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Gal 2:20-21 I am crucified with Christ nevertheless I live yet not I but Christ liveth in me...
Romans 6:11 reckon yourselves indeed dead to sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
I judge not but God has written John 3:18 He that believeth on Him (Christ) is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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[SUP] [/SUP]And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
 

notuptome

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If God is not a respecter of persons, then you will most assuredly end up where all will go, correct?
All those who have trusted Christ to save them from their sins. I'm saved by grace and of any merit of my own. Not going with those who deny Christ. God desires mercy not judgment. Gods righteousness demands satisfaction in judgment upon sin, all sin. Christ atoned for sin to the full satisfaction of the Father. Isa 53 All we can do is allow Him to save us.
Why do you resist Him?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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The evil of men does not diminish the goodness of God. Condemnation on a full stomach is no better than starvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
So since they reject Christ, you do not give a damn. I understand and see the love of Christ in you......
 

ChosenbyHim

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SCREW history! This is one of our biggest problems, that TODAY continues to be influence by YESTERDAY! We burned women for being witches too.

God is not a Christian either sir. Now again I say that by DEATH, Mohammad is with Christ. So is it with us all as we too must crucify the flesh.
Justamazed, Mohammad is NOT with Christ. Mohammad was a Christ rejector who was counting on his own self righteousness and dead works to save him.

Mohammed is in Hell right now.

And you know what's interesting about all the religions of the world? All of the religions of the world do not give their followers any assurance of making it to Heaven. Now when I say religions, obviously Christianity is not included because Christianity is Not a religion. Biblical Christianity is a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. And it is a way of life that is submitted to the word of God. Therefore, it is a way f life that is pleasing to God the Father.

Also are you aware that Mohammad was not ever sure whether or not he would be in Heaven? Let me share something with you straight out of the Quran, that shows that Mohammed himself was not sure about his eternal state:

Or do they say, 'He has forged it'? Say: 'If I have forged it, you have no power to help me against Allah. He knows very well what you are pressing upon; He suffices as a witness between me and you; He is the All-forgiving, the All-compassionate.' Say: 'I am not an innovation among the Messengers, and I know not what shall be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me; I am only a clear warner.' - Surah 46:8-9 Meccan

Now I shared that quote from Mohammed to make a point about all the religions of the world. And that is that they believe they have to do something to obtain salvation. They believe their good works have a part in their salvation. To a Muslim, he has no assurance whatsoever of salvation in this life. It is a constant fear of not being good enough. The Muslim lives a life of constant doubt and uncertainty as to whether or not he will make it in Heaven when he dies. To show further more that Islam is a false religion that is all about works based salvation, I am going to show you another passage from the Quran where it shows that on the day of Judgment, all Muslims will stand before Allah while having their good and bad deeds weighed on a scale or balance to determine whether or not they will be sent into paradise or condemned into hell. Here is proof right from their Quran:

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[TD]The (Day) of Noise and Clamour.[/TD]
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[TD]AlqariAAatu[/TD]
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[TD]What is the (Day) of Noise and Clamour?[/TD]
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[TD]Ma alqariAAatu[/TD]
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[TD]And what will explain to thee what the (Day) of Noise and Clamour is?[/TD]
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[TD]Wama adraka ma alqariAAatu[/TD]
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[TD](It is) a Day whereon men will be like moths scattered about,[/TD]
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[TD]Yawma yakoonu alnnasu kaalfarashialmabthoothi[/TD]
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[TD="width: 35"]101:5[/TD]
[TD]And the mountains will be like carded wool.[/TD]
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[TD]Watakoonu aljibalu kaalAAihnialmanfooshi[/TD]
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[TD="width: 35"]101:6[/TD]
[TD]Then, he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) heavy,[/TD]
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[TD]Faamma man thaqulat mawazeenuhu[/TD]
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[TD]Will be in a life of good pleasure and satisfaction.[/TD]
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[TD]Fahuwa fee AAeeshatin radiyatin[/TD]
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[TD="width: 35"]101:8[/TD]
[TD]But he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) light,-[/TD]
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[TD]Waamma man khaffat mawazeenuhu[/TD]
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[TD="width: 35"]101:9[/TD]
[TD]Will have his home in a (bottomless) Pit.[/TD]
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[TD]Faommuhu hawiyatun[/TD]
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[TD="width: 35"]101:10[/TD]
[TD]And what will explain to thee what this is?[/TD]
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[TD]Wama adraka ma hiyah[/TD]
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[TD="width: 35"]101:11[/TD]
[TD](It is) a Fire Blazing fiercely![/TD]
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[TD]Narun hamiyatun[/TD]
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And that passage there was Surah 101 out of the Quran. So basically, for a Muslim, they have to have enough good works to exceed and outweigh the bad works which they have done in this life.

See? Again, to them it is all about their works and their good deeds in this life. That is one of the ways you can tell that Islam is just another false religion. And by the way, did you know that Islam was created by the Roman Catholic church and the Vatican? That how Islam got its start.

I recommend purchasing the book: "The Prophet" by Jack T. Chick. In this book, Alberto Rivera who was a former Jesuit priest, talks about some of the secrets he learned in secret meetings and briefings in the Vatican, while he was a Jesuit priest under oath and induction.

Now I also make it very clear that that passage out of the Quran about the Day of Judgment is TOTALLY FALSE. That is not what the Day of Judgment is going to be like.

Let me now share with you a passage from the Holy Bible which vividly shows what truly will take place in the Day of Judgment when God will settle all accounts with the wicked:


11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. - Revelation 20:11-15(King James Bible)

That is what will take place in the Day of Judgment Now from reading that passage we know that men's works will indeed be judged but it will not be to determine whether they are going to Hell or not. And their good works and bad works will certainly not be weighed on a scale. The fate of the Damned is already sealed. It is too late for them. There is absolutely no hope for them.

The purpose of the Great White Throne Judgment is to determine the level and degree of punishment that each lost sinner will suffer in the Lake of Fire. And another reason for this Judgment is to show the lost sinner why he is being cast into the Lake of Fire for all Eternity.

God's standard is perfect. God holds us to a perfect standard and that perfect standard is His Son Jesus Christ. That is why you must accept Him as your Lord and Saviour for salvation.

If a Muslim wants to be saved, he or she must accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour. They must trust in Christ to save them.

Allah is just a false moon god. Allah cannot save anybody. Just like Buddha and Hare Krishna cannot save anybody.

You need Christ's imputed righteousness to save you from the wrath that is to come. Only the Lord Jesus Christ can save you.

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6 (King James Bible)

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. -John 3:36 (King James Bible)
 
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Justamazed, Mohammad is NOT with Christ. Mohammad was a Christ rejector who was counting on his own self righteousness and dead works to save him.

Mohammed is in Hell right now.

And you know what's interesting about all the religions of the world? All of the religions of the world do not give their followers any assurance of making it to Heaven. Now when I say religions, obviously Christianity is not included because Christianity is Not a religion. Biblical Christianity is a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. And it is a way of life that is submitted to the word of God. Therefore, it is a way f life that is pleasing to God the Father.

Also are you aware that Mohammad was not ever sure whether or not he would be in Heaven? Let me share something with you straight out of the Quran, that shows that Mohammed himself was not sure about his eternal state:

Or do they say, 'He has forged it'? Say: 'If I have forged it, you have no power to help me against Allah. He knows very well what you are pressing upon; He suffices as a witness between me and you; He is the All-forgiving, the All-compassionate.' Say: 'I am not an innovation among the Messengers, and I know not what shall be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me; I am only a clear warner.' - Surah 46:8-9 Meccan

Now I shared that quote from Mohammed to make a point about all the religions of the world. And that is that they believe they have to do something to obtain salvation. They believe their good works have a part in their salvation. To a Muslim, he has no assurance whatsoever of salvation in this life. It is a constant fear of not being good enough. The Muslim lives a life of constant doubt and uncertainty as to whether or not he will make it in Heaven when he dies. To show further more that Islam is a false religion that is all about works based salvation, I am going to show you another passage from the Quran where it shows that on the day of Judgment, all Muslims will stand before Allah while having their good and bad deeds weighed on a scale or balance to determine whether or not they will be sent into paradise or condemned into hell. Here is proof right from their Quran:

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[TD]The (Day) of Noise and Clamour.
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[TD]AlqariAAatu
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[TD="width: 35"]101:2
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[TD]What is the (Day) of Noise and Clamour?
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[TD]Ma alqariAAatu
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[TD="width: 35"]101:3
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[TD]And what will explain to thee what the (Day) of Noise and Clamour is?
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[TD][/TD]
[TD]Wama adraka ma alqariAAatu
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[TD="width: 35"]101:4
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[TD](It is) a Day whereon men will be like moths scattered about,
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[TD]Yawma yakoonu alnnasu kaalfarashialmabthoothi
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[TD="width: 35"]101:5
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[TD]And the mountains will be like carded wool.
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[TD]Watakoonu aljibalu kaalAAihnialmanfooshi
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[TD="width: 35"]101:6
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[TD]Then, he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) heavy,
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[TD]Faamma man thaqulat mawazeenuhu
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[TD="width: 35"]101:7
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[TD]Will be in a life of good pleasure and satisfaction.
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[TD]Fahuwa fee AAeeshatin radiyatin
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[TD="width: 35"]101:8
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[TD]But he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) light,-
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[TD]Waamma man khaffat mawazeenuhu
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[TD="width: 35"]101:9
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[TD]Will have his home in a (bottomless) Pit.
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[TD]Faommuhu hawiyatun
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[TD="width: 35"]101:10
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[TD]And what will explain to thee what this is?
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[TD]Wama adraka ma hiyah
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[TD="width: 35"]101:11
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[TD](It is) a Fire Blazing fiercely!
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[TD]Narun hamiyatun
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And that passage there was Surah 101 out of the Quran. So basically, for a Muslim, they have to have enough good works to exceed and outweigh the bad works which they have done in this life.

See? Again, to them it is all about their works and their good deeds in this life. That is one of the ways you can tell that Islam is just another false religion. And by the way, did you know that Islam was created by the Roman Catholic church and the Vatican? That how Islam got its start.

I recommend purchasing the book: "The Prophet" by Jack T. Chick. In this book, Alberto Rivera who was a former Jesuit priest, talks about some of the secrets he learned in secret meetings and briefings in the Vatican, while he was a Jesuit priest under oath and induction.

Now I also make it very clear that that passage out of the Quran about the Day of Judgment is TOTALLY FALSE. That is not what the Day of Judgment is going to be like.

Let me now share with you a passage from the Holy Bible which vividly shows what truly will take place in the Day of Judgment when God will settle all accounts with the wicked:


11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. - Revelation 20:11-15(King James Bible)

That is what will take place in the Day of Judgment Now from reading that passage we know that men's works will indeed be judged but it will not be to determine whether they are going to Hell or not. And their good works and bad works will certainly not be weighed on a scale. The fate of the Damned is already sealed. It is too late for them. There is absolutely no hope for them.

The purpose of the Great White Throne Judgment is to determine the level and degree of punishment that each lost sinner will suffer in the Lake of Fire. And another reason for this Judgment is to show the lost sinner why he is being cast into the Lake of Fire for all Eternity.

God's standard is perfect. God holds us to a perfect standard and that perfect standard is His Son Jesus Christ. That is why you must accept Him as your Lord and Saviour for salvation.

If a Muslim wants to be saved, he or she must accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour. They must trust in Christ to save them.

Allah is just a false moon god. Allah cannot save anybody. Just like Buddha and Hare Krishna cannot save anybody.

You need Christ's imputed righteousness to save you from the wrath that is to come. Only the Lord Jesus Christ can save you.

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6 (King James Bible)

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. -John 3:36 (King James Bible)
1 Corinthians 5:10

[SUP]10[/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

You are correct. No other god can save, but who pulls from the pit? When all else has failed and Mohammad's soul cried to the One who can save Him, He was exceedingly abundant in mercy to answer when no other god did!
 

notuptome

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So since they reject Christ, you do not give a damn. I understand and see the love of Christ in you......
Feed them with the Bread of Life and they will hunger no more. Just because I will not allow you to deflect the true need of every soul with the emotional plea about those who suffer the indignity of man's inhumanity to man do not endeavor to say I do not love or have compassion on those less fortunate. You have no way of knowing what I do apart from this site.
Africa had the gospel long before the Western world. Don't blame me for their apostasy. Sorry I forgot you don't care about history. You prefer to write your own version. A history wholly without facts.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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You are correct. No other god can save, but who pulls from the pit? When all else has failed and Mohammad's soul cried to the One who can save Him, He was exceedingly abundant in mercy to answer when no other god did!
Wow!!!!

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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I don't know if their translations leave out 'Father' and 'Son.' I did have a conversation with an Arabic-speaker who was a fairly new convert, but interested in a very contextual approach to presenting the faith. He said the Muhammadan confession that Allah has no son. He said the word for son is a very biological term, so he suggested translated the word son with a different word 'walad.'
The word 'walad' means son in Arabic to begin with!
 
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Scary stuff, here is a smaller video which is closely related to this, Chrislam...
[video=youtube;iiMYRzFR2ZM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiMYRzFR2ZM[/video]
People are once again confusing their terms and failing to study scripture.
 

crossnote

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Is that what you tell your wife or girlfriend? Or are disputes handled in love regardless of who is wrong or right?
Aww,she's always right,so there's no issue there. :)
 

ChosenbyHim

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SCREW history! This is one of our biggest problems, that TODAY continues to be influence by YESTERDAY! We burned women for being witches too.

God is not a Christian either sir. Now again I say that by DEATH, Mohammad is with Christ. So is it with us all as we too must crucify the flesh.
I just want to make on final point though justamazed, and I meant to include it in my last post, but this is what should be understood.

Biblical Christianity is the only faith that gives the believer assurance of salvation. In other words, a true Born again Christian can know for certain that when he dies he will be in Heaven with the Lord.

You see in Biblical Christianity, we don't do anything to get saved. The work and atoning payment has already been made for us at Calvary. All we have to do is repent and simply believe on God's Son Jesus Christ for our salvation.

Religions emphasize you got to do this, and you have to do that to get right with God. While Biblical Christianity emphasizes that it is already done, just believe.

Another reason why a Christian can have absolute assurance of his salvation is because salvation is a free gift. Our works have not part in our salvation at all. Now we are to do works AFTER we get saved, for we as Christians will all have to stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ to have our works judged. But when it comes to obtaining salvation, that salvation comes by simply accepting the Lord Jesus Christ and His atoning sacrifice on the cross for your sins.

When you accept Jesus Christ, your sins get imputed onto him and His Righteousness gets imputed onto you.




4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. - Romans 4:4-25 (King James Bible)




Now let show you from the Scriptures that a Christian can and should have total assurance of his eternal state. That he should be 100% confident that when he dies, he will be with the Lord in Heaven.



11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us. - 2 Timothy 1:11-14 (King James Bible)





33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:33-39 (King James Bible)






7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. - 1 John 5:7-15 (King James Bible)






5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. - 2 Corinthians 5:5-11 (King James Bible)



So unlike a Roman Catholic, or an Orthodox Jew, Or a Greek Orthodox, or a Muslim, or a Hindu, or a Buddhist, or a Tibetan Monk, or a Swami, a Christian is the only one who has total assurance of his salvation. He has Biblical Assurance that he can confidently know that when he dies, that he will be with the Lord. He will be certain and confident about his eternal state and condition before a Holy God just like Paul was (2 Tim. 1:12), and like John was (1 John 5:13).


Christians can also be sure that they are eternally secure in Christ (See Eph. 1:13 and Eph. 4:30). Because Born again Christians are sealed by the Holy Ghost in the Church Age, they cannot lose their salvation. Again, our salvation is not by our works of righteousness, but it is by the mercy of God.


4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. - Titus 3:4-7 (King James Bible)




4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. - Ephesians 2:4-22 (King James Bible)

 

Drett

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Allah was a tribal moon god of the Arabs. Mohammed adopted Allah for his new religion. Mohammed was thought to be possessed as he likely had epilepsy.
Allah is not the God of the bible. The description of allah in the Islamic religion is quite different from the bibles definition of Jehovah God.
By the way there are many religions who have different gods some have many gods are they just different names for the God Who is God?

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Roger
I always find at least one that goes down the moon god route.

Allah is just the Arabic word for God. It is not a name. We prefer to use that term because the word god has many meanings and can have a gender. The word Allah refers to God alone. The word Allah is found in the Persian bible. So when you are saying Allah was a tribal moon god you are telling the Persians the God in their bible was a tribal moon god. It is a rather dangerous statement to make. Best be like the brave men and not thread that path. ;)
 

Drett

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I think it is a dangerous mindset to feel you are allowed to change the word of God as the circumstances demand or to fit in with a group. I would be worried if this has already happened in the past.
 
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To show further more that Islam is a false religion that is all about works based salvation, I am going to show you another passage from the Quran where it shows that on the day of Judgment, all Muslims will stand before Allah while having their good and bad deeds weighed on a scale or balance to determine whether or not they will be sent into paradise or condemned into hell. Here is proof right from their Quran:

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[TD]The (Day) of Noise and Clamour.
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[TD]Ma alqariAAatu
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[TD]And what will explain to thee what the (Day) of Noise and Clamour is?
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[TD]Wama adraka ma alqariAAatu
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[TD](It is) a Day whereon men will be like moths scattered about,
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[TD]And the mountains will be like carded wool.
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And that passage there was Surah 101 out of the Quran. So basically, for a Muslim, they have to have enough good works to exceed and outweigh the bad works which they have done in this life.


Sura101


القارعة

“AlqariAAatu”

“The Resurrection Day”

(Named in honor of the Biblical First Resurrection)




Sura 101 is taken entirely from the Biblical Book of Revelation. It paraphrases material thatrevolves completely around the Second Coming of Jesus Christ on Judgment Day,Resurrection Day.

Sura 101 asks two similar-type questions, both with answers that revolve around the demonic locusts (i.e. the fallen angels) as revealed to us in the Book of Revelation.

The questions are posed to John.

The answers come from Jesus Christ as He opens the seven seals as revealed to us in the Book of Revelation.







Summary:


101.1 The Resurrection Day. (Announces the First Resurrection)

101.2 What is The Resurrection Day? (Asks the 1st Question)

101.3 And who told you what the Resurrection Day is? (1st Question posed to John)

101.4 A day the people (are) like the locusts, the scattered. (1st Question answered)

101.5 And she certainly shall be the calamity like the wool, the carded one. (The destruction of Babylonthe Great)

101.6 So as who hisportion became heavy. (Jesus’ Elect)

101.7 So he is inblissful life. (The First Resurrection in which Jesus’ Elect reside in Paradise with Him)

101.8 And but who soever she becomes light in his due portion. (The non-Elect)

101.9 So his origin;(the) coiled form of a serpent. (The non-Elect suffer the Second death and reside with Satan)

101.10 And who told you what that is? (2nd Question posedto John)

101.11 A company of fire. (2nd question answered; The Second Death)

 
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My prayer for today is that Christians would take the time to study the Koran in the same manner in which they study the Holy Bible.

The Koran was COPIED from the Holy Bible in the first place, people!

Once this is comprehended, then we can be confident that the Holy Bible is required to correct and clarify the Koran in ALL manner of things....including BOGUS modern renderings which people take to be counter to the Holy Bible.

Islam is merely an ancient Christian cult.
 

willfollowsGod

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Again, this sad lie about Islam being an ancient Christian cult. It is not. As for the moon god thing, I don't know enough but there is evidence to support that argument especially the symbol of the crescent moon in many of the Islamic countries flags. As for the Wycliffe thing, they changed their minds and are looking at the issue again. As for the allegations against Rick Warren, I find them unfounded, I have seen nothing to point to these false statements said about him. The Bible is not required to correct and clarify the Koran. The Bible is for when it is read and acted on, it transforms the person from inside out and helps one to give the skeletons in one's closet to Jesus, whether you are Christian and still have these or you are in the process of coming to Christ. I have not read the Koran all the way, but I did go to a site that was Islamic and had the Quran on the site and I was shocked to read a Surah that was so wrong and yet some Muslims want to say it does not say what it is saying.

Surah 9:5

And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

That type of verses never shows up in the Bible of doing such things.
 

Markum1972

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A woman here on CC mocked me for mentioning Chrislam awhile back as if it doesn't exist. This is something that has been in the making for over 20 years now. It amazes me how many "Christians" are willingly ignorant of these things.