Satan Existed in the book of GENESIS???

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Tintin said:
I'm not sure how the age of the post suggests that you can reply in a language other than English (in this forum). I don't have anything against people speaking other languages but not everyone here understands Fliipino (I certainly don't). Thanks for sharing your understanding. God Bless.
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Regardless that we all use English in this thread, I actually think it is ok to use my own language as well since this is a Filipino forum, and I am replying only to the OP who speaks the same language as me.

I somehow was hoping that if somebody would want to know what I am saying then they can just simply ask me to translate it, and of course I wouldn't have any problem with that. :)

Again, this is a Filipino forum after all. That is what suggests and gives me all the right to reply and post in Filipino and not English. As I stated though, I am happy and more than willing to translate anytime, God Bless as well .;)
 
In Ezekiel 28 : God says he created Satan. But that he was a cherub. Satan was perfect. until he sinned. The nature of his sin is recorded in Revelation 12: 4, when he drew 1/3rd of all God's children away from God.

Snake or serpent is just another name or role. Satan plays. So Ezekiel 28 shows how he was in the garden. Satan would have been created long long before the garden. Created in Gen1:1 ( like we all were ). then study Gen1:2 in Hebrew. ( Rev 12:9 ) gives you all his names together. Most of them. there is many many scriptures, but you have to understand what took place in the first earth age.
 
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Jangel, I apologise. For some reason I didn't recognise this thread as belonging to the Filipino forum. Looking but not seeing. I'm sorry. :(
 
JCluvsme said:
WHy satan (snake) at the paradise existed already..and temp the two humans (ADAM AND EVE)...???
and in the beginning of the creation of GOD, Does it have in the BIBLE that HE include to create satan??

so,,,

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WHEN
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Here's what we can learn from the Bible. First we have to understand, who are angels? Then afterwards, we need to understand who is satan? This next part comes from one of my favorite books I've been reading lately: "Ryrie Study Bible Expanded Edition - New American Standard Bible - 1995 Update." (But please, feel free to cross reference any and all of these scriptures with other versions and even the original languages they were written in. That's the best way to learn anyway.) God please give us wisdom and knowledge as we seek to understand Your Word. Amen. Here we go:
THE DOCTRINE OF ANGELS

1. THE EXISTENCE OF ANGELS

  • The Teaching of Scripture. Existence taught in at least thirty-four books of Bible. The word angel occurs about 275 times.
  • The Teaching of Christ. Christ knew of and taught the existence of angels.
    • Matthew 18:10 - See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.
    • Matthew 26:53 - Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

2. THE CREATION OF ANGELS

  • Fact of their creation is shown in Colossians 1:16
    • Colossians 1:16 - For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
  • Time. Before the creation of the world (Job 38:6-7).
    • Job 38:1-7 - Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,

      "Who is this that darkens counsel
      By words without knowledge?
      Now gird up your loins like a man,
      And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!
      Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
      Tell Me, if you have understanding,
      Who set its measurements? Since you know.
      Or who stretched the line on it?
      On what were its bases sunk?
      Or who laid its cornerstone,
      When the morning stars sang together
      And all the sons of God shouted for joy?      "
  • State of their creation was in holiness (Jude 6).
    • Jude 1:5-7 - Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

3. THE PERSONALITY OF ANGELS

  • Intellect (1 Peter 1:12).
    • 1 Peter 1:10-12 - As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things into which angels long to look.
  • Emotion (Luke 2:13).
    • Luke 2:8-14 - In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened. But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. This will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.” And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,

      “Glory to God in the highest,
      And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.”
  • Will (Jude 6).
    • See "State of their creation was in holiness" above in the "2. THE CREATION OF ANGELS" section above... (Jude 1:5-7 is posted there already earlier in this post.)

4. THE NATURE OF ANGELS

  • They Are Spirit Beings (Hebrews 1:14).
    • Hebrews 1:13-14 - But to which of the angels has He ever said,

      “Sit at My right hand,
      Until I make Your enemies
      A footstool for Your feet”?

      Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?
  • They Are Without Power to Reproduce* after their kind (Mark 12:25) *[Although this is HOTLY debated, especially with regards to the interpretation of Genesis 6:1-4 and the Nephilim, as well as arguments about God creating men and women (both being unique sexual creatures) in the perfection of the garden (Genesis 1:27) before the fall of man. This could quickly turn into the topic of 'is there sex (male and female) in heaven?' as well as 'is there sexual intercourse in heaven?', but they are things to consider in juxtaposition with each argument. Either way, I felt I should include Ryrie's thoughts about this with regards to angelic reproduction, even though later he does include the possibility of Nephilim in the Antediluvian period and their possible offspring. Personally I can see it either way and for me, the word isn't clear enough for me at this time to decide one way or another with regards to reproduction before the fall of man with regards to angels, during the Antediluvian period, after the flood to modern era, and even the time to come after this age. But one thing I DO know... God knows! and I Trust in God! So regardless of what conclusions I come to, I am Trusting in the Creator.]
    • Mark 12:18-27 - Some Sadducees (who say that there is no resurrection) came to Jesus, and began questioning Him, saying, “Teacher, Moses wrote for us that if a man’s brother dies and leaves behind a wife and leaves no child, his brother should marry the wife and raise up children to his brother. There were seven brothers; and the first took a wife, and died leaving no children. The second one married her, and died leaving behind no children; and the third likewise; and so all seven left no children. Last of all the woman died also. In the resurrection, when they rise again, which one’s wife will she be? For all seven had married her.” Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are mistaken, that you do not understand the Scriptures or the power of God? For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. But regarding the fact that the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; you are greatly mistaken.”
    • Angels are designated by masculine gender in Scripture (Genesis 18:1-2; cf. Zechariah 5:9 for possible exception.)
      • Genesis 18:1-5 - Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day. When he lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth, and said, “My Lord, if now I have found favor in Your sight, please do not pass Your servant by. Please let a little water be brought and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree; and I will bring a piece of bread, that you may refresh yourselves; after that you may go on, since you have visited your servant.” And they said, “So do, as you have said.”
      • Zechariah 5:5-11 - Then the angel who was speaking with me went out and said to me, “Lift up now your eyes and see what this is going forth.” I said, “What is it?” And he said, “This is the ephah going forth.” Again he said, “This is their appearance in all the land (and behold, a lead cover was lifted up); and this is a woman sitting inside the ephah.” Then he said, “This is Wickedness!” And he threw her down into the middle of the ephah and cast the lead weight on its opening. Then I lifted up my eyes and looked, and there two women were coming out with the wind in their wings; and they had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heavens. I said to the angel who was speaking with me, “Where are they taking the ephah?” Then he said to me, “To build a temple for her in the land of Shinar; and when it is prepared, she will be set there on her own pedestal.”
  • They Do Not Die (Luke 20:36)
    • Luke 20:34-38 - Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the passage about the burning bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Now He is not the God of the dead but of the living; for all live to Him.”
  • They Are Distinct From Human Beings* (Psalm 8:4-5)
    • Psalm 8:4-5 - What is man that You take thought of him,
      And the son of man that You care for him?
      Yet You have made him a little lower than God,
      And You crown him with glory and majesty!
      • *(This is the verse Ryrie mentions, yet I don't see any references to angels. After reading the entire Psalm 8, it seems that God is spoken of, and Man being a little bit lower, and also a direct relation to the future Messiah, Jesus Christ with the reference to the Son of Man. Even in Ryries direct notes on the page he says the same thing. Perhaps in an older set of his notes, the Son of Man reference was similar to the 'sons' used elsewhere? which sometimes means messengers or angels. I'm honestly, not sure, but I'll include the verse because it is the one he is referencing. (Also maybe it's a typo in his notes and he means another psalm. I would have to research it more.))
      • Personally I would have picked 1 Corinthians 6:3 to prove this point.
        • 1 Corinthians 6:1-6 - Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints? Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life? So if you have law courts dealing with matters of this life, do you appoint them as judges who are of no account in the church? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not among you one wise man who will be able to decide between his brethren, but brother goes to law with brother, and that before unbelievers?
  • They Have Great Power (2 Peter 2:11)
    • 2 Peter 2:4-11 - For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter; and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds), then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority.

      Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties, whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord.

5. NUMBER OF THE ANGELS.

  • Innumerable (Hebrews 12:22)
    • Hebrews 12:18-24 - For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them. For they could not bear the command, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned.” And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, “I am full of fear and trembling.” But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

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6. ORGANIZATION OF THE ANGELS

  • One Archangel Is Named, Michael (Jude 9)
    • Jude 1:8-9 - Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties. But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”
  • Chief Princes (Daniel 10:13)
    • Daniel 10 - In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a message was revealed to Daniel, who was named Belteshazzar; and the message was true and one of great conflict, but he understood the message and had an understanding of the vision.

      In those days, I, Daniel, had been mourning for three entire weeks. I did not eat any tasty food, nor did meat or wine enter my mouth, nor did I use any ointment at all until the entire three weeks were completed. On the twenty-fourth day of the first month, while I was by the bank of the great river, that is, the Tigris, I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, there was a certain man dressed in linen, whose waist was girded with a belt of pure gold of Uphaz. His body also was like beryl, his face had the appearance of lightning, his eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and feet like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a tumult. Now I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, while the men who were with me did not see the vision; nevertheless, a great dread fell on them, and they ran away to hide themselves. So I was left alone and saw this great vision; yet no strength was left in me, for my natural color turned to a deathly pallor, and I retained no strength. But I heard the sound of his words; and as soon as I heard the sound of his words, I fell into a deep sleep on my face, with my face to the ground.

      Then behold, a hand touched me and set me trembling on my hands and knees. He said to me, “O Daniel, man of high esteem, understand the words that I am about to tell you and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” And when he had spoken this word to me, I stood up trembling. Then he said to me, “Do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding this and on humbling yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to your words. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. Now I have come to give you an understanding of what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision pertains to the days yet future.”

      When he had spoken to me according to these words, I turned my face toward the ground and became speechless. And behold, one who resembled a human being was touching my lips; then I opened my mouth and spoke and said to him who was standing before me, “O my lord, as a result of the vision anguish has come upon me, and I have retained no strength. For how can such a servant of my lord talk with such as my lord? As for me, there remains just now no strength in me, nor has any breath been left in me.”

      Then this one with human appearance touched me again and strengthened me. He said, “O man of high esteem, do not be afraid. Peace be with you; take courage and be courageous!” Now as soon as he spoke to me, I received strength and said, “May my lord speak, for you have strengthened me.” Then he said, “Do you understand why I came to you? But I shall now return to fight against the prince of Persia; so I am going forth, and behold, the prince of Greece is about to come. However, I will tell you what is inscribed in the writing of truth. Yet there is no one who stands firmly with me against these forces except Michael your prince.
  • Ruling Angels (Ephesians 3:10)
    • Ephesians 3:8-13 - To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ, and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things; so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places. This was in accordance with the eternal purpose which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and confident access through faith in Him. Therefore I ask you not to lose heart at my tribulations on your behalf, for they are your glory.
  • Guardian Angels (for all, Hebrews 1:14; for children, Matthew 18:10)
    • Hebrews 1:14 (See above in the "4. THE NATURE OF ANGELS" section under "They Are Spirit Beings")
    • Matthew 18:10 (See above in the "1. THE EXISTENCE OF ANGELS" section under "The Teaching of Christ."
  • Seraphim (Isaiah 6:1-3). Have to do with worshiping God.
    • Isaiah 6:1-3 - In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple. Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. And one called out to another and said,

      “Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts,
      The whole earth is full of His glory.”
  • Cherubim (Genesis 3:22-24). Guarding the holiness of God.
    • Genesis 3:22-24 - Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken. So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.
  • Elect Angels (1 Timothy 5:21).
    • 1 Timothy 5:17-22 - The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle the ox while he is threshing,” and “The laborer is worthy of his wages.” Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses. Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning. I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality. Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others; keep yourself free from sin.

7. THE MINISTRIES OF ANGELS

  • To Christ.
    • Predicted His birth (Luke 1:26-33).
      • Luke 1:26-38 - Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. And coming in, he said to her, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.” But she was very perplexed at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this was. The angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.” Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin?” The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God. And behold, even your relative Elizabeth has also conceived a son in her old age; and she who was called barren is now in her sixth month. For nothing will be impossible with God.” And Mary said, “Behold, the bondslave of the Lord; may it be done to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.
    • Announced His birth (Luke 2:13)
      • Luke 2:13 (See above in the "3. THE PERSONALITY OF ANGELS" section under "Emotion")
    • Protected the Baby (Matthew 2:13).
      • Matthew 2:1-13 - Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.” When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. Gathering together all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Messiah was to be born. They said to him, “In Bethlehem of Judea; for this is what has been written by the prophet:

        ‘And you, Bethlehem, land of Judah,
        Are by no means least among the leaders of Judah;
        For out of you shall come forth a Ruler
        Who will shepherd My people Israel.’”

        Then Herod secretly called the magi and determined from them the exact time the star appeared. And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the Child; and when you have found Him, report to me, so that I too may come and worship Him.” After hearing the king, they went their way; and the star, which they had seen in the east, went on before them until it came and stood over the place where the Child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced exceedingly with great joy. After coming into the house they saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell to the ground and worshiped Him. Then, opening their treasures, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. And having been warned by God in a dream not to return to Herod, the magi left for their own country by another way.
        The Flight to Egypt

        Now when they had gone, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Get up! Take the Child and His mother and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you; for Herod is going to search for the Child to destroy Him.”
    • Strengthened Christ after temptation (Matthew 4:11).
      • Matthew 4:1-11 - Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. And after He had fasted forty days and forty nights, He then became hungry. And the tempter came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.” But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’”

        Then the devil took Him into the holy city and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written,

        ‘He will command His angels concerning You’;

        and

        ‘On their hands they will bear You up,
        So that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’”

        Jesus said to him, “On the other hand, it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

        Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; and he said to Him, “All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me.” Then Jesus said to him, “Go, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.’” Then the devil left Him; and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him.
    • Prepared to defend Him (Matthew 26:53).
      • Matthew 26:53 (See above in the "1. THE EXISTENCE OF ANGELS" section under "The Teaching of Christ."
    • Strengthened Him in Gethsemane (Luke 22:43)
      • Luke 22:39-46 - And He came out and proceeded as was His custom to the Mount of Olives; and the disciples also followed Him. When He arrived at the place, He said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.” And He withdrew from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and began to pray, saying, “Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done.” Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him. And being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground. When He rose from prayer, He came to the disciples and found them sleeping from sorrow, and said to them, “Why are you sleeping? Get up and pray that you may not enter into temptation.”
    • Rolled away stone from tomb (Matthew 28:2). &...
    • Announced the Resurrection (Matthew 28:6).
      • Matthew 28:1-7 - Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. And his appearance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. The guards shook for fear of him and became like dead men. The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid; for I know that you are looking for Jesus who has been crucified. He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying. Go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead; and behold, He is going ahead of you into Galilee, there you will see Him; behold, I have told you.”

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  • To Believers.
    • General ministry of aiding (Hebrews 1:14).
      • Hebrews 1:14 (See above in the "4. THE NATURE OF ANGELS" section under "They Are Spirit Beings.")
    • Involved in answering prayer (Acts 12:7).
      • Acts 12:1-11 - Now about that time Herod the king laid hands on some who belonged to the church in order to mistreat them. And he had James the brother of John put to death with a sword. When he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded to arrest Peter also. Now it was during the days of Unleavened Bread. When he had seized him, he put him in prison, delivering him to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out before the people. So Peter was kept in the prison, but prayer for him was being made fervently by the church to God.

        On the very night when Herod was about to bring him forward, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and guards in front of the door were watching over the prison. And behold, an angel of the Lord suddenly appeared and a light shone in the cell; and he struck Peter’s side and woke him up, saying, “Get up quickly.” And his chains fell off his hands. And the angel said to him, “Gird yourself and put on your sandals.” And he did so. And he said to him, “Wrap your cloak around you and follow me.” And he went out and continued to follow, and he did not know that what was being done by the angel was real, but thought he was seeing a vision. When they had passed the first and second guard, they came to the iron gate that leads into the city, which opened for them by itself; and they went out and went along one street, and immediately the angel departed from him. When Peter came to himself, he said, “Now I know for sure that the Lord has sent forth His angel and rescued me from the hand of Herod and from all that the Jewish people were expecting.”
    • Observe Christians' experiences (1 Corinthians 4:9; 1 Timothy 5:21).
      • 1 Corinthians 4:8-9 - You are already filled, you have already become rich, you have become kings without us; and indeed, I wish that you had become kings so that we also might reign with you. For, I think, God has exhibited us apostles last of all, as men condemned to death; because we have become a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men.
      • 1 Timothy 5:21 (See above in the "6. ORGANIZATION OF THE ANGELS" section under "Elect Angels")
    • Encourage in time of danger (Acts 27:23-24).
      • Acts 27:1-26 - When it was decided that we would sail for Italy, they proceeded to deliver Paul and some other prisoners to a centurion of the Augustan cohort named Julius. And embarking in an Adramyttian ship, which was about to sail to the regions along the coast of Asia, we put out to sea accompanied by Aristarchus, a Macedonian of Thessalonica. The next day we put in at Sidon; and Julius treated Paul with consideration and allowed him to go to his friends and receive care. From there we put out to sea and sailed under the shelter of Cyprus because the winds were contrary. When we had sailed through the sea along the coast of Cilicia and Pamphylia, we landed at Myra in Lycia. There the centurion found an Alexandrian ship sailing for Italy, and he put us aboard it. When we had sailed slowly for a good many days, and with difficulty had arrived off Cnidus, since the wind did not permit us to go farther, we sailed under the shelter of Crete, off Salmone; and with difficulty sailing past it we came to a place called Fair Havens, near which was the city of Lasea.

        When considerable time had passed and the voyage was now dangerous, since even the fast was already over, Paul began to admonish them, and said to them, “Men, I perceive that the voyage will certainly be with damage and great loss, not only of the cargo and the ship, but also of our lives.” But the centurion was more persuaded by the pilot and the captain of the ship than by what was being said by Paul. Because the harbor was not suitable for wintering, the majority reached a decision to put out to sea from there, if somehow they could reach Phoenix, a harbor of Crete, facing southwest and northwest, and spend the winter there.

        When a moderate south wind came up, supposing that they had attained their purpose, they weighed anchor and began sailing along Crete, close inshore.

        But before very long there rushed down from the land a violent wind, called Euraquilo; and when the ship was caught in it and could not face the wind, we gave way to it and let ourselves be driven along. Running under the shelter of a small island called Clauda, we were scarcely able to get the ship’s boat under control. After they had hoisted it up, they used supporting cables in undergirding the ship; and fearing that they might run aground on the shallows of Syrtis, they let down the sea anchor and in this way let themselves be driven along. The next day as we were being violently storm-tossed, they began to jettison the cargo; and on the third day they threw the ship’s tackle overboard with their own hands. Since neither sun nor stars appeared for many days, and no small storm was assailing us, from then on all hope of our being saved was gradually abandoned.

        When they had gone a long time without food, then Paul stood up in their midst and said, “Men, you ought to have followed my advice and not to have set sail from Crete and incurred this damage and loss. Yet now I urge you to keep up your courage, for there will be no loss of life among you, but only of the ship. For this very night an angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I serve stood before me, saying, ‘Do not be afraid, Paul; you must stand before Caesar; and behold, God has granted you all those who are sailing with you.’ Therefore, keep up your courage, men, for I believe God that it will turn out exactly as I have been told. But we must run aground on a certain island.”
    • Interested in evangelistic effort of Christians (Luke 15:10; Acts 8:26).
      • Luke 15:1-10 - Now all the tax collectors and the sinners were coming near Him to listen to Him. Both the Pharisees and the scribes began to grumble, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.”

        So He told them this parable, saying, “What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

        “Or what woman, if she has ten silver coins and loses one coin, does not light a lamp and sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin which I had lost!’ In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
      • Acts 8:25-40 - So, when they had solemnly testified and spoken the word of the Lord, they started back to Jerusalem, and were preaching the gospel to many villages of the Samaritans.

        But an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip saying, “Get up and go south to the road that descends from Jerusalem to Gaza.” (This is a desert road.) So he got up and went; and there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure; and he had come to Jerusalem to worship, and he was returning and sitting in his chariot, and was reading the prophet Isaiah. Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. Now the passage of Scripture which he was reading was this:

        “He was led as a sheep to slaughter;
        And as a lamb before its shearer is silent,
        So He does not open His mouth.
        “In humiliation His judgment was taken away;
        Who will relate His generation?
        For His life is removed from the earth.”

        The eunuch answered Philip and said, “Please tell me, of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else?” Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing. But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he kept preaching the gospel to all the cities until he came to Caesarea.
    • Care for righteous at death (Luke 16:22; Jude 9).
      • Luke 16:19-31 - “Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’ And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ But Abraham *said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”
      • Jude 9 (See above in the "6. ORGANIZATION OF THE ANGELS" section under "One Archangel Is Named, Michael")

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  • To the Nations.
    • Michael seems to have a special relationship to Israel (Daniel 12:1).
      • Daniel 12:1-4 - “Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.”
    • Angels are God's agents in the execution of His providence (Daniel 10:21).
      • Daniel 10:21 (See above in the "6. ORGANIZATION OF THE ANGELS" section under "Chief Princes")
    • Angels will be involved in the judgements of the Tribulation (Revelation 8, 9, 16).
      • Revelation 8 - When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.

        Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer; and much incense was given to him, so that he might add it to the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel’s hand. Then the angel took the censer and filled it with the fire of the altar, and threw it to the earth; and there followed peals of thunder and sounds and flashes of lightning and an earthquake.

        And the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound them.

        The first sounded, and there came hail and fire, mixed with blood, and they were thrown to the earth; and a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

        The second angel sounded, and something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea; and a third of the sea became blood, and a third of the creatures which were in the sea and had life, died; and a third of the ships were destroyed.

        The third angel sounded, and a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waters. The name of the star is called Wormwood; and a third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter.

        The fourth angel sounded, and a third of the sun and a third of the moon and a third of the stars were struck, so that a third of them would be darkened and the day would not shine for a third of it, and the night in the same way.

        Then I looked, and I heard an eagle flying in midheaven, saying with a loud voice, “Woe, woe, woe to those who dwell on the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!”
      • Revelation 9 - Then the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven which had fallen to the earth; and the key of the bottomless pit was given to him. He opened the bottomless pit, and smoke went up out of the pit, like the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by the smoke of the pit. Then out of the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given them, as the scorpions of the earth have power. They were told not to hurt the grass of the earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but only the men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. And they were not permitted to kill anyone, but to torment for five months; and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man. And in those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, and death flees from them.

        The appearance of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle; and on their heads appeared to be crowns like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men. They had hair like the hair of women, and their teeth were like the teeth of lions. They had breastplates like breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots, of many horses rushing to battle. They have tails like scorpions, and stings; and in their tails is their power to hurt men for five months. They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon.

        The first woe is past; behold, two woes are still coming after these things.

        Then the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, one saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” And the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released, so that they would kill a third of mankind. The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them. And this is how I saw in the vision the horses and those who sat on them: the riders had breastplates the color of fire and of hyacinth and of brimstone; and the heads of the horses are like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths proceed fire and smoke and brimstone. A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues, by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which proceeded out of their mouths. For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents and have heads, and with them they do harm.

        The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.
      • (I felt like adding the 7th trumpet to tie it all together, they weren't included in Ryrie's original notes.) Revelation 11:15-19 - Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,

        “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”         And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying,

        “We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign. And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”

        And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.
      • Revelation 16 - Then I heard a loud voice from the temple, saying to the seven angels, “Go and pour out on the earth the seven bowls of the wrath of God.”

        So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth; and it became a loathsome and malignant sore on the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image.

        The second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood like that of a dead man; and every living thing in the sea died.

        Then the third angel poured out his bowl into the rivers and the springs of waters; and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the waters saying, “Righteous are You, who are and who were, O Holy One, because You judged these things; for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink. They deserve it.” And I heard the altar saying, “Yes, O Lord God, the Almighty, true and righteous are Your judgments.”

        The fourth angel poured out his bowl upon the sun, and it was given to it to scorch men with fire. Men were scorched with fierce heat; and they blasphemed the name of God who has the power over these plagues, and they did not repent so as to give Him glory.

        Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom became darkened; and they gnawed their tongues because of pain, and they blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores; and they did not repent of their deeds.

        The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river, the Euphrates; and its water was dried up, so that the way would be prepared for the kings from the east.

        And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs; for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty. (“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame.”) And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon.

        Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl upon the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple from the throne, saying, “It is done.” And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe.
  • To Unbelievers.
    • Announce impending judgements (Genesis 19:13; Revelation 14:6-7).
      • Genesis 19:1-29 - Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. And he said, “Now behold, my lords, please turn aside into your servant’s house, and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way.” They said however, “No, but we shall spend the night in the square.” Yet he urged them strongly, so they turned aside to him and entered his house; and he prepared a feast for them, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.” But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, “Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof.” But they said, “Stand aside.” Furthermore, they said, “This one came in as an alien, and already he is acting like a judge; now we will treat you worse than them.” So they pressed hard against Lot and came near to break the door. But the men reached out their hands and brought Lot into the house with them, and shut the door. They struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they wearied themselves trying to find the doorway.

        Then the two men said to Lot, “Whom else have you here? A son-in-law, and your sons, and your daughters, and whomever you have in the city, bring them out of the place; for we are about to destroy this place, because their outcry has become so great before the Lord that the Lord has sent us to destroy it.” Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were to marry his daughters, and said, “Up, get out of this place, for the Lord will destroy the city.” But he appeared to his sons-in-law to be jesting.

        When morning dawned, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Up, take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away in the punishment of the city.” But he hesitated. So the men seized his hand and the hand of his wife and the hands of his two daughters, for the compassion of the Lord was upon him; and they brought him out, and put him outside the city. When they had brought them outside, one said, “Escape for your life! Do not look behind you, and do not stay anywhere in the valley; escape to the mountains, or you will be swept away.” But Lot said to them, “Oh no, my lords! Now behold, your servant has found favor in your sight, and you have magnified your lovingkindness, which you have shown me by saving my life; but I cannot escape to the mountains, for the disaster will overtake me and I will die; now behold, this town is near enough to flee to, and it is small. Please, let me escape there (is it not small?) that my life may be saved.” He said to him, “Behold, I grant you this request also, not to overthrow the town of which you have spoken. Hurry, escape there, for I cannot do anything until you arrive there.” Therefore the name of the town was called Zoar.

        The sun had risen over the earth when Lot came to Zoar. Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven, and He overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground. But his wife, from behind him, looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

        Now Abraham arose early in the morning and went to the place where he had stood before the Lord; and he looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the valley, and he saw, and behold, the smoke of the land ascended like the smoke of a furnace.

        Thus it came about, when God destroyed the cities of the valley, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot lived.
      • Revelation 14:6-20 - And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.”

        And another angel, a second one, followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who has made all the nations drink of the wine of the passion of her immorality.”

        Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

        And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.”

        Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like a son of man, having a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand. And another angel came out of the temple, crying out with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Put in your sickle and reap, for the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is ripe.” Then He who sat on the cloud swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped.

        And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle. Then another angel, the one who has power over fire, came out from the altar; and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Put in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe.” So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God. And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses’ bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.
    • Inflict Punishment (Acts 12:23).
      • Acts 12:21-24 - On an appointed day Herod, having put on his royal apparel, took his seat on the rostrum and began delivering an address to them. The people kept crying out, “The voice of a god and not of a man!” And immediately an angel of the Lord struck him because he did not give God the glory, and he was eaten by worms and died.

        But the word of the Lord continued to grow and to be multiplied.
    • Act as reapersin the separation at the end of the age (Matthew 13:39).
      • Matthew 13:36-43 - Then He left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.” And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.


Wow... that was a lot of typing and took half the day to cross-reference the scriptures Ryrie brought up about the Doctrine of Angels. Now that we know what the Bible says about Angels, we should next look to see what the Bible says about the Doctrine of Satan. As a quick sneak peak let's look at the various names given to Satan:
Satan, Adversary, Devil, Slanderer, Lucifer, Son of the Morning, Beelzebub, Belial, Evil one, Tempter, Prince of this world, God of this age, Ruler of the Kingdom of the air, Accuser of the brothers, Serpent, Dragon, Angel of light.

Until next time,
TRUST IN GOD!
SpySat1
 
Violakat, I know. I realised this earlier on, towards the top of this page.
 
The Holy Scripture (Gen 1:1 KJV) state that God created the HEAVEN and the Earth.
There has more to discover about the accounts of the HEAVEN(s), as it was the first God had made before the earth. Little is known about the accounts of the heaven, but when we try to ponder closely, with the help of the holy Spirit, as we read the book of Genesis, we would realize HOW THE HEAVEN(s) affect the accounts of the earth. There's something interesting in the accounts of the heavens, it's for Christians' to find out, for God says: " AND YE SHALL SEEK ME, AND FIND ME, WHEN YE SHALL SEARCH FOR ME WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND I WILL BE FOUND OF YOU..." Jeremiah 29:13,14 KJV) "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you" Jer. 29 13,14 NIV) God Bless
 
Tintin said:
Jangel, I don't understand your last bit. This is an English forum.
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Tintin,
Love ya bro, but we're in the Filipino section of an otherwise English forum...
we're not supposed to understand them.
:)
 
Tintin,

One more thing,

if it's a girl... you won't understand her in any language.
:)
 
spysat1: Can you post the entire bible next time while you are at it?
NWL: Thanks for posting, interesting conglomeration of scriptures.
SusanBlange: How can Adam be satan ? what was the serpent? this doesn't make any sense, you have been burning too much ''sage'' with your hippy friends ^_^

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jangel said:
JC, biblically we have 3 heavens
1st heaven- sky , what we can see right now
2nd heaven-outer space
3rd heaven- God's dwelling place kasama na rin mga angels for reference google nalang hindi ko alam ang mga supporting verses basta yun ang alam ko hehe :D
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IMHO, that's not what the Bible is referring to relative to the three heavens.... as stated in the Book of Genesis.

1st heaven - was the world of Adam thru Noah (Gen.1:6-8)- Totally destroyed by the Universal Flood... gone forever
2nd heaven - our present world - doomed to be destroyed by fire ...
3rd heaven - New Jerusalem to come (Rev. 21) - where all christians will go after the raptured.

Rev. 21:1-2 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven (world of Adam) and the first earth (our world)were passed away; and there was no more sea. v2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem (3rd heaven), coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
 
IMHO.... Yes, those fallen angels existed before the making of our physical world. They were created with their own free will to make their own decision.... just like Adam in the beginning..... before disobeying God's commandment and sinned.
 
Filipinos astound me.

They even disagree politely.

I don't know what you guys eat that makes you all so nice, but you need to pass some of it around to everybody else!
:)



Seve said:
IMHO, that's not what the Bible is referring to relative to the three heavens.... as stated in the Book of Genesis.

1st heaven - was the world of Adam thru Noah (Gen.1:6-8)- Totally destroyed by the Universal Flood... gone forever
2nd heaven - our present world - doomed to be destroyed by fire ...
3rd heaven - New Jerusalem to come (Rev. 21) - where all christians will go after the raptured.

Rev. 21:1-2 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven (world of Adam) and the first earth (our world)were passed away; and there was no more sea. v2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem (3rd heaven), coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
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Seve,
I've never heard this before.

If you have some way to explain this, could you let me know?
I'm just curious.
You can send me a private message if you like.
 
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