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Paul wrote to his kinsmen of Israel...Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? The law is of Mt Sinai and is of bondage. Grace is from Jerusalem which is above and free.
Gal 4:9 How turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements? Legalism is the religion of those who do not trust God but themselves.
The sinner serves the flesh because it is his nature to do so. The believer serves the Lord because it is his new nature to do so. Fish do not swim and birds do not fly to prove themselves they do it because it is their nature to do so. The commandments the believer keeps are written in his/her heart by the Lord. The new heart of flesh that replaced the heart of stone. The heart transplant of grace.

For the cause of Christ
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Our new nature is good and wonderful and we never sin or think evil? Not what Paul said...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Now this was written twenty some years after his conversion.

James says...

Jas 4:5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

John, the Apostle that Christ loved said...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 
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Much error in the idea that the Commandments of God were changed.
It is we the sinner that needs changing from the inside.
That is why we are Baptized in the Holy Spirit to serve in Spirit and Truth.
Law is received through the priesthood. A change of priesthood requires a change of law. The new law is the spirit of life in Christ, and the law of faith.

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Hebrews 7:11-12

 
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Paul wrote to his kinsmen of Israel...Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? The law is of Mt Sinai and is of bondage. Grace is from Jerusalem which is above and free.
Gal 4:9 How turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements? Legalism is the religion of those who do not trust God but themselves.
The sinner serves the flesh because it is his nature to do so. The believer serves the Lord because it is his new nature to do so. Fish do not swim and birds do not fly to prove themselves they do it because it is their nature to do so. The commandments the believer keeps are written in his/her heart by the Lord. The new heart of flesh that replaced the heart of stone. The heart transplant of grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Now let's examine those beggarly elements...

Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

The weak and beggarly elements were something these gentiles were involved in prior to knowing about God, it was the false religion to false gods.

These Galatians were returning to false religion. They were returning to what?

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

Elements of the world, not God's Law.
 

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Rom 8:3-4 For what the law [the Law of Moses] could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us [believers], who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

One who is walking in the Spirit and bearing the fruit of the Spirit is not under the law (Gal 5:18, 22-23).
 
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we were under the law of sin and death.......we are now under the law of mercy and grace....... the law of love. the law of love was always the law and will always be the law......the law was changed only in that it's spiritual meaning and intent were distorted.......it is only done away with in that it's corrupted state has been done away with
 

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Law is received through the priesthood. A change of priesthood requires a change of law. The new law is the spirit of life in Christ, and the law of faith.

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Hebrews 7:11-12

So the Messiah tells us to Keep and Teach the Commandments, are we being faithful by Keeping or not Keeping the Commandments?
 
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Rom 8:3-4 For what the law [the Law of Moses] could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us [believers], who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

One who is walking in the Spirit and bearing the fruit of the Spirit is not under the law (Gal 5:18, 22-23).
Those who are born again DO walk after the spirit. That does not mean they are perfect. or do not have sin issues. It means they are led by the spirit. through Hid guidance, and if need be discipline. This is what separates them from a non believer, A non believer, even though they may appear righteous at times. (many on the outside) is unable to do this..

The thing is, we are saved by grace, Grace can never be earned, or else it is not grace. those teaching you must do something in order to be saved (there is a prerequisite, such as walking in the spirit and not falling) are not teaching grace, they teach law. And this is a false gospel which many on this Earth practice. and as Jesus said, in that day many will be crying out they did all these mighty deeds in his name, Yet Christ will say, depart, I NEVER KNEW YOU. Many will think they know God and God knows them, and they are saved, when they are no more saved than the evil sinner who9 deny's god altogether. They are ALL under sin, because they reject the grace of God and his free GIFT of eternal life, based on on our works of righteousness, But on his mercy and grace through the washing and renewal of the spirit.
 

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And then add this little gem to that...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
yes, and there was only One who kept the whole Law and we glorify that by faith in Him and not our law keeping.
 
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So the Messiah tells us to Keep and Teach the Commandments, are we being faithful by Keeping or not Keeping the Commandments?
your faithfull by following him and not self. ALL sin is self centered, no matter what type it is. We learn the law of faith by looking outward. Anything done with self in mind is sin,

As paul said, we can not be righteous by following the law. It reminds us of sin, and thus tempts us, We stop sin by following the spirit. and seeking his guidance. In a nutshell. it is not thinking do not do this and do not do that, it is thinking this person needs help, how can I help them. These people need this, how can I help them. I am going through a crisis, How can God use me in this crisis to affect others and show them Gods love.

The world does not understand or know how to do this.
 

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Now let's examine those beggarly elements...

Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

The weak and beggarly elements were something these gentiles were involved in prior to knowing about God, it was the false religion to false gods.

These Galatians were returning to false religion. They were returning to what?

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

Elements of the world, not God's Law.
Really? If you continue in Gal 4 Paul tells you that it was the observation of days, months, times and years. Sabbaths? Feast days? Hmmmm. Through the law can only come the knowledge of sin. Sin attaches to the individual when the law is present.
Through the blood of Christ the law is satisfied. There is now no condemnation to those who are under the blood of Christ. Atonement is made in full and administered by the ever living Mediator Christ Jesus. No sin that a believer can sin can ever condemn him. No sinner can escape the condemnation of even the smallest of his sins for he who offends the law in one point is guilty of the whole law. Believers are not perfect only forgiven.
The law cannot give life only death because it can only convict men before God. There is no forgiveness in the law. There is no condemnation in grace.

For the cause of Christ
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And?

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Now explain to me what is wrong with keeping the Law?
because by breaking it even at one point you become cursed as the Deut. passage states.
 

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So the Messiah tells us to Keep and Teach the Commandments, are we being faithful by Keeping or not Keeping the Commandments?
Just like with everything else it depends on your understanding. If your faith requires that you keep the commandments in the power of your flesh then you are likely to teach that. You are not wrong. That is just where your faith is.

But your faith is supposed to grow. You weren't meant to stay in the faith of your flesh keeping commandments. You were meant to come to Christ with a full understanding of the intent of trying to keep those commandments.

Galatians 3:23-26
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.


Only Christ can relieve the heavy burden of your flesh trying to be righteous before Him by keeping the commandments. If you think you are still required to keep the commandments in your flesh then you are right, you are still required...

Those who tell you they are not under law because Christ is their righteousness are also correct...
 
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Just like with everything else it depends on your understanding. If your faith requires that you keep the commandments in the power of your flesh then you are likely to teach that. You are not wrong. That is just where your faith is.

But your faith is supposed to grow. You weren't meant to stay in the faith of your flesh keeping commandments. You were meant to come to Christ with a full understanding of the intent of trying to keep those commandments.

Galatians 3:23-26
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.


Only Christ can relieve the heavy burden of your flesh trying to be righteous before Him by keeping the commandments. If you think you are still required to keep the commandments in your flesh then you are right, you are still required...

Those who tell you they are not under law because Christ is their righteousness are also correct...
Amen. the problem comes in with those who say you are required to keep the law, or God will yank your salvation from you. these are the people who have faith in self and their ability to keep the law. earning Gods love, and Not Christ,

 

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The saints Keep the Commandments of God and have the Testimony of Yahshua the Messiah.

Ah, is it not so then that the Testimony of Yahshua the Messiah teaches one to Keep the Commandments of God?

Above someone offered Matthew 5:17 to 19
The testimony of Jesus Christ is that He saves us even though our flesh cannot keep the Commandments.

Your flesh can't be taught to keep commandments. They are opposed one to the other. They are enemies.

The testimony of Jesus Christ is that when He saves us, He gives us the Holy Spirit and it is by the fruit of This Spirit that the commandments are kept. This is how He causes us to walk in His Statutes.

That is why the Lord Jesus Christ is the only Way. You can't be righteous by the power of your flesh. Only Christ can make you righteous and that is a gift by faith.
 
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So the Messiah tells us to Keep and Teach the Commandments, are we being faithful by Keeping or not Keeping the Commandments?
That was said before he was crucified and fulfilled all the law. The righteousness pointed to by the commandments is what GOD desires. That righteousness is Christ. Walk in him and you will be giving GOD what he wants.
 

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Rom 8:3-4 For what the law [the Law of Moses] could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us [believers], who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

One who is walking in the Spirit and bearing the fruit of the Spirit is not under the law (Gal 5:18, 22-23).
Hmmm, Romans 8:3-4 huh?

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

So the Law could not forgive sin? OK, no problem. What was the problem with the Law? The flesh was weak. OK, got that.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us? OK, so how does that equate to the Law being done away in direct contradiction to Christ's plain statement...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Yet Paul wrote this...

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

In the which he summarizes the Law of love thy neighbor as being the fulfillment of KEEPING the last six Commandments.

Right now are you under the civil law of murder? I woudl assume not, you are not under the law of murder unless you commit murder. I have never killed anyone, so I am not under the law concerning murder. If I kill someone today, it won't take long for me to realize I am now under the law of murder. Since the state I live in has no death penalty, I'll probably rot in prison.

Being under the Law menas you are subject to the Law and it's penalty. Christ paid that penalty for you and me. Example...

A man kills his boss. He is caught tried and found guilty. At the sentencing phase of the proceedings, the judge sentences Him to death. A nice person steps up and says "I know this man is guilty, I know he deserves the death penalty, but I will take it for him." And he does, you are now free to go because this nice person died in your stead. What does that do to the law against murder? Does that do away with the law? Does that make you free to go out and kill your next five bosses? Of course not. Need I explain the analogy above? We are not subject to the Law because Christ died to satisfy this...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Now, first of all, what is sin?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

What puts us under the death penalty?

Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

The answer to sin is not doing away with the Law, that is anarchy. The answer is repentance and forgiveness...

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Our sins are remitted by repenting, being baptized and receiving the Holy Spirit as a consequence.

So what happens when we go back to a life of sin (transgressing God's Law)?

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

God's wonderful grace, the free, unearned pardon for breaking His Law is not license to continue...

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

How does Paul feel about the Commandments?

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Grace is not anarchy, it is the free, unearned, undeserved forgiveness for transgressing the Law, not the doing away with the Law.

Here is what it means to be free from the Law...

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
 
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That was said before he was crucified and fulfilled all the law. The righteousness pointed to by the commandments is what GOD desires. That righteousness is Christ. Walk in him and you will be giving GOD what he wants.
Are you saying that all of Christ's teachings prior to the crucifixion are no longer valid?
 

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The testimony of Jesus Christ is that He saves us even though our flesh cannot keep the Commandments.

Your flesh can't be taught to keep commandments. They are opposed one to the other. They are enemies.

The testimony of Jesus Christ is that when He saves us, He gives us the Holy Spirit and it is by the fruit of This Spirit that the commandments are kept. This is how He causes us to walk in His Statutes.

That is why the Lord Jesus Christ is the only Way. You can't be righteous by the power of your flesh. Only Christ can make you righteous and that is a gift by faith.
Close, but here is what the scripture really says...

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The carnal (means fleshly, unconverted, lacking the Holy Spirit) mind is the enemy of God. It cannot be subject to God's Law. What does it then take to be subject to God's Law?

Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

What was God's lament about those under the Old Covenant?

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Israel did not have the Holy Spirit, they could not be subject to God's Law. The Spirit was given only after Pentecost (Odd, they were keeping one of the Feasts of the Lord Lev 23) 31AD.

And what is the New Covenant?

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Where did the fault lie? God's Law? Nope, with them.

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

This is a direct quote from...

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

And the word for law in verse 33 is...

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

What was it Paul said?

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
 

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Here is what it means to be free from the Law...

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
I liked the way starfield put it better. Seemed more clear and simple...
 

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Close, but here is what the scripture really says...

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The carnal (means fleshly, unconverted, lacking the Holy Spirit) mind is the enemy of God. It cannot be subject to God's Law. What does it then take to be subject to God's Law?

Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

What was God's lament about those under the Old Covenant?

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Israel did not have the Holy Spirit, they could not be subject to God's Law. The Spirit was given only after Pentecost (Odd, they were keeping one of the Feasts of the Lord Lev 23) 31AD.

And what is the New Covenant?

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Where did the fault lie? God's Law? Nope, with them.

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

This is a direct quote from...

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

And the word for law in verse 33 is...

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

What was it Paul said?

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Galatians 3:1-3
[SUP]1[/SUP]O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.