The Homosexual Threat

[schoolofyoungprophet]

i like one preacher who said the problem with modern christianity is that it has no teeth,the other one said do you define your christianity by your experiences and what you have seen and not by the word of God.
anyone can pull out scriptures from and here and there and say ahh haa but read it in context, aw tozer once said obey the word of God and if u have to suffer the consequences then suffer ,
Leonard ravenhill once said if Jesus preached the same message as most of the preachers do he would have never been crucified,
Homosexuality is a sin,abortion is a sin and God hates it, we love ppl we want to see them set free just as christ set us free,
anyways i see it lot on tv its simply agenda

 

[oldhermit]

I gotta call you on this one. Just where in scripture does God say he will condemn homosexuals to hell?

1Cor. 6"9-10 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

Jude 1:7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire."

I will start with these.

 

[JesusChica1991]

I gotta call you on this one. Just where in scripture does God say he will condemn homosexuals to hell?

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men--1 COR 6:9

He's not just talking about men. The words "men" in this context are talking to both men AND women.

 

[Blain]

1Cor. 6"9-10 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

Jude 1:7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire."

I will start with these.

Not a very good start because neither of these scriptures claim it is our place to judge the unrighteous. Again I say Let he without sin throw the first stone.

 

[JesusChica1991]

Not a very good start because neither of these scriptures claim it is our place to judge the unrighteous. Again I say Let he without sin throw the first stone.

Yes, Jesus said not to judge. However, he taught through his apostles that we are to rebuke the sins of our brothers and sisters in Christ. But this is to be done with an attitude of love and concern instead of condemnation or "I told you so" attitude.

 

[oldhermit]

Not a very good start because neither of these scriptures claim it is our place to judge the unrighteous. Again I say Let he without sin throw the first stone.

Like I said earlier, God has already judged regarding this issue. I am merely reading what the Judge has decreed. He is the one who said that such as these will be punished in eternal fire. Their only hope lies in repentance. NOT in defending and rationalizing their behavior.

 

[oldhermit]

Yes, Jesus said not to judge. However, he taught through his apostles that we are to rebuke the sins of our brothers and sisters in Christ. But this is to be done with an attitude of love and concern instead of condemnation or "I told you so" attitude.

Jesus never gave any prohibition against junging. This is a gross misrepresentation of what Jesus said.

 

[zone]

Not a very good start because neither of these scriptures claim it is our place to judge the unrighteous. Again I say Let he without sin throw the first stone.

God judges those outside the church.
we are to judge those inside.
is there homosexuality committed and an excused inside the church?
clearly...since we have ppl here who do so.

 

[Blain]

Jesus never gave any prohibition against junging. This is a gross misrepresentation of what Jesus said.

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[zone]

I gotta call you on this one. Just where in scripture does God say he will condemn homosexuals to hell?

cough cough

you mean repentant homosexuals who are changed and changing, and controlling those lusts, putting them to death?

or unrepentant practicing homosexuals?

you don't know?

 

[joeyruready]

1Cor. 6"9-10 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

Jude 1:7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire."

I will start with these.

sorry, it still doesn't say what you said does it? "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
this would mean none of us will inherit the kingdom of God wouldn't it? Romans 3:10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;

The part you are missing is that none of us will inherit the kingdom of God separate from God's grace. You nor I nor anyone who has lived or ever will live can inherit the kingdom of God separate from the grace of god. We are saved by grace through faith.

“Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you."

By the way, IF what God intended to say was that all those who had sinned in such ways were going to hell, I am pretty sure he would have said that clearly. It is the unrighteous that Go to hell. Does homosexuality make a person unrighteous? Well that depends on if they hate it or not doesn't it? When we say scripture says this or that, or God said this or that, we should be very careful not to put words into God's mouth that he didn't say. It is the unrighteousness that are condemned. My righteousness does not come from me but from God.

Your words"I do not have the right to condemn the homosexual to hell. God said he would do this." This is not in scripture.
I agree that the unrighteous do not inherit the kingdom of God, but isn't it strange how most people overlook the list of unrighteousness and focus just on homosexuality and single it out?

Isnt Christ's blood sufficient to cover these sins as well as mine? I think it is but what do I know. I think I read somewhere, the only thing that matters is faith expressing itself through love. God's grace and peace be with you.

 

[oldhermit]

sorry, it still doesn't say what you said does it? "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
this would mean none of us will inherit the kingdom of God wouldn't it? Romans 3:10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;

The part you are missing is that none of us will inherit the kingdom of God separate from God's grace. You nor I nor anyone who has lived or ever will live can inherit the kingdom of God separate from the grace of god. We are saved by grace through faith.

“Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you."

By the way, IF what God intended to say was that all those who had sinned in such ways were going to hell, I am pretty sure he would have said that clearly. It is the unrighteous that Go to hell. Does homosexuality make a person unrighteous? Well that depends on if they hate it or not doesn't it? When we say scripture says this or that, or God said this or that, we should be very careful not to put words into God's mouth that he didn't say. It is the unrighteousness that are condemned. My righteousness does not come from me but from God.

Your words"I do not have the right to condemn the homosexual to hell. God said he would do this." This is not in scripture.
I agree that the unrighteous do not inherit the kingdom of God, but isn't it strange how most people overlook the list of unrighteousness and focus just on homosexuality and single it out?

Isnt Christ's blood sufficient to cover these sins as well as mine? I think it is but what do I know. I think I read somewhere, the only thing that matters is faith expressing itself through love. God's grace and peace be with you.

You seem to have a rather limited grasp of scripture. Perhaps we need to look at the difference between those who are forgiven and why they stand as forgiven in contrast to those who refuse to repent and trun away from their behavior. This is the difference between those of 1Cor. 6:9-10 and those of verse 11 - "And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." That behavior change as a result of the hearing of the gospel. Please understand I do not hate homosexuals. I do not want them to suffer the fate that God has decreed for this and OTHER SUCH sinful lifestyles.

 

[PennEd]

The thing about this is, does repentance mean we stop sinning? I think scripture clearly answers this question as we can see from its pages sins of even the apostles. To make it dramatically clear though lets examine some scriptures.

Hate what is evil, cling to what is good.
The good I want to do I do not do but the evil I do not want to do that I keep on doing. So if I do the very thing I hate, no longer is it I doing it but sin which indwells me.
stop judging by mere appearance.

Well I can clearly see if a person is gay or not if they tell me. But what no one can see or really know is if they hate it or not. Does scripture teach us anywhere that because we hate something we will not longer do it? No. IN fact Paul shows us clearly he continued to do things he hated. Remember Paul went around healing others, even raised the dead...yet was sinful. Repentance is about turning to God and away from the world. It is about hating evil. The evil each of us must hate first and foremost is the evil that comes from us. Look into the mirror and remember what you look like. I look like a sinner. I look wretched pitiful poor blind and naked. I look like the worst of all sinners. NO, I do not condone homosexuality nor do I condone abortion or any other sin however, my own mind is full of evil thoughts. God tells me to think about whatever is true noble right pure lovely and admirable, yet often I think of things that are none of these. I think I know just a little bit about love. Enough to know I can not possibly love another person outside of the power of God. I need God's power to love any person and I am continually asking God to help me to love others, and I am continually falling short.

If we want the moral fabric of our nation to be improved first we need to humble ourselves before God, then before one another. We need to take responsibility for each other and not be like Cain. Instead of saying to God, what am I my brothers keeper? we should be saying, yes God, just as Jesus died for me so too I must sacrifice myself for all others. WE should not be considering wrongs suffered. Love does no such thing. We should be patient and kind, putting others before ourselves. Is this love? or is it something else.

may God's grace and peace be with each of you

Joey, thank you for wishing Grace and peace. To you also.

You didn't address my primary point, which is that most in the homosexual community do not call their sinful lusts SIN. Yes we will all continue to sin while we're in our fleshly bodies, but we must confess our sin and pray for strength to stop. I KNOW I was "born with" the desire to have sex with every attractive woman I see. Are you saying that because I was born with that desire I should not only succumb to it but call it merely a lifestyle choice and not sin?

 

[Bryan95]

what?!

 

[Water1944]

Sin is sin. God defines sin in His word. We are all sinners and it is up to God to judge not us. I believe in God and His word. I read so much anger and judgement on people who are gay and on their lifestyle. Where is the anger towards people who hurt children, or plant bombs that kill and hurt people? We need to hate the sin and love the sinner. To me the person who beats up someone who is gay, has way more to be worried about when he stands in front of Jesus than the gay person. Heaven help me if I ever become so strong in my faith, that I forget to love and lead by example.

 

[notuptome]

Somebody has not read romans 1:19-32 God tells us that men with men and women with women is unnatural. vs 32 Who knowing the judgment of God that they who commit such things are worthy of death not only do the same but have pleasure in them that do them.
God judges that they are worthy of death. The do these perversions against nature and delight in them. It is a choice to fulfill the lust of the flesh.
They can be saved just like every other sinner but John 3:19 says that men go back into the darkness because they do not want their deeds to be made manifest.
Seems like most other sins are natural except the sin of sodomy. I don't say they cannot be saved and receive the new nature but it sure seems like it is more difficult for them. Don't know for certain because God doesn't tell me.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Bryan95]

You know what, I just decided I am gay, come at me america;]

What?!

 

[JimJimmers]

How do you feel about the assault on the moral fabric of out nation that is fueled by the homosexual comminity?

It is of no concern to me. Heaven is my home. Look at Rome during the time of the early church! I am responsible for my own moral fabric, and that of my brethren.

 

[oldhermit]

Somebody has not read romans 1:19-32 God tells us that men with men and women with women is unnatural. vs 32 Who knowing the judgment of God that they who commit such things are worthy of death not only do the same but have pleasure in them that do them.
God judges that they are worthy of death. The do these perversions against nature and delight in them. It is a choice to fulfill the lust of the flesh.
They can be saved just like every other sinner but John 3:19 says that men go back into the darkness because they do not want their deeds to be made manifest.
Seems like most other sins are natural except the sin of sodomy. I don't say they cannot be saved and receive the new nature but it sure seems like it is more difficult for them. Don't know for certain because God doesn't tell me.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

In Romans 1, the apostle Paul outlines the four stages of social deterioration.

1. It begins with the suppression of truth. This, he describes as the rejection of the Word of God. This distills into idolatry. Consequently, God gave them over to it,18-23.

2. This then, deteriorated into Moral depravity which hedefines as the dishonoring of their bodies. So, God gave them over
again, 24-25.

3. This in turn produced the embrace of homosexuality. God gave them over yet again, 26-28.

4. Society then bottomed out submitting themselves to absolute depravity of both mind and body. Notice that here God does not give the over to further decline because they could decline no farther. Of these God says, “they who commit such things are worthy of death, not only who do the same, but who have pleasure in them that do them."

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

But you also have political responsibilities. I've seen so many Christians use this as a cop out just as I've so many use worship as a form of escapism (like video games, movies, hobbies, etc... are to the non-Christian).

I know you so I know that's not what you are saying here. Forgive me for taking your post to make a point. I just want to make the point that we also have political and social responsibilities and that Christianity is not a pass out of them.

It is of no concern to me. Heaven is my home. Look at Rome during the time of the early church! I am responsible for my own moral fabric, and that of my brethren.