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I'm a bit doubting about this topic to be honest, so I'm going to ask a question so it will be more clear to me. It's not a trick question, nor am I implying you're wrong, but I just want to make it more clear for myself as well.
If God is truly omnipotent, omniscient etc. etc., wouldn't He had known Adam and Eve their sinful actions at the moment He decided to create them the way they were? Despite free will, God does know the future and He therefore must had known the consequences. In my logic (which of course is far from flawless) He must had known that, otherwise He isn't omnipotent and omniscient. Thus He created "mistakes" indirectly. Or am I seeing this completely wrong?
If God is truly omnipotent, omniscient etc. etc., wouldn't He had known Adam and Eve their sinful actions at the moment He decided to create them the way they were? Despite free will, God does know the future and He therefore must had known the consequences. In my logic (which of course is far from flawless) He must had known that, otherwise He isn't omnipotent and omniscient. Thus He created "mistakes" indirectly. Or am I seeing this completely wrong?
The only way God "creates" evil is by His absence. It is only in His absence that evil can grow. And I'm not convinced sexuality isn't ingrained, I know several people who struggle with it every single day even tho they loathe it. Feeling the urge to do something isn't sin, but giving into it is. As we seek God and are purified these urges should be reduced, but as long as we are in this flesh we will be tempted by it. Stand fast in God and you WILL be rewarded.
If you assume God makes mistakes, you're implying He isn't perfect. Since you're implying He isn't perfect, you're implying that he is only Human without deity. Sorry, but Jesus never made mistakes on earth either. That's the only way he would be accepted as the most flawless and perfect sacrifice. I will not accept what you say and I am sure the majority of the people on here would agree with me.
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I never said anything was anyone else's fault; not my choices. And I never tied my orientation to my childhood sexual experiences. I believe I was homo before I was exposed to it. I know people who were molested by the same sex for consecutive years and never was attracted to the same sex. Just the same, I know of a man who was sexually abused by women but never wanted to be with a man, and actually hates homosexuality (You'd think he would have something against women because of his early introduction to hetero sex). So, I don't even think early experiences have that much to do with a person's choice of orientation. Look at the guys I mentioned who I experimented with. They don't identify has gay or even bisexual, but I do.
I am convinced orientation is inherent. As I said, I don't HAVE to act on it to BE it. And sex is still not innocent to me, whether I act on it or not. Sexuality is very much tied to the EGO...study it...which is why I don't and have never seen it as being pure and innocent. Why do you think people get so angry over this subject? It's because when you bring of the issue of sex you're pretty much asking for a battle of the egos!
I am convinced orientation is inherent. As I said, I don't HAVE to act on it to BE it. And sex is still not innocent to me, whether I act on it or not. Sexuality is very much tied to the EGO...study it...which is why I don't and have never seen it as being pure and innocent. Why do you think people get so angry over this subject? It's because when you bring of the issue of sex you're pretty much asking for a battle of the egos!
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EXACTLY!
The bible states that the "plan of redemption" was already made before anything or anybody was created. This obviously means that God already knew the "mistakes" and the "free will" choices that were going to be made. God wrote the script to the play before he casted the characters. He knew the end FROM the beginning. To say that any of this is untrue is to contradict... "insult" the very bible that one is preaching from.
The bible states that the "plan of redemption" was already made before anything or anybody was created. This obviously means that God already knew the "mistakes" and the "free will" choices that were going to be made. God wrote the script to the play before he casted the characters. He knew the end FROM the beginning. To say that any of this is untrue is to contradict... "insult" the very bible that one is preaching from.
There certainly are differences that our bodies have in the hormones it creates that has to do with our thought patterns. There is also evidence that our thought patterns produce hormones that perpetuate those patterns. When we have an illness that out of balance hormones produces, then we can take medication for it. Testosterone and estrogen have to do with our sexual being.
Everyone seems to have the idea that what we think is something that just happens, we have absolutely no control of it. That is not so. Have you ever made yourself conscious of the flow of thoughts that we constantly have?
When I was a baby things happened that meant that I went from one unloving home to another. My baby reaction was that I was unacceptable to cause this. I found out what caused it when I was 21. I realized that things happen, you make the best of it, who I was and what I did didn't cause it. I learned this, but my thought patterns were so ingrained I still looked for what I did to cause anything I didn't like. One day it was raining. I had learned to be aware of my thoughts. I found myself wondering what I did wrong to make it rain! Ridiculous thought. Old thought patterns. I went to work on myself, even learning about how the subconscious learns and how to repair it. I changed my thought pattern. It can be done.
Everyone seems to have the idea that what we think is something that just happens, we have absolutely no control of it. That is not so. Have you ever made yourself conscious of the flow of thoughts that we constantly have?
When I was a baby things happened that meant that I went from one unloving home to another. My baby reaction was that I was unacceptable to cause this. I found out what caused it when I was 21. I realized that things happen, you make the best of it, who I was and what I did didn't cause it. I learned this, but my thought patterns were so ingrained I still looked for what I did to cause anything I didn't like. One day it was raining. I had learned to be aware of my thoughts. I found myself wondering what I did wrong to make it rain! Ridiculous thought. Old thought patterns. I went to work on myself, even learning about how the subconscious learns and how to repair it. I changed my thought pattern. It can be done.
I chose to be straight when I was 20 after I grew closer to Christ 
In order for that to be so that would mean everyone has
homosexual tendencies. Why would anyone choose to be gay?
That means they are choosing to be ridiculed, not viewed as
equal, and discriminated against. Well, at least in the US.
Okay, let's diffuse the situation a little bit and talk about a similar, non-sexual subject.
I don't believe cutters choose to want to cut themselves. It scars their bodies, often causes them to be bullied, and is a subject of shame for many of them.
Many of the cutters I have known have parents who don't seem to care about them. I believe this is the root cause for many of them. So they didn't choose to want to cut themselves, it was a product of their upbringing. (The whole nature vs. nurture debate) However, when they want to stop cutting themselves, and often this involves an inner healing process, they have the power to stop cutting. Because they still choose to cut themselves, they can and do cease.
The same can be said for anorexic/bulimic folks as well.
I hate arguments like this. You know why?
Because it leaves those who have the will to choose feeling powerless.
That's just where they are and there's no use changing because they were born that way.
And plus, it makes all the people who don't support the gay lifestyle 'haters.' Which for some people, they might be 'haters.' But I can tell you right now, there's not as many out there as you think there are. Being a hater's about as over-generalized as ADD is being over-diagnosed (and everyone knows it is for both cases).
Because it leaves those who have the will to choose feeling powerless.
That's just where they are and there's no use changing because they were born that way.
And plus, it makes all the people who don't support the gay lifestyle 'haters.' Which for some people, they might be 'haters.' But I can tell you right now, there's not as many out there as you think there are. Being a hater's about as over-generalized as ADD is being over-diagnosed (and everyone knows it is for both cases).
your comparing apples and oranges. Abortion is a choice its either you have one or you dont. They are saying homosexuality is genetic, you cant choose it anymore than you ca choose what color hair you are born. sue later on you can choose to try something different, but the roots will show eventually.
Sexuality isn't a choice. For this to be true that means every straight person CHOSE to be straight.
This would mean that you and I and everyone else were all born with homosexual tendencies.
Once you ask "When did you choose to be straight?" The usual answer is "Well.....I guess I didn't."
Then follow up with "Do you think it could be the same for gay people?" "Well....I guess so."
The whole being gay is a choice argument falls apart.
This would mean that you and I and everyone else were all born with homosexual tendencies.
Once you ask "When did you choose to be straight?" The usual answer is "Well.....I guess I didn't."
Then follow up with "Do you think it could be the same for gay people?" "Well....I guess so."
The whole being gay is a choice argument falls apart.