New "Islam-Friendly" Bible PerVersion!
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don't think God's Word should be blunted to make it more acceptable to those from other religions but I don't feel like watching a 45 minute video to find out the answer. Would it really hurt people to just answer this simple question in a few words?
What translation of the Bible is Islam-friendly and therefore non-biblical?
XYZ translation.
Thanks.
What translation of the Bible is Islam-friendly and therefore non-biblical?
XYZ translation.
Thanks.
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If I recall correctly they worded it so that it doesn't say jesus is the son of God. Because to a muslim saying that God has a son means saying God had sex and that is blasphemy. They had many meetings over this and it caused a big riff. My parents left wycliffe over this and several other things after working there for about 6 years or so.
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(Rev 22:18-19)
In the light of the above verse how did they handle...
And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
(Rev 2:18)
Since, hey after all, God cannot have a Son.
I wonder how the translators will face the Judgement?
(Rev 22:18-19)
In the light of the above verse how did they handle...
And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
(Rev 2:18)
Since, hey after all, God cannot have a Son.
I wonder how the translators will face the Judgement?
I see what appears to be Rick Warren in the picture there. I heard a preacher lambast Rick Warren for joining 'Chrislam' but read the website and it was about a group of people having a 'dialogue.' I didn't find any major thing over which to condemn Rick Warren, personally.
I haven't watched the whole video-- man, over 40 minutes? Couldn't someone link to a one-page article.
I am all for presenting the truth in Bible translations. I am not sold on one manuscript tradition or the other. I don't think people who read the NIV are all going to Hell. I've known a number of Wycliffe people, though, and it does seem like some of them have lose ideas about translating-- translating from the NIV for example, into the target language, using other study tools. They are trying to get the word out there, but sometimes it sounds like they aren't that rigorous. But they also have some very well studied people in Linguistics and languages. People have different qualifications. It's tough, though, if you've got just a few people in the outside world who can translate the Bible into the target language. They don't know Greek and Hebrew, and they just use what tools they have.
As far as translations that are 'friendly' to Muslims, there may be some truth to that idea. I know of some people doing church planting in their home countries that like to use language familiar and friendly to Muslims. For example, using Ibrahim insead of some other pronunciation of Abraham that was filtered through a few different languages. I'm a little uncertain about 'Isa for Yeshua, though, since that also means Esau. I've read there was another Arabic way of saying it that is supposed to be more authentic to the Hebrew. That's an incredibly important name. I'm thinking of just using "Yeshua" if I'm in that situation. But I'm find with Arabic-derived pronunciations of other names, which are often more similar to the Hebrew than English names of Biblical characters.
As far as I know from what I've read, it is likely that Allah is cognate with the Hebrew word Eloah, but with a definite article thrown on and contracted. Allah is believed to be a contracted form of Al illah. Illah is congnate with Eloah. Elohim is the plural of Hebrew Eloah. From what I've read, what meager evidence there is seems to indicate that Christians might have called God "Allah" in Arabic before Muhammad, but evidence is scant indeed (names of Christians.) The word may have also been used for a moon deity. But Canaanites used the word "el" to refer to false deities, even as the personal name of a deity that did not resemble our Creator, the head of the pagan pantheon in an early stage of Canaanite religion.
There are millions of Christians who don't use especially Islamic language whose Bibles use "Allah" for God. Arabs, Maltese, Indonesians, and maybe some others.
I don't know if their translations leave out 'Father' and 'Son.' I did have a conversation with an Arabic-speaker who was a fairly new convert, but interested in a very contextual approach to presenting the faith. He said the Muhammadan confession that Allah has no son. He said the word for son is a very biological term, so he suggested translated the word son with a different word 'walad.'
I haven't watched the whole video-- man, over 40 minutes? Couldn't someone link to a one-page article.
I am all for presenting the truth in Bible translations. I am not sold on one manuscript tradition or the other. I don't think people who read the NIV are all going to Hell. I've known a number of Wycliffe people, though, and it does seem like some of them have lose ideas about translating-- translating from the NIV for example, into the target language, using other study tools. They are trying to get the word out there, but sometimes it sounds like they aren't that rigorous. But they also have some very well studied people in Linguistics and languages. People have different qualifications. It's tough, though, if you've got just a few people in the outside world who can translate the Bible into the target language. They don't know Greek and Hebrew, and they just use what tools they have.
As far as translations that are 'friendly' to Muslims, there may be some truth to that idea. I know of some people doing church planting in their home countries that like to use language familiar and friendly to Muslims. For example, using Ibrahim insead of some other pronunciation of Abraham that was filtered through a few different languages. I'm a little uncertain about 'Isa for Yeshua, though, since that also means Esau. I've read there was another Arabic way of saying it that is supposed to be more authentic to the Hebrew. That's an incredibly important name. I'm thinking of just using "Yeshua" if I'm in that situation. But I'm find with Arabic-derived pronunciations of other names, which are often more similar to the Hebrew than English names of Biblical characters.
As far as I know from what I've read, it is likely that Allah is cognate with the Hebrew word Eloah, but with a definite article thrown on and contracted. Allah is believed to be a contracted form of Al illah. Illah is congnate with Eloah. Elohim is the plural of Hebrew Eloah. From what I've read, what meager evidence there is seems to indicate that Christians might have called God "Allah" in Arabic before Muhammad, but evidence is scant indeed (names of Christians.) The word may have also been used for a moon deity. But Canaanites used the word "el" to refer to false deities, even as the personal name of a deity that did not resemble our Creator, the head of the pagan pantheon in an early stage of Canaanite religion.
There are millions of Christians who don't use especially Islamic language whose Bibles use "Allah" for God. Arabs, Maltese, Indonesians, and maybe some others.
I don't know if their translations leave out 'Father' and 'Son.' I did have a conversation with an Arabic-speaker who was a fairly new convert, but interested in a very contextual approach to presenting the faith. He said the Muhammadan confession that Allah has no son. He said the word for son is a very biological term, so he suggested translated the word son with a different word 'walad.'
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Loving people of other faiths, reaching out to them and treating them with compassion, does not mean we are to change what we believe, so our faith is more palatable to them and we please the masses with false unity. Especially, when the 'God' of the Quran is not the same as the almighty creator God of the Bible. Lastly...Jesus is Gods only begotten Son. He died for us on the cross. Thats the truth. Sadly, Muslims do not believe this so how can we unify over our faiths when at the very core, we do not share the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ? It's not about being popular, it's about simply standing for the Truth...which by its very nature, will not compramise or unify. God does indeed say there will be a 'one world religion' promoted and esteemed by 'the world' but that we are not to be part of this, simply because it is not of Him. God Bless, <><