Do Jews Have a Divine Right in the Promised Land?

[kardiaoangelous]

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Another missed application. I did not say Thou fool as in no hope for him as that usage in the scripture you quote implies.

I did tell him honestly that according to the word itself God will deal with him shortly if he does not repent his stand, and that is because true love must be courageous to speak such truth for the sake of others, even knowing some will pervert their intent as something evil.

Anyone doing as he is doing is foolish, aka a fool, but not in the sense of Matthew 5:22.

But thank you for pointing that out as it gave many a chance to understand that.

That is what Jesus meant here: Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Strange how everyone claims they have special message from God that is 100% truth, It is also a punch below the belt. I have seen more than enough "debate" on these and other forums where both sides claim the same thing as you are claiming. Both can not be right, more like bother are just as wrong.

As I said, just look at the facts and examine what it says in Bible, it there, plain and simple and clear as day, dosnt need 20,000 words to explain either.

The vast difference my friend is that I speak it by enough actual scripture that it is the word of God actually saying it, and so to reject it is not to reject me but it is to reject caring enough to really look at what God said, or inspired the Bible writers to say.

If it were so plain and simple as you say there would not be ten thousand different views of it.

Look at the scriptures to see if what you are told is true because if you don't then you don't know that it is not actually the word of God you reject.

 

[secularhermit]

That's coming and happening!
Jesus said salvation comes fro0m that race and, Ha came from them and, any day, He will return for His chosen ones, according to OT and NT.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

there are both physical promises and spiritual promises given in scripture. the physical land of judea was promised to the physical 12 tribes of israel and is a seperate issue from the spiritual promises that were given

Only in a temporary sense in the world of that age. For the New earth to come was not as yet given to anyone until Christ.

You must discern these things but because you believe God gives his everlasting promise to unholy flesh you cannot see these things. And you do not even realize that your belief violates that very Law which God gave them.

In effect you make God a supporter of that which is unholy, a thing very offensive to him.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

That's coming and happening!
Jesus said salvation comes fro0m that race and, Ha came from them and, any day, He will return for His chosen ones, according to OT and NT.

Only a remnant and they have long been returning since Paul's day.

So don't hold your breath or you will suffocate.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

To be quite honest with you, but this is shear speculation, I think we have committed err in thinking the Catholic Church is the principal drunken whore of revelation chapter 17, 18, and 19.

I think that seat is occupied by the modern Jerusalem who like the old Jerusalem the scriptures likened to a female mother of children and also described her as a drunken whore who committed fornication with the nations. And her influence has come of her synagogue of Satan intertwining it's false ideas into all of Christendom where her children exist by that subtle influence. But that even includes the Catholic church as one of largest of her subtly corrupted children compatible to Samaria.

 

[doulos]

Another missed application. I did not say Thou fool as in no hope for him as that usage in the scripture you quote implies.

I did tell him honestly that according to the word itself God will deal with him shortly if he does not repent his stand, and that is because true love must be courageous to speak such truth for the sake of others, even knowing some will pervert their intent as something evil.

Anyone doing as he is doing is foolish, aka a fool, but not in the sense of Matthew 5:22.

But thank you for pointing that out as it gave many a chance to understand that.

That is what Jesus meant here: Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

The fact that you said “you” instead of thou makes no difference.

The word thou (pron.: /ðaʊ/ in most dialects) is a second person singular pronoun in English. It is now largely archaic, having been replaced in almost all contexts by you.
Thou - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The application was proper, but your private interpretation of Scripture is not.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

The fact that you said “you” instead of thou makes no difference.

The word thou (pron.: /ðaʊ/ in most dialects) is a second person singular pronoun in English. It is now largely archaic, having been replaced in almost all contexts by you.
Thou - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The application was proper, but your private interpretation of Scripture is not.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

You judge what you do not understand as you have not followed Christ's counsel at Matthew seven so as to even know what you are seeing.

Have a nice life. your argument is not worth continuing. Defend the purity of God's church as a whole. Hate the corruption of sound doctrines by perversions of truth as we are told to do. For we have been warned what will happen to us for corrupting the Temple of Christ's body.

And don't waste your energy straining for gnats.

 

[doulos]

You judge what you do not understand as you have not followed Christ's counsel at Matthew seven so as to even know what you are seeing.

Have a nice life. your argument is not worth continuing. Defend the purity of God's church as a whole. Hate the corruption of sound doctrines by perversions of truth as we are told to do. For we have been warned what will happen to us for corrupting the Temple of Christ's body.

And don't waste your energy straining for gnats.

Oh I understand just fine. You called someone a fool and I showed you that Scripture says we should not do this. Instead of accepting the fact that we should not call others fools, responding appropriately and moving on, you tried to defend your error and then went on to attack the messenger.

Pointing out the fact that Scripture says we should not call someone a fool is not judging them. Why would you hide behind Mat7 when someone is warning you that you are placing yourself in danger when you call others a fool?. Do you think it shows more love to stand by idly and watch while someone does something that places them “in danger of hell fire” then it does to warn them they are placing themselves in a dangerous position? Do you think warning someone that they are placing themselves in a dangerous position is the same as judging them?

As you are led friend, as you are led!

 

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by doulos

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Another missed application. I did not say Thou fool as in no hope for him as that usage in the scripture you quote implies.

I did tell him honestly that according to the word itself God will deal with him shortly if he does not repent his stand, and that is because true love must be courageous to speak such truth for the sake of others, even knowing some will pervert their intent as something evil.

Anyone doing as he is doing is foolish, aka a fool, but not in the sense of Matthew 5:22.

But thank you for pointing that out as it gave many a chance to understand that.

That is what Jesus meant here: Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

eish!!(an exclamation in our native tongue)......instead of trying to worm your way around your "slip-of-the-tongue" or finger.....why not just apologize for calling your brother a fool.....he is your brother in Christ even though he may differ in doctrine to yours.....don't you think?

 

[crossnote]

eish!!(an exclamation in our native tongue)......instead of trying to worm your way around your "slip-of-the-tongue" or finger.....why not just apologize for calling your brother a fool.....he is your brother in Christ even though he may differ in doctrine to yours.....don't you think?

His calling me a fool was little, it was his pretension of being a prophet and cursing me with a soon demise that should be taken up by the proper authorities. But, oh well.

 

[Graybeard]

You are a fool. And God is going to come to you shortly to end the reign of your lies.

The same holds true for you.

Neither of you obviously read your OT where it plainly says that he searches the earth for his meek to give them their reward the same as it says he searches to give the wicked the fruit of their ways.

Both of you are ministers of Satan masquerading as ministers of God. And god is soon going to stop you.

His calling me a fool was little, it was his pretension of being a prophet and cursing me with a soon demise that should be taken up by the proper authorities. But, oh well.

is that so kardiaoangelous?......are you prophesying this?...it would be good to make clear your intentions regarding your statements.
"ministers of Satan"...really??

 

[Abiding]

Is there such a thing as saying you dont agree?
without condemning them to the abyss?
How do you spell...overkill?

 

[Abiding]

 

[kardiaoangelous]

is that so kardiaoangelous?......are you prophesying this?...it would be good to make clear your intentions regarding your statements.
"ministers of Satan"...really??

Anyone, including myself, has that potential minister of Satan (angel of darkness masquerading as an angel of light) in them and it is also called, the man of sin, aka son of destruction (perdition), aka the fleshly man masquerading as the spiritual man.

And it is what it's reality is for anyone of us that keeps it living through ignorance, and to keep it alive means death to us.

It kills and destroys both the body of Christ in slow, subtle ways not so immediately apparent and is a sign of a walking dead fleshly person.

And these very ones are the ones that usually maintain the most appealingly kind words with which to conceal the poison their false doctrines carry.

Only the truth of God carries the spirit of life. A word not well derived of scripture and there for a subtle perversion of scripture masquerades as words of life when they are in fact that adder's poison.

So it would behoove you to deeply inspect the word to see if the truth spoken is truly validated by scripture or if it is a subtle perversion of the scriptures.

Which none of you can do if you have a way you prefer the truth of scripture to be speaking over merely desiring the full and correct understanding what is truly said.

Your focus on me is your way around doing that.

Have a nice life remembering what is ahead.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

eish!!(an exclamation in our native tongue)......instead of trying to worm your way around your "slip-of-the-tongue" or finger.....why not just apologize for calling your brother a fool.....he is your brother in Christ even though he may differ in doctrine to yours.....don't you think?

because he is what he is as he refuses to listen to God's word which is the act of a fool. And I am under no obligation to apologize for speaking the truth to anyone.

The concept of such false humility that apologizes for speaking truth is born of the adder the same as all other false doctrine and the demand of it by others is used as a way around having to listen to the spoken word of truth.

It is just one of many ways to call for the execution of God's true ministers with the symbolic axe, and part of the process of spilling righteous blood.

 

[GreatisHisGlory]

Before Israel ( its 2013 and its pretty pathetic, to still see people unaware who the true Israel of bloodline is) can return to Jerusalem God swore and overthrow of Edom in the land which may occur at WW3. God made a promise to Abraham to always bless his seed. Though they are cursed right now, live in the projects, kill each other everyday in gun violence. God made a promise he will redeem them and in these last days. The whole earth will see the redeeming of Israel.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Before Israel ( its 2013 and its pretty pathetic, to still see people unaware who the true Israel of bloodline is) can return to Jerusalem God swore and overthrow of Edom in the land which may occur at WW3. God made a promise to Abraham to always bless his seed. Though they are cursed right now, live in the projects, kill each other everyday in gun violence. God made a promise he will redeem them and in these last days. The whole earth will see the redeeming of Israel.

Romans 8:24 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?"

2 Corinthians 4:18 "While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."

 

[Bistabuster]

I have just read a report that says that it is prophesized that Jews will return to the promised land. I have talked with a couple who spent months working there at the organization that welcomes them. Most haven't a clue that they are fulfilling bible prophecy. For most, God does not play an important role in their life.

This report says that it is God's will that they return, and the devil is solidly against that return and is behind all working against that return. They say we are to let God take care of their disobedience, but still be on God's side so we help with that return. It also says that you can spot those on the devil's side and on God's side by how they stand on this issue. If they are for God's ways, they will support the Jews returning.

I read another report that said God is still working to punish Jews for their disobedience. God took away the leadership of the Christian church from them back in 70 when James, brother of Jesus and head of our church was killed and the Jewish people were almost wiped out by Rome. At that time gentiles were made head of the church, but that will end according to prophesy. Jews will again be made head of the church, but it isn't going to be done with a sword. We are not to work for that to happen, but let God take care of it. We are not to work for the return of the Jews to the promised land.

What do you think?

Nothing to think about. That has been fulfilled in 1967. Dan 12:1-9. The Jews have regained the promised land (Israel) and it can never be taken away from them again. I don't remember where that was said in the Bible.

 

[JaumeJ]

Yeshua said, when we see Jerusalem and the times of the gentiles fulfilled, we are to start watching. I have been since that time, but then right or wrong, it is good to be urgent in season and out, amen.