Learning and Attacking

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resurrection33

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I already said this in another thread, but this seems like it deserves its own thread:

People can learn from each other. They seem to prefer attacking each other, though. How come?
 
Stephen63

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I think some of that has to do with the person's intentions. What are they up to? What does it look like their goal is? Some want to build your faith. Others want to destroy it. Don't believe those that argue the most.
 
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Protecting the ego is the instinctive feeling to any proposal different and important to your own. I think regardless of the intention, every message has multiple meanings; to educate, to inquire, to impose, to shift attention and importance etc

... If I was happily supporting something anti-ethical or something that would affect your feeling of worth:
1) Learn from each other (Evaluate a logic)
2) Attack each other (Defend what you value ::suppression/threat/distortion/tangent/ad-hoc etc)
are you in a position to believe that 'evaluation' will contribute? or merely promotes my agenda?
 
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Stephen63 said:
I think some of that has to do with the person's intentions. What are they up to? What does it look like their goal is? Some want to build your faith. Others want to destroy it. Don't believe those that argue the most.
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We Christians are imperfect creatures. Hopefully we mature as we get older.

One of our faults is pride. We don't like it when people disagree with us and we become angry. We insult each other.

It is good if we can outgrow that.
 
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Tethered said:
Protecting the ego is the instinctive feeling to any proposal different and important to your own. I think regardless of the intention, every message has multiple meanings; to educate, to inquire, to impose, to shift attention and importance etc

... If I was happily supporting something anti-ethical or something that would affect your feeling of worth:
1) Learn from each other (Evaluate a logic)
2) Attack each other (Defend what you value ::suppression/threat/distortion/tangent/ad-hoc etc)
are you in a position to believe that 'evaluation' will contribute? or merely promotes my agenda?
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I think people need to learn not to attack each other. If someone attacks me, instead of attacking them back, I need to continue to make my point. When someone attacks me, it's sort of like they are saying, "I can't prove my point, so I am going to lose my temper instead."
 
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resurrection33 said:
We Christians are imperfect creatures. Hopefully we mature as we get older.

One of our faults is pride. We don't like it when people disagree with us and we become angry. We insult each other.

It is good if we can outgrow that.
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Agreed. I think pride is the root of most sin. Thinking along the lines of, "I know what's best." Instead of leaning of God for understanding.

Ben Franklin had something interesting to say on pride... Something along the lines of how pride is so hard to eliminate from one's character, and how, even if he was able to eliminate it, he'd probably be proud of doing that.

The world hates humility and every other character trait that is learned from God. I like this verse:

Proverbs 26: 12
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
 
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This forum is open to anyone who goes by the rules. Some of those people are used by evil forces, and it is up to us to not listen to those people. We have two scriptures, especially, that helps us select Christians. If they speak with harsh words that expresses hate then we can know those words are not from God so we can ignore them. There are posters on cc that I ignore because of the way they express themselves. If what they say was from God, they would express themselves in a Godly way.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

John_13:35 By this all people will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
 
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RedTent said:
This forum is open to anyone who goes by the rules. Some of those people are used by evil forces, and it is up to us to not listen to those people. We have two scriptures, especially, that helps us select Christians. If they speak with harsh words that expresses hate then we can know those words are not from God so we can ignore them. There are posters on cc that I ignore because of the way they express themselves. If what they say was from God, they would express themselves in a Godly way.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

John_13:35 By this all people will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
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Yes, we should be respectful of each other whether we agree with each other or not.
 
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Proverbs 12:16 Fools show their annoyance at once, but the prudent overlook an insult.

Even if you are being attacked on here....you can do with that what you will.
 
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resurrection33 said:
We Christians are imperfect creatures. Hopefully we mature as we get older.

One of our faults is pride. We don't like it when people disagree with us and we become angry. We insult each other.

It is good if we can outgrow that.
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This is a pretty discouraging post. I have lived 88 years of working at growing, according to you I'd be a LOT further along than I am. I've got to believe that maturity is not in the growth accomplished but in the act of growing.

Seems to me that the least mature are the ones who say they have it made.
 
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djness said:
Proverbs 12:16 Fools show their annoyance at once, but the prudent overlook an insult.

Even if you are being attacked on here....you can do with that what you will.
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Insulting a person never helps you prove a point. Just the opposite. Once you've insulted someone, you really CAN'T prove your point.

Once you've been insulted, you've won, as long as you don't lose your temper and insult them back.
 
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RedTent said:
This is a pretty discouraging post. I have lived 88 years of working at growing, according to you I'd be a LOT further along than I am. I've got to believe that maturity is not in the growth accomplished but in the act of growing.

Seems to me that the least mature are the ones who say they have it made.
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If I understand you, I agree. Humility is one sign of maturity.
 
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djness said:
Proverbs 12:16 Fools show their annoyance at once, but the prudent overlook an insult.

Even if you are being attacked on here....you can do with that what you will.
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Indulge my question.
The prudent can overlook an insult and yet show annoyance after momentary pause?
 
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Indulge my question.
The prudent can overlook an insult and yet show annoyance after momentary pause?
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My reaction to an insult during a debate is to try that much harder to prove my point. Once someone has insulted you, they have lost the argument, anyway, unless you insult them back.

You don't have to submit yourself to further insults. You can walk away.
 
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My reaction to an insult during a debate is to try that much harder to prove my point. Once someone has insulted you, they have lost the argument, anyway, unless you insult them back.

You don't have to submit yourself to further insults. You can walk away.
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I acknowledge that's intellectually honest and has merits within the sphere of an acknowledged debate. I feel I shouldn't generalize all insults (or even display of annoyance), ad-homs have carried weight in persuasion before and inciting suppression of others views, turning people against you; especially where your reputation for intellectual honesty is not established.
 
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Tethered said:
I acknowledge that's intellectually honest and has merits within the sphere of an acknowledged debate. I feel I shouldn't generalize all insults (or even display of annoyance), ad-homs have carried weight in persuasion before and inciting suppression of others views, turning people against you; especially where your reputation for intellectual honesty is not established.
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My experience is that once I've been insulted, and have managed to stand my ground without losing my temper, the other person just gives up. It doesn't necessarily make me popular, but I don't want to be popular with that group, anyway.
 
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resurrection33 said:
My experience is that once I've been insulted, and have managed to stand my ground without losing my temper, the other person just gives up. It doesn't necessarily make me popular, but I don't want to be popular with that group, anyway.
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I'm a vain individual. Your insight is clever... I stereotype older members and love challenging (which can be learning too).
 
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resurrection33 said:
I already said this in another thread, but this seems like it deserves its own thread:

People can learn from each other. They seem to prefer attacking each other, though. How come?
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...yeah, amazing isn't it; how you cant even have an intelligent and/or civil conversation with what is supposed to be a 'Christian'...

...a significant number either attack and attempt to demean, or just demean with dumbed down sarcastic responses..., I have so far seen and found...

...There should be an 'intelligent responses only' and 'civil answers only' button on each thread that filters out toxic and/or inane responses IMO ...
 
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Being attacked in the bible discussion for whatever reason is bound to happen, but i see it as a test of sorts. How christ like can I be with this attacker? It's a great chance to be humble and loving when someone is being mean and rude to you, not to be looking for an attack of course but when faced with it see how much like christ you are
 
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it seems like some folks on here seem to think they are correct all the time about everything. it is hard to have a discussion with them and not get into a argument. I heard a pastor say once that the best way to handle people with strange doctrines and " out there" ideas is to ignore them.
 
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