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Hi, I am her son, Benjamin.
I am sitting here and typing out the notes and relating to you how she has responded to my notes as she tells me what she wants to say to you.
She had been sleeping but when I arrived she got up and spoke to me about what she was talking about here. So I have volunteered to step in with her for a few minutes to help her speak clearly what she has been trying to say. And she says that makes her sleep better.
She will be long back in bed, if I can get her there, before I have finished this for you, although, that might be hoping too much on my part. I have taken from her by notes what she wants me to tell you and she showed me where to paste it.
She had the experiences and stories taught to her directly from her parents who lived it. That is why she is not simply supposing. My grandparents.
She said it all begins here, KJV: I John 1:5. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
She said that God did not bring darkness but he brought light to the earth, KJV: Genesis Chapter 1 [1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. [3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
She said to tell you to now remember that it was to the earth that God brought light and do not forget that God brought light to the earth to divide away darkness that we should walk so as to keep the darkness divided away from ourselves just as God decreed, and that is John's mental view of it as is all of the Bible writers.
She said to tell you that this is how John saw it, KJV: I John 1:5. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
Now she wants to walk you through the scriptures so you can see how that mental view gets to John, that God came with the light, not to bring darkness that we should walk in blindness, but, to chase away the darkness by dividing it away from the light. And I want you to know how much it honors you that she trust you to share with you that you too may be keepers of these truths. Indeed that God does.
She said to got to this Psalm of David and receive what David meant, KJV: Psalms 82:5. They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
She said David says that God brought light to the earth as it's foundation but Adam and thus all men walked away from that light, preferring to live and walk in darkness rather than to keep that darkness divided away and let God be their light at all times. That is what Revelation 22:5 means.
The foundations of the earth which are out of course as David said, are, (1) Let there be light. (2) Let a division be maintained between the light and the darkness, as in have no sharing with it, but men ought to be on their highest guard and not sleeping at night, for those that practice sin do so at night.
KJV: Romans Chapter 13 [11] And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. [12] The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
KJV: Psalms 134:1. Behold, bless ye the LORD, all ye servants of the LORD, which by night stand in the house of the LORD.
KJV: Psalms 139:12. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
KJV: Proverbs Chapter 7 [9] In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night: [10] And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.
KJV: John Chapter 11 [9] Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. [10] But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
KJV: I Thessalonians 5:2. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
KJV: I Thessalonians Chapter 5 [4] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. [5] Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. [6] Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. [7] For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. [8] But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. [9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, [10] Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
So then if you follow line of thought through those scriptures then you can see how John obtained obtained his view and know for sure what his view was.
Men are not walking as though God in whom only is light has brought them that light. Men are not walking as though God divided the light from the darkness that we should walk in the light instead of in darkness,all the foundations of the earth are out of course just as David said at Psalms 82:5 and the surrounding context.
I have to get out of here, but she wants me to help her explain more. She made it back to bed long ago and it will please her that I was able to do this much from her notes when she sees it. She is very frail and I am trying to encourage her to not be so eager, which is kind of a catch 22 as she draws such great joy from it.
Thank you for being understanding. I really have to run now for I think I have someone else to do some answering to.
Love, Benjamin
I am sitting here and typing out the notes and relating to you how she has responded to my notes as she tells me what she wants to say to you.
She had been sleeping but when I arrived she got up and spoke to me about what she was talking about here. So I have volunteered to step in with her for a few minutes to help her speak clearly what she has been trying to say. And she says that makes her sleep better.
She will be long back in bed, if I can get her there, before I have finished this for you, although, that might be hoping too much on my part. I have taken from her by notes what she wants me to tell you and she showed me where to paste it.
She had the experiences and stories taught to her directly from her parents who lived it. That is why she is not simply supposing. My grandparents.
She said it all begins here, KJV: I John 1:5. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
She said that God did not bring darkness but he brought light to the earth, KJV: Genesis Chapter 1 [1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. [3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
She said to tell you to now remember that it was to the earth that God brought light and do not forget that God brought light to the earth to divide away darkness that we should walk so as to keep the darkness divided away from ourselves just as God decreed, and that is John's mental view of it as is all of the Bible writers.
She said to tell you that this is how John saw it, KJV: I John 1:5. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
Now she wants to walk you through the scriptures so you can see how that mental view gets to John, that God came with the light, not to bring darkness that we should walk in blindness, but, to chase away the darkness by dividing it away from the light. And I want you to know how much it honors you that she trust you to share with you that you too may be keepers of these truths. Indeed that God does.
She said to got to this Psalm of David and receive what David meant, KJV: Psalms 82:5. They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
She said David says that God brought light to the earth as it's foundation but Adam and thus all men walked away from that light, preferring to live and walk in darkness rather than to keep that darkness divided away and let God be their light at all times. That is what Revelation 22:5 means.
The foundations of the earth which are out of course as David said, are, (1) Let there be light. (2) Let a division be maintained between the light and the darkness, as in have no sharing with it, but men ought to be on their highest guard and not sleeping at night, for those that practice sin do so at night.
KJV: Romans Chapter 13 [11] And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. [12] The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
KJV: Psalms 134:1. Behold, bless ye the LORD, all ye servants of the LORD, which by night stand in the house of the LORD.
KJV: Psalms 139:12. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
KJV: Proverbs Chapter 7 [9] In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night: [10] And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.
KJV: John Chapter 11 [9] Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. [10] But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
KJV: I Thessalonians 5:2. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
KJV: I Thessalonians Chapter 5 [4] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. [5] Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. [6] Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. [7] For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. [8] But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. [9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, [10] Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
So then if you follow line of thought through those scriptures then you can see how John obtained obtained his view and know for sure what his view was.
Men are not walking as though God in whom only is light has brought them that light. Men are not walking as though God divided the light from the darkness that we should walk in the light instead of in darkness,all the foundations of the earth are out of course just as David said at Psalms 82:5 and the surrounding context.
I have to get out of here, but she wants me to help her explain more. She made it back to bed long ago and it will please her that I was able to do this much from her notes when she sees it. She is very frail and I am trying to encourage her to not be so eager, which is kind of a catch 22 as she draws such great joy from it.
Thank you for being understanding. I really have to run now for I think I have someone else to do some answering to.
Love, Benjamin
Actually, most of this thread is missing the most important part of the Bible story - Jesus.
"I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. [SUP]10 [/SUP]The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep." John 10:9-11
Under Jesus, we get LIFE, and Jesus got death! (Of course, he lay down his life voluntarily) But that is how he saved us!
"God is love" 1 John 4:8,16.
The OP is focusing on the wrong things. God is in control - he is just, he is love and he died for US! He is not a God who hates people, but rather sin!
"I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. [SUP]10 [/SUP]The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep." John 10:9-11
Under Jesus, we get LIFE, and Jesus got death! (Of course, he lay down his life voluntarily) But that is how he saved us!
"God is love" 1 John 4:8,16.
The OP is focusing on the wrong things. God is in control - he is just, he is love and he died for US! He is not a God who hates people, but rather sin!
2 Chronicles 15:12-13 , Says ; They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. < K.J.V. >
Exodus 22:19 , Says ; Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. < K.J.V. >
Zechariah 13:3 , Says ; If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. < K.J.V. >
Deuteronomy 13:13-19 , Says ; Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." < K.J.V. >
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 , Says ; But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. < K.J.V. >
Deuteronomy 13:7-12 , Says ; If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. < K.J.V. >
Leviticus 24:10-16 , Says ; One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. < K.J.V. >
Just to name a few
Exodus 22:19 , Says ; Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. < K.J.V. >
Zechariah 13:3 , Says ; If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. < K.J.V. >
Deuteronomy 13:13-19 , Says ; Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." < K.J.V. >
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 , Says ; But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. < K.J.V. >
Deuteronomy 13:7-12 , Says ; If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. < K.J.V. >
Leviticus 24:10-16 , Says ; One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. < K.J.V. >
Just to name a few
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I'm sorry but you sound a bit like a child who thinks mom and dad are mean because they send you to be without your supper when you misbehave. Because God punishes, set parameters as to what deserves punishment, carries out the inevitable, then you go straight to God kills. The wicked and evil part don't seem to matter. I guess we should just be ok with that? Accept an "I'm sorry" and be done with it? Not good parenting.
People sin, we are not perfect and we make mistakes, make bad choices, do stupid things. God is the Father and therefore has to correct us, sometimes harshly, or we don't get the message. But through it all HE LOVES US, with a love you can't (I can't either, btw) begin to comprehend. If we could understand all His ways, could figure out the whys and hows, then there would be no reason for faith or belief and God wouldn't be GOD.
People sin, we are not perfect and we make mistakes, make bad choices, do stupid things. God is the Father and therefore has to correct us, sometimes harshly, or we don't get the message. But through it all HE LOVES US, with a love you can't (I can't either, btw) begin to comprehend. If we could understand all His ways, could figure out the whys and hows, then there would be no reason for faith or belief and God wouldn't be GOD.
You're right, it does say not Christian, but there's a very valid reason for that. If I had done the things you say are required to become 'christian', for instance, what? Started to renew my mind and listen to Jesus and long for God? Are those things enough? What else need I do to be part of that clan of people? And should I take the title, or more relevantly, MUST I take the title, that is tainted to mean so many things that it makes me uncomfortable, as a God-believer, to be associated with what it has meant, both nowadays and throughout history?
I don't think a title means much to God. There are approximately 41,000 'christian' denominations, all with different beliefs. So which box do I put myself in? I'd rather not any. I'm a human being, I don't have to belong to a box. A title means little.
I don't think a title means much to God. There are approximately 41,000 'christian' denominations, all with different beliefs. So which box do I put myself in? I'd rather not any. I'm a human being, I don't have to belong to a box. A title means little.
That harsh correction you're talking about, only serves for the child to portray an image that it is taught to be, out of fear of more punishment. It never gets to the root cause of why the child behaves the way it does in the first place, and therefore never gets to weed it out.
The tendency for misbehavior will always be there, but the fear (at least until the early twenties or so) will outweigh the urge for bad behavior. But what you find is that once the household bond goes between parent and child, and the child is 'free' to make their own decisions, they'll probably misbehave in ways you don't find out about, because they don't trust to tell you because of what they've learnt about 'misbehaving' and how their parents react.
There are two dynamic issues with that;
1. The child often isn't understood and helped for their urges and angers and tantrums and whatever else, they just get suppressed and the child learns about portraying a fake image to their parents which is against their nature. It's two edged. They have these real feelings and the feelings and actions that they have to portray. That sets people up for a lot of conflicting emotions.
2. The punishment serves to create a gap in understanding and real trust between parent and child.
But there are more complex issues than that.
Children like this tend to associate obedience with love. Ie. the parent is only actively compassionate to them when they are abiding by all the rules and expectations, and so they learn that they only deserve love whenever they are successful and 'towing the line'.
They also release their suppressed urges for misbehavior outside of parental supervision; at school, work, in relationships. The root cause was never recognized and so the child's punishments don't seem to make sense to them. They are having their emotions and urges suppressed and therefore feel that they have no control and that their emotions are somehow 'wrong'. That in itself causes a huge problem; the child feels trapped. So when it is 'let loose' it goes haywire.
The child begins to develop anxiety that if it makes a mistake or somehow misbehaves (remember children don't always understand the concept of misbehavior) that it will be punished, so it develops feelings of self-consciousness beyond what is healthy.
There are far more issues associated with it but those are the few that come to mind.
What this kind of parenting doesn't account for is that to subject a child to strict rules and little choice means that they have a very difficult time in becoming self dependent and developing their own self control from experimenting with social boundaries and gauging responses. Most children have a built in, deep-seated, vibrant conscience of their own and generally they will learn how to be co-existent with others without too much need for punishments, which only serve to throw poison in the stream. A better method is talking and understanding why the child does what it does.
Of course I agree that boundaries and some form of rules have to be set, but I see God understanding my conditions and emotions and responses every day and goading me to understand them myself so that I can root out the cause of them and go forward into a better life.
He doesn't just send me to be without my supper.
The tendency for misbehavior will always be there, but the fear (at least until the early twenties or so) will outweigh the urge for bad behavior. But what you find is that once the household bond goes between parent and child, and the child is 'free' to make their own decisions, they'll probably misbehave in ways you don't find out about, because they don't trust to tell you because of what they've learnt about 'misbehaving' and how their parents react.
There are two dynamic issues with that;
1. The child often isn't understood and helped for their urges and angers and tantrums and whatever else, they just get suppressed and the child learns about portraying a fake image to their parents which is against their nature. It's two edged. They have these real feelings and the feelings and actions that they have to portray. That sets people up for a lot of conflicting emotions.
2. The punishment serves to create a gap in understanding and real trust between parent and child.
But there are more complex issues than that.
Children like this tend to associate obedience with love. Ie. the parent is only actively compassionate to them when they are abiding by all the rules and expectations, and so they learn that they only deserve love whenever they are successful and 'towing the line'.
They also release their suppressed urges for misbehavior outside of parental supervision; at school, work, in relationships. The root cause was never recognized and so the child's punishments don't seem to make sense to them. They are having their emotions and urges suppressed and therefore feel that they have no control and that their emotions are somehow 'wrong'. That in itself causes a huge problem; the child feels trapped. So when it is 'let loose' it goes haywire.
The child begins to develop anxiety that if it makes a mistake or somehow misbehaves (remember children don't always understand the concept of misbehavior) that it will be punished, so it develops feelings of self-consciousness beyond what is healthy.
There are far more issues associated with it but those are the few that come to mind.
What this kind of parenting doesn't account for is that to subject a child to strict rules and little choice means that they have a very difficult time in becoming self dependent and developing their own self control from experimenting with social boundaries and gauging responses. Most children have a built in, deep-seated, vibrant conscience of their own and generally they will learn how to be co-existent with others without too much need for punishments, which only serve to throw poison in the stream. A better method is talking and understanding why the child does what it does.
Of course I agree that boundaries and some form of rules have to be set, but I see God understanding my conditions and emotions and responses every day and goading me to understand them myself so that I can root out the cause of them and go forward into a better life.
He doesn't just send me to be without my supper.
God can and will resurrect those whom he kills. This puts him in a different category to mortals. In any case, there is another law that states that the penalty of sin is death, and sin entered the world through Adam's rebellion so that it is as if man has condemned himself ("death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" Rom 5;12). There are instances of men who were (almost) sinless and who did not die, cf Elijah and Enoch, who prefigure Christ.
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The amazing thing is. Even though everyone of us deserve to die eternally. God himself came to earth and allowed man to kill him. so we can be made alive in him and spend eternity with him.
People need to stop being angry at the lies Satan tells about God. and start seeing the true love and forgiveness God, Even though he is not obligated in any way to do, shows us.
People need to stop being angry at the lies Satan tells about God. and start seeing the true love and forgiveness God, Even though he is not obligated in any way to do, shows us.