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Personally, I'd be more concerned about leaving my children with anybody that claims that they themselves never sin. Because anybody foolish enough to make such a claim greatly lacks in understanding the destitute nature of their own flesh. Regarding your statement above : The cheap shot and demeaning nature of this statement is something that I would consider sinful ... on your behalf.
If you believe we can't help but sin,, I would ask you why you would even leave children with others? The statement was made to make a point! Obviously, we can keep the Law!!!!!! Obviously, we can and do trust others with our children,, fully believing they can obey the 10 Commandments!

Just because, we all have made the CHOICE to sin, doesn't mean we have to keep sinning. Jesus attested to that when He said "go and sin no more."

We all have sinned. Even if you have only committed one sin at anytime in your life, you need a savior.

Sin is not a must. We don't have to keep sinning.

Again,, I say,,,,This entire thread is about those who beleive they can keep the law as a means to salvation...... And Again I ask,,,, Who are these Christians that this thread is speaking of?

I know of no Christians that are keeping the Commandments as a means for Salvation! I don't beleive there are any! Hence the word "christian"!

In other words, this whole thread is a farce. Can anybody name this Christian group of people that is keeping the Commandments as a means to Salvation? I will wait for that answer, although I know it will never come,,, because there are no Christians keeping the Commandments of a means to gain Salvation. Christians know they are saved by Grace and Grace alone!
 
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All men are saved by grace. Adam is saved by grace. Moses is saved by grace. Job saved by Grace.. and on and on.


We can keep the law. I just laid it out for you that we can. You have been lied to for so long, that you now beleive you must sin.. Kinda like your dad telling you for years you are worthless,, finally, you have come to believe it's true.
You laid it out for me? you spoke of a few of the most popular sins and you think that proves your point? you evidently do not know what sin is.. there are so so many more sins that you have not mentioned.

My daddy? how did he come into the picture? my Abba Father is God.. maybe you would like to meet him? He loved me so much he sent his son to die for me.

I do not go around thinking I can't keep the law. I do not even try to think of the law. paul warns us against this. He said when we do this, it is like your mom says no you can't have a cookee, but it is on your mind and thus you are tempted. And if you continue to dwell on it you risk falling to your temptation and end up steeling the cookie. Sinning against your mom and God. This is what happens to people who continue to dwell on the law..

Paul tells us the way to beat sin is to not look on the law. but on the spirit. If we do this, we will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. But even this is not sinless perfection.

No, I do not dwell on the law or think continuously I can't keep it. I dwell on God and his love, And understand I will continue to need his love and his grace, that way when i do fail. I am not downtrodden or taken out with shame and Guilt. I can come boldly to the throne of Grace knowing my father still loves me and has already forgiven me, And learn to not be taken again by whatever I failed at.


Jesus said "go and sin no more." Did Jesus lie and give a task He knows cannot be done?
The literal translation is continue in sin no more. He never told the person, or us, to never sin again, He would be asking us to do what is impossible.

John says if we (he included himself) state we have (present tense, which means at ANY time in our life) no sin, we decieve ourselves and there is no truth in us..

Face it. If you think you are perfect every minute of every day and are without sin, you are decieved, and there is no truth in you. And that is not me Judging you. that is a man who walked with Christ for 3 years. and spent the rest of his life suffering for the one he loved.



The Thread to this post tells of a group that looks to keeping the law without the sacrifice of Jesus of aquiring heaven.

Who are these Christians that are keeping the law as a mens to acquire heaven? I know of NONE!
You don't know any? You must be isolated. I know of many, Many in here believe this. again read the threads carefully, you will find them, they are all over the place.

But I KNOW sin is a choice. And you obviously believe sin is a must.
Sin is niether a choice or must, It is in our character, our flesh, and as paul said, we still have the flesh, and it wars with the spirit so we do the things we DO NOT WANT TO DO. We are wretched men, Paul could not wait until God freed him from the body of sin on the day of the ressurection, because he know until then, no matter how hard his flesh tried. He would still fail.

Again I must ask you. how much do you know of the law. Do you honestly think you can go 24 hours in one day and never think of self over others? never have a pridefull thought? never have a sin of ommision? if you think you do, you are deceived.


And because you think that way.. Stay away from children,, Cause under your theory, you are bound to rape them.
Man you have a twisted view of things. Mind if I ask what church you go to? I want to warn people to stay away from it. Saying a man will rape because he understands he will continue to sin is just an abomination.

let me ask you. When a man is born again, and given eternal life. Do you think they are assured eternity with God. or can they lose the gift of salvation??
 
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So they justify themselves in their pride. Not yet being convicted of what sin is. Still establishing their own righteousness and refusing the gospel of peace. Terrible.
they are dangerous people. Not only to themselves. but those exposed to their holier than though gospel of works!
 
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Personally, I'd be more concerned about leaving my children with anybody that claims that they themselves never sin. Because anybody foolish enough to make such a claim greatly lacks in understanding the destitute nature of their own flesh. Regarding your statement above : The cheap shot and demeaning nature of this statement is something that I would consider sinful ... on your behalf.
I would call it is sin, because it is self relegating in pride that he has the power to do this.. Thus he contradicts his doctrine with his reality in his own speach!
 
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If you believe we can't help but sin,, I would ask you why you would even leave children with others? The statement was made to make a point! Obviously, we can keep the Law!!!!!! Obviously, we can and do trust others with our children,, fully believing they can obey the 10 Commandments!
this is your first problem. There are MANY more then ten commandments.

Also. if we could even obey the ten, we would no longer have the need for Christ. Grace would cease to be needed, and we could by on works, and earn salvation.

evidently you believe this :(

 
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I know of no Christians that are keeping the Commandments as a means for Salvation! I don't beleive there are any! Hence the word "christian"!

In other words, this whole thread is a farce. Can anybody name this Christian group of people that is keeping the Commandments as a means to Salvation? I will wait for that answer, although I know it will never come,,, because there are no Christians keeping the Commandments of a means to gain Salvation. Christians know they are saved by Grace and Grace alone!
So you're not "saved" by keeping EVERY ASPECT of the law. You just do ? You please God ALWAYS and EVERYTIME in EVERY thought, word and deed ?? I don't. I try to and want to. But I sometimes miss the mark.
 

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this is your first problem. There are MANY more then ten commandments.

Also. if we could even obey the ten, we would no longer have the need for Christ. Grace would cease to be needed, and we could by on works, and earn salvation.

evidently you believe this :(

Actually if God had given only one commandment men could not keep it. Adam proved that the one prohibition God gave in the garden was more than he could follow.

For the cause of Christ
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Actually if God had given only one commandment men could not keep it. Adam proved that the one prohibition God gave in the garden was more than he could follow.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
so true. Adam, who at the time did not have the flesh nature. could not keep one commandment. How anyone thinks we, who do have the flesh nature could obey all of them all the time is beyond me!
 
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So you're not "saved" by keeping EVERY ASPECT of the law. You just do ? You please God ALWAYS and EVERYTIME in EVERY thought, word and deed ?? I don't. I try to and want to. But I sometimes miss the mark.
It is better to aim and miss than it is to not aim and hit.

I'm married. I am faithful to my wife. I honor her by keeping the vows I agreed to, the day of our wedding. The reason I keep those vows is simply because I love her. Loving my wife is what led me to keep the vows I made.

"If ye Love me, keep My commandments." Commandment-keeping is the fruit of loving God & Loving your neighbor.

Again,, I don't know of any Christian group that is keeping the Commandments as a means of Salvation. Commandment-keeping is a result of Loving Jesus.

How can I say, I love my wife with all my heart, and then have an affair? Does that not make me a liar?

We can keep the Law. To sin is a choice. Sin is always a choice. And yes, we all have chosen to sin at least once. And that one time makes it a fact that we need a Savior.

If you are married and you think we can't help but sin,, please explain that to your wife so that she won't be upset when you are having an affair.

Im done with this thread. The whole thread is a complete farce,, because there are no Christians that are keeping the law as a means of Salvation.. If you stand behind the banner of Christ, you obviously are counting on Grace. Commandment-keeping is a result of being grateful of the sacrifice of a Loving God.

I'm done. I give you people the last word. Say whatever you like. I will no longer respond on this thread.
 
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Again,, I don't know of any Christian group that is keeping the Commandments as a means of Salvation. Commandment-keeping is a result of Loving Jesus.
So you do not know of ANY GROUP which states once a person is saved, that they will lose their salvation if they do not live up to some standard? or do enough ritual?

Again, you must have been hidden in a whole someplace all these years. Paul spoke against it in most of his writings. as also did most of the NT authors. The problem of false gospels did not go away once scripture was complete. if anything it came full force..
 
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I'm done. I give you people the last word. Say whatever you like. I will no longer respond on this thread.
I see, You can't answer questions. and you make false claims. Yet you are sick of us and now your gonna run.. I hope you find the truth my friend. This world system satan has is a dangerous place. and I fear you are still falling for his half truths!
 
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I implore you to repent of teaching another gospel that leads people away from Christ. People save themselves through faith in GOD's grace (unmerited love).
Faith = Faithfulness = Doing

ie. Faith being the active dynamic of yielding to God due to being fully persuaded in the mind IS NOT another Gospel.

Read Hebrews 11 and faith is clearly tied to action. Faith is not passive.

Simply "trusting" in God's grace APART from being a doer of the word is not enough.

James taught that faith is active by connecting it to deeds for James understood that faith "works." Hence he said that "he would demonstrate his faith by his deeds" and that "faith alone (faith with no deeds)" is the faith of devils.

Why would someone condemn those who preach "doing" unless they want a Gospel where one does not have to be a doer?

Jesus said to STRIVE, DO, DIG DEEP, DENY SELF, FOLLOW which all involve DOING SOMETHING.

It is true we are not saved by works in the context of the "deeds of the law" but we are most definitely saved by the "deeds of faith" which are part and parcel of "working together" with God.

It is what the Bible teaches. Noah had to build the Ark, not simply trust in God and do nothing. Building the Ark was essential for it was the means by which Noah worked together with God whereby the grace of God was made effectual to the saving of his family from the flood.

Likewise it is by obedience to the truth through the Spirit that the heart is made pure (2Pet 1:21).

No obedience = No purity.

Faith = Obedience.

Obedience to what? Obedience to Jesus Christ. Abiding in Him, in His Spirit, walking in the Spirit giving ourselves over to the will of God for Him to work through us whereby we are born of God manifesting the light of God THROUGH us. It is in this that the true children of God are made MANIFEST to the world.
 
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Galatians 3:13 KJV
(13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Romans 6:23 KJV
(23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Christ has freed us from the penalty of sin. Christ also has freed us from the power of sin

Romans 6:14 KJV
(14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

So being under grace means we are free from the power of sin.
 
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If you believe we can't help but sin,, I would ask you why you would even leave children with others? The statement was made to make a point! Obviously, we can keep the Law!!!!!! Obviously, we can and do trust others with our children,, fully believing they can obey the 10 Commandments!

Just because, we all have made the CHOICE to sin, doesn't mean we have to keep sinning. Jesus attested to that when He said "go and sin no more."

We all have sinned. Even if you have only committed one sin at anytime in your life, you need a savior.

Sin is not a must. We don't have to keep sinning.

Again,, I say,,,,This entire thread is about those who beleive they can keep the law as a means to salvation...... And Again I ask,,,, Who are these Christians that this thread is speaking of?

I know of no Christians that are keeping the Commandments as a means for Salvation! I don't beleive there are any! Hence the word "christian"!

In other words, this whole thread is a farce. Can anybody name this Christian group of people that is keeping the Commandments as a means to Salvation? I will wait for that answer, although I know it will never come,,, because there are no Christians keeping the Commandments of a means to gain Salvation. Christians know they are saved by Grace and Grace alone!
Under the new covenant it's no longer whatever is done against the 10 commandments is sin, but whatever is not of faith is sin. This is a much different law that embodies the righteousness of the 10 commandments, but the essence of its obedience is diametrically opposed to the practice of keeping law. In keeping law, one tries to save himself; in faith one realizes one does not possess the righteousness required to obey the law and yields to the righteousness of the law that is freely given through faith.

As far as a group that thinks they have to keep the law to be saved, look at the 7th day adventists.
 
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Under the new covenant it's no longer whatever is done against the 10 commandments is sin, but whatever is not of faith is sin. This is a much different law that embodies the righteousness of the 10 commandments, but the essence of its obedience is diametrically opposed to the practice of keeping law. In keeping law, one tries to save himself; in faith one realizes one does not possess the righteousness required to obey the law and yields to the righteousness of the law that is freely given through faith.

As far as a group that thinks they have to keep the law to be saved, look at the 7th day adventists.
7th Day Adventists do not teach salvation by keeping the law. If you think that they do you have either been misinformed or have not studied the teachings of the SDA church for yourself.

10. Experience of Salvation:
In infinite love and mercy God made Christ, who knew no sin, to be sin for us, so that in Him we might be made the righteousness of God. Led by the Holy Spirit we sense our need, acknowledge our sinfulness, repent of our transgressions, and exercise faith in Jesus as Lord and Christ, as Substitute and Example. This faith which receives salvation comes through the divine power of the Word and is the gift of God's grace. Through Christ we are justified, adopted as God's sons and daughters, and delivered from the lordship of sin. Through the Spirit we are born again and sanctified; the Spirit renews our minds, writes God's law of love in our hearts, and we are given the power to live a holy life. Abiding in Him we become partakers of the divine nature and have the assurance of salvation now and in the judgment. (2 Cor. 5:17-21; John 3:16; Gal. 1:4; 4:4-7; Titus 3:3-7; John 16:8; Gal. 3:13, 14; 1 Peter 2:21, 22; Rom. 10:17; Luke 17:5; Mark 9:23, 24; Eph. 2:5-10; Rom. 3:21-26; Col. 1:13, 14; Rom. 8:14-17; Gal. 3:26; John 3:3-8; 1 Peter 1:23; Rom. 12:2; Heb. 8:7-12; Eze. 36:25-27; 2 Peter 1:3, 4; Rom. 8:1-4; 5:6-10.) Adventist.org: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church
This is one of the official teachings of the SDA church with the link so that you can check for yourself.
 

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...We can keep the Law. To sin is a choice. Sin is always a choice. And yes, we all have chosen to sin at least once...
OK. So you choose to stop sin for good now. Good luck to 'ya.
 
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Why would someone condemn those who preach "doing" unless they want a Gospel where one does not have to be a doer?
Because your version is anti-faith. Your gospel is salvation by the will of man, i.e. his doing. That is nothing but righteousness via law.

When asked what people should do to DO the WORKS of GOD, Jesus said to believe into him:

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that you believe into him whom he has sent. John 6:28-29


Believing into Christ involves the mind and heart. Faith is being persuaded of what GOD has said he will do, and trusting that he will do it. The work of faith subdues the old man, which allows the spirit to produce fruit of itself, against which there is no law.

Your 'faith' is nothing more than a mental belief that what you DO justifies yourself before GOD. Loser.
 
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Faith = Faithfulness = Doing

ie. Faith being the active dynamic of yielding to God due to being fully persuaded in the mind IS NOT another Gospel.

Read Hebrews 11 and faith is clearly tied to action. Faith is not passive.

Simply "trusting" in God's grace APART from being a doer of the word is not enough.

James taught that faith is active by connecting it to deeds for James understood that faith "works." Hence he said that "he would demonstrate his faith by his deeds" and that "faith alone (faith with no deeds)" is the faith of devils.

Why would someone condemn those who preach "doing" unless they want a Gospel where one does not have to be a doer?

Jesus said to STRIVE, DO, DIG DEEP, DENY SELF, FOLLOW which all involve DOING SOMETHING.

It is true we are not saved by works in the context of the "deeds of the law" but we are most definitely saved by the "deeds of faith" which are part and parcel of "working together" with God.

It is what the Bible teaches. Noah had to build the Ark, not simply trust in God and do nothing. Building the Ark was essential for it was the means by which Noah worked together with God whereby the grace of God was made effectual to the saving of his family from the flood.

Likewise it is by obedience to the truth through the Spirit that the heart is made pure (2Pet 1:21).

No obedience = No purity.

Faith = Obedience.

Obedience to what? Obedience to Jesus Christ. Abiding in Him, in His Spirit, walking in the Spirit giving ourselves over to the will of God for Him to work through us whereby we are born of God manifesting the light of God THROUGH us. It is in this that the true children of God are made MANIFEST to the world.
How much obedience would be considered purity? How much disobedience would be considered impure? what is the standard.

Those who have faith WILL WORK. that is what James said. Those who do not have faith will not.

That is hugely different from saying one can lose salvation based on not being good enough!


Faith is a true trust. True trust by its nature will CAUSE GOOD WORKS.
 
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My friend, you are missing the point of writing the Law in our hearts...

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

Hating someone, even disdaining someone, counting them inferior to you is tantamount to breaking the sixth Commandment.

I have not missed any point. A faith that works by love emanating from a pure heart does not disdain or hate. It is in this that we love our enemies and go the extra mile. It is via a faith that works by love which is rooted in being plugged into God whereby it is no longer us but Christ in us, for we are crucified with Him and raised up with Him.

Thus our righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees who only had an external adherence to outward commands. We have internal adherence to the love of God which has been shed abroad in our hearts for we have yielded to God in truth.


I see this used a lot but it disagrees with what Paul says...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Paul says that he would not know sin except it were defined by the Law.

Indeed, the law is a school master which points to Christ. The was and is but a shadow of love and points to what righteousness ought to externally look like. Thus one ought not kill, steal, lie, lust or cheat. A man without the law of God written upon the heart needs the law as a guide for their conduct but we whom are in Christ need no such guide for we are governed by the law of love for we walk in the Spirit of which the fruit is always good, love, peace, joy etc.

The Law saves no one. It defines right and wrong. A long time ago, our parents had to make a choice, would they accept that only God can determine right and wrong or would they try to determine it for themselves. To rob a phrase from The Last Crusade, they chose poorly...

Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

So the Law defines sin for us. God sets before us a choice...

Very true but there is the law of conscience as well for death ruled from Adam to Moses without their being a written law. Men sinned against conscience and thus reaped sins wages.

There is also a distinction between the letter and spirit of the law. Without the spirit the law is but dead letters, a mere shadow of something greater. Hence Jesus would teach that man was not made for the Sabbath but the Sabbath was made for man. The law was a guiding benefit to man but was never intended to be set in stone whereby man served the law apart from the spirit. Thus healing on the Sabbath may have broken the letter but was within the spirit and the spirit is greater.


Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deu 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

The Law directs our steps in the good and right way to live...

Read 2 Corinthians chapter 3 and Galatians chapter 5 where Paul writes about the Spirit versus the letter.

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Psa 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Psa 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
Psa 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
Psa 19:13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

Psa 119:98 Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.
Psa 119:99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
Psa 119:100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.
Psa 119:101 I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word.
Psa 119:102 I have not departed from thy judgments: for thou hast taught me.
Psa 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Psa 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Psa 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Psa 119:106 I have sworn, and I will perform it, that I will keep thy righteous judgments.

Amen.

Now what happens when we stray from this path? It is called sin...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

This is where grace comes in, Christ forgives our sin through grace. Grace is the unearned, unmerited pardon for sins committed. David understood this...

Grace abounding when sin abounds is an example of God's patience with sinners that they may repent and return to Him. So while grace is unconditional in the sense that it has appeared to all men teaching them the way to go (Tit 2:11-12) and while God is willing to forgive anyone who will forsake their unrighteousness (Exe 18), grace is not to be treated as a license to keep on sinning (Rom 6:1-2).

God's forgiveness while being "underserved" is not "unconditional." God's is merciful to those who confess and forsake their sin (Pro 28:13), to those who approach Him with a true heart (Heb 10:22) seeking to be cleansed ala David in Psalm 51:10.

Psa_32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Having no guile and being forgiven of sins is closely connected. The guile within a man is rooted out in repentance whereby one can come before God with a heart that is completely honest having forsaken all rebellion. God is willing to forgive those who come to Him in such a fashion for blessed are the poor in spirit, blessed are those who mourn, blessed are those who are meek. It is these people who are able to meekly receive the implanted word which is able to save the soul having forsaken all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness.


It is via a contrite heart produced by godly sorrow that one finds them hungering and thirsting for righteousness. God will fills us with His Spirit when we approach Him in such a manner.


Psa 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?
Psa 130:4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.

Psa 51:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
Psa 51:2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
Psa 51:3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
Psa 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Psa 51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
Psa 51:7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Psa 51:8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
Psa 51:9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Psa 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
Psa 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
Psa 51:14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.
Psa 51:15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Psa 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.
Psa 51:19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.

Psalm 51 is a very moving prayer that David prayed in repenting of adultery with Bathsheba and the murder of Uriah. David understood forgiveness and the coming sacrifice of Christ...

David understood genuine repentance.

Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.


There is no forgiveness apart from repentance. The sacrifice of Jesus is of no effect (to the saving of the soul) to those who refuse to repent. Satan knows this and thus has redefined repentance via the introduction of doctrines which teach that the rebellion never stops.

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;