and not understanding how Christ changed the world they lead in other ways.

Many will express that they should not be allowed their homeland based on the they deny Christ. Now, most Jews are quite secular, God doesn't play a part in their lives. Many think we should join God in punishing them for that, too.
 

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Romans 11

I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in hisgoodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?All Israel Shall Be Saved25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
they abide not still in unbelief

John 3

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
The other week the Amidah was shared and how it seemed to resemble the Lord's Prayer.

If one reads the prayer is it not that the Messiah Yahshua fulfills the request?

If the right was Divine then no one could hinder this.

The Hebrews were only overcome in disobedience and unfaithfulness.

The Almighty God does not need to compromise with man over the settlement of the land.

All that is coming to pass is leading us to the Harvest.

I await the New Jerusalem where:

Revelation 21

Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away
my God for your Glory i share the above.
 
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The other week the Amidah was shared and how it seemed to resemble the Lord's Prayer.

If one reads the prayer is it not that the Messiah Yahshua fulfills the request?

If the right was Divine then no one could hinder this.

The Hebrews were only overcome in disobedience and unfaithfulness.

The Almighty God does not need to compromise with man over the settlement of the land.

All that is coming to pass is leading us to the Harvest.

I await the New Jerusalem where:

Revelation 21



my God for your Glory i share the above.

The harvest is now my friend. Lift up you heads and look upon the abundance of the Lord.