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jinx

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Your in good company Jinx , Jesus and the Apostles did not believe in the Trinity either. It's false Docterine developed in the 3rd 4th and 5th century. I believe it breaks the heart and infuriates our Messiah because it takes away from the Glory of his father God Almighty the creator of Jesus or The Logos at that time. Jesus only has one will to serve the will of the Father for eternity and to say he is the Father. Is and insult to him and the father. Here is a clipping from an article on that...


Jesus did not go about declaring he was the "Christ" or the "Anointed One." He did not encourage his disciples to do so. Jesus inquired, "Who do men say that the son of man is" (Matt. 16:13-20)? The answers were: Elijah, Jeremiah or one of the prophets. Nothing very dramatic, was it? Nobody guessed he was the "Christ"—much less God. No!—not even His disciples. Jesus asked, "Who do you say that I am?" Peter's answer pleased our Lord—"You are the Christ [Anointed], the Son of the living God." That was correct. Only by the aid of the holy Spirit was Peter able to speak thus.


But notice what the holy Spirit did not suggest: It did not imply Jesus was God—not even the vaguest hint of it. The holy Spirit owed us the truth, and it gave us the truth. "You are the Christ [Anointed], the Son of the living God." They were then charged, "Tell no one." If denied from presenting Jesus as the Christ, would they present Jesus as God? Did the holy Spirit tell Peter a half-truth about the Christ?


The "doctrine of Christ" is: Jesus is the "Anointed" One. The Jews knew only priests, kings and some prophets were anointed, and it was strictly forbidden to make or use the special "holy anointing oil" improperly (Ex. 30:31-33). Jesus was not a Levite and, therefore, could not be of the Levitical Priesthood. He was, however, of David's line and could be anointed "King." Before his death, Jesus rode into Jerusalem saying, "Tell the daughter of Zion, Behold, your king is coming to you" (Matt. 21:5-16).


In Jesus' last encounter with the Pharisees, he asked: "What do you think of Christ? Whose son is he?" They knew Christ (Messiah, the Anointed) was spoken of as the Son of David and that David looked for a son he would call Lord. They answered: "The son of David." Jesus said, "How is it then that David, inspired by the Spirit, calls him Lord" (Matt. 22:42, 43, RSV)? We ask: Did David believe he would father a son who would be God himself? Would he father God? Certainly not! David, through the Spirit, was showing that the Messiah of promise would be born of David's royal line and, by faithfully laying down his life as the ransom price, would be raised as Lord of both the living and the dead. (See Rom. 14:9.) This would be the Father's reward for His son Christ Jesus, to enable him to carry out his great future work as Judge and Mediator in the Millennial Kingdom.


If the doctrine of Christ meant Jesus was God, the holy Spirit failed to make this known. The title "Anointed" is never applied to God. That would be a sacrilege. The greater always anoints the lesser. God is above all. He anoints, but is not anointed—nor can He be. We repeat: God is never called anointed! Never ever! It would be a grave impropriety to do so.
I don't agree with just 2 god's either.
 
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jinx

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But see thats wherr your getting it wrong jesus never says he is the fwther an the idea of the trinity doesnt place him as being the fwther... there is God the father God the son an God the holy spirit three seperate slices of one cake..wn tell me if Jesus isnt God than what exwctly do you think he is a man?? Thats not possible because a man could have never been a perfact sacrfice because man is flawed... on top of that in genisies the bible dosent say in my imaige it says in our image meani g more than one being hence God an christ.
JESUS was both man and GOD.The flesh was man, but the SPIRIT was all GOD.
 
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jinx

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the question, will someone explain to me the trinity may be should read. I dont believe in the trinity and am here to teach all the errors of their ways. It might seem more arrogant but would be more truthful than, can someone explain the trinity.
hard to explain fairy tales.
 
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How can you say he was god but not belive in the trinity that dosent even make sence.
 
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jinx

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There is one SPIRIT, it is HOLY, We call that SPIRIT GOD or Father, the same SPIRIT was in the Christ (the man) . I am a monotheist. I don't believe that there was three or more beings floating around fighting over a throne.
 

notuptome

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There is one SPIRIT, it is HOLY, We call that SPIRIT GOD or Father, the same SPIRIT was in the Christ (the man) . I am a monotheist. I don't believe that there was three or more beings floating around fighting over a throne.
Trinitarians do not believe in three beings fighting over a throne either. Simply another straw man argument.
Rom 1:21-23 Speaks of those who seek to change God into someone that suits what they want Him to be. If Jesus was not Jehovah God in the flesh then He could no more be the Saviour of the world than any other man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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jinx

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dont call me a straw man.
 
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No body says anything wbout them fightin over a throne.. an we are spose to all recive the holy spirit with salvation so if that was all christ had we qould all be christs... God jesus an the spirit are all one spirit like you said but there seperate entitys of that spirit like three slices of one cake..
 
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jinx

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No body says anything wbout them fightin over a throne.. an we are spose to all recive the holy spirit with salvation so if that was all christ had we qould all be christs... God jesus an the spirit are all one spirit like you said but there seperate entitys of that spirit like three slices of one cake..

your comparing GOD to a cake. :(
 
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jerusalem

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this is nothing but rhetoric.......diversity becomes limited thereby limiting God. god is omnicient , omnipotent....there is no limit to God. you reduce our God to the power of three.....this is witchcraft and idolatry. it is absurd. every instance of multiple personality disorder has been defined by it's very nature as aberrant. if we are to be like God and He is triune it behooves us all to develop and encourage this disorder and become completely utterly mad. this is absolutely ridiculous. elohim means Godhead i e governing body plural. el means God one an individual singular. God is the head of the Godhead in the same sense that the king is head of the kingdom. the ruling head. the Godhead is made up of it's several participants but they are individuals that are part of a specific group with a specific purpose and function. they serve under God with God as their head. the trinitarians explain the trinity as a mystery and indeed it is....mystery bablon the great. it is pagan religion at its very heart it is the mystery teaching of ancient mystery cults that insidiously found it's way into the church. our God is not afflicted with a serious mental illness and He is not demon possessed......He is not 3 persons in one
 

notuptome

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this is nothing but rhetoric.......diversity becomes limited thereby limiting God. god is omnicient , omnipotent....there is no limit to God. you reduce our God to the power of three.....this is witchcraft and idolatry. it is absurd. every instance of multiple personality disorder has been defined by it's very nature as aberrant. if we are to be like God and He is triune it behooves us all to develop and encourage this disorder and become completely utterly mad. this is absolutely ridiculous. elohim means Godhead i e governing body plural. el means God one an individual singular. God is the head of the Godhead in the same sense that the king is head of the kingdom. the ruling head. the Godhead is made up of it's several participants but they are individuals that are part of a specific group with a specific purpose and function. they serve under God with God as their head. the trinitarians explain the trinity as a mystery and indeed it is....mystery bablon the great. it is pagan religion at its very heart it is the mystery teaching of ancient mystery cults that insidiously found it's way into the church. our God is not afflicted with a serious mental illness and He is not demon possessed......He is not 3 persons in one
Man is made in the image and likeness of God. Man is triune. Body, soul and spirit. Man is one of three. God redeems man's body at the resurrection, his spirit at salvation and his soul his physical death.

For the cause of Christ
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I dont campre him to cake. I used it as an example to simplfy something some people see as complicated...the fact that u pointed it out an tryd to make it seem bad makes it apear like your grasping for something to discredit my argument which no offense ment seems kinda childess i hwve no problem disscussing these topics with you an considering your ideas in a mature way.. but not by pointing fingerz an accusing thats un called for.
 
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jinx

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I dont campre him to cake. I used it as an example to simplfy something some people see as complicated...the fact that u pointed it out an tryd to make it seem bad makes it apear like your grasping for something to discredit my argument which no offense ment seems kinda childess i hwve no problem disscussing these topics with you an considering your ideas in a mature way.. but not by pointing fingerz an accusing thats un called for.
i wasn't grasping for anything, i was making fun of the cake bit. I've heard people compare GOD to ice,water,steam... and now a cake. Oh and don't forget the egg.
 

zone

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agreed.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
so in Modalism, where you have Jesus being a flesh man shell and internally only wholly God (not a human being in every way but fallen like Adam).....what kind of game is God playing as He "manifests" as a voice from heaven, saying This is My Son....while The Son is on earth.

Who is the Holy Spirit in Modalism?

was the Baptism of Christ with the Trinity present just a display/manifestation to confuse men?

??

i like you jinx, but seriously.

BOWMAN?
BOWMAN?
are you here?
 
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Hey i agree its a kinda funny statment had you used a smiley face id have laughed with you but the sad face made it appear as you where dowing it gota remeber we cant see body language or hear tone on here got to try an interpet what someone meanf just from what they wrote... i apologise for the misassumption :)
 

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Father + Son + Holy Spirit = One GOD.

Why so many confusion... folks. So who is God & Who is Not according to those who don't believe in Triune God? Please Answer me.
 
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prodigal

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I dont believe in the trinity and ( am here to teach all the errors of their ways.) How well / verse are you in the Scriptures ?
quite well as it goes, but i'll choose my teachers if it's all the same to you..
 
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prodigal

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didn't people worship Jesus. mmmm
 
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jinx

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so in Modalism, where you have Jesus being a flesh man shell and internally only wholly God (not a human being in every way but fallen like Adam).....what kind of game is God playing as He "manifests" as a voice from heaven, saying This is My Son....while The Son is on earth.

Who is the Holy Spirit in Modalism?

was the Baptism of Christ with the Trinity present just a display/manifestation to confuse men?

??

i like you jinx, but seriously.

BOWMAN?
BOWMAN?
are you here?
The flesh was not from adams seed. It was from GOD's seed. (virgin mary)
and GOD is omnipresent, HE is everywhere.

The HOLY SPIRIT is the very SPIRIT of GOD. GOD is a spirit, (john 4:24) and HE is HOLY.
The early church wasn't confused about who JESUS was.

I like you too zone. :p