The Homosexual Threat

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So, I take it by this that you regard homosexuality as a moral positive.
Then you take it wrong. I consider homosexuality less offensive than judging another mans servant particularly when the judgment is coming from someone who is supposed to be saved by grace.
 
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How do you feel about the assault on the moral fabric of out nation that is fueled by the homosexual comminity?
Anyone who has followed the media over the past few decades will have seen it's relentless push to intimidate and con society into accepting the homosexual agenda. Even the education system forces this agenda upon children. There is no debate permitted on this push to force the homosexual agenda upon society. Any who dare to disagree are ridiculed/abused into silence and irrelevance.

But the homosexual agenda is just part of the assault on the moral fabric of societies.
Abortion and divorce are already socially acceptable wrongs in our societies.

It's a messed up world we live in.
 

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You know what, I just decided I am gay, come at me america;]
 

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It comes down to people wrongly believing it's a choice rather than just being born that way.

I didn't make a choice to be attracted to women. I just am. I could never sleep with another man, not because of what god says but because I simply don't find men attractive!

People here seem to be under some delusion that we are all walking around with an intense desire to sleep with men but are resisting thanks to strength given to us by god and the ones who do give into this temptation don't believe in god.

It really doesn't work like that. No rational thinking person would think its a choice. Not with the hatred they have to endure after making it.
The homosexuals defence is a rationalization process by which people attempt to normalize deviant choices that cannot be justified through any psychological exercise. It is simply an attempt to placate a concience that cannot harmonize the thing one desires and the moral limitations that prohibit the behavior. Trying to pass homosexuality off as a fetal anomaly in just a form of rationalization.
 

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The original poster couldve mentioned any group of people and make a comment about their sins. But this was a deliberate singling out of gay people. Quite sinister really.
sinister?
you gotta be kiddin:rolleyes:

the homosexual (non-agenda) spontaneous movement is responsible for a lot more than sodomy in the breakdown of morality in the countries where it is celebrated - in SOME people's opinions.

only a fee fringe elements here claim to be without sin.

but most are trying to align their lives and morasl with what GOD ALMIGHTY HAS SAID.

if the OP had said:

How do you feel about the assault on our nation that is fueled by the community attempting to force sharia law down our throats?

the tearing limb from limb would have begun.

purleeze.

there would have been plenty of 'moral' outrage.

homosexuality is an abomination.
some here used to be among them, and testify to to the destruction of the "gay" community itself as a result, not to mention the utter .....eh.

forget it
 
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The homosexuals defence is a rationalization process by which people attempt to normalize deviant choices that cannot be justified through any psychological exercise. It is simply an attempt to placate a concience that cannot harmonize the thing one desires and the moral limitations that prohibit the behavior. Trying to pass homosexuality off as a fetal anomaly in just a form of rationalization.
One sec, ima call my buddy Jesus. Ring ring ring, ring ring ring... Hello? Jesus? How's it hanging? your gonna be so proud of me man, I bashed the gays today! what? what do you mean it's not my place to judge? Only you are? oops... my bad
 

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Then you take it wrong. I consider homosexuality less offensive than judging another mans servant particularly when the judgment is coming from someone who is supposed to be saved by grace.
It is not my intention to function as judge. God is the Judge. He has already decreed his judgment on this matter. All I can do is read what the Judge has decreed. Since God has condemned it is he then to be seen as a threat to society?
 

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One sec, ima call my buddy Jesus. Ring ring ring, ring ring ring... Hello? Jesus? How's it hanging? your gonna be so proud of me man, I bashed the gays today! what? what do you mean it's not my place to judge? Only you are? oops... my bad
hello Blain, this is the some other jesus you called:

the real Jesus said, via the Holy Spirit through Paul:

Romans 1:27
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
 

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It is not my intention to function as judge. God is the Judge. He has already decreed his judgment on this matter. All I can do is read what the Judge has decreed. Since God has condemned it is he then to be seen as a threat to society?
that's what they're saying.
sinister; judging...blah blah blah.

PC is cooler.
i look good among my liberal friends.
 

Blain

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hello Blain, this is the some other jesus you called:

the real Jesus said, via the Holy Spirit through Paul:

Romans 1:27
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
But until the Lord does so we are not to judge them, Jesus is the judge not us
 

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But until the Lord does so we are not to judge them, Jesus is the judge not us
I think you are misrepresenting the issue of whether or not christians have the right to judge what sin is.
 

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I think you are misrepresenting the issue of whether or not christians have the right to judge what sin is.
We recognize the sin, judging it is not our Job. We have no right to judge sin because we ourselves our sinners. Tell one scripture where Jesus says judge sinners, where in the Gospel does Jesus condemn the sinners?
 
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It is absolutely true that we all sin and my own lusts of the flesh may be equal to OR worse than homosexual lusts. The BIG difference is I won't tell you that my sin isn't sin!! REPENTANCE! THAT is the key to one of the most quoted verses by those trying to justify theirs or others sin.John 8:7And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” BUT they NEVER quote what Jesus says to HER! John 8:11[SUP]11 [/SUP]She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Go and sin no more. Repentance MUST follow forgiveness.





The thing about this is, does repentance mean we stop sinning? I think scripture clearly answers this question as we can see from its pages sins of even the apostles. To make it dramatically clear though lets examine some scriptures.

Hate what is evil, cling to what is good.
The good I want to do I do not do but the evil I do not want to do that I keep on doing. So if I do the very thing I hate, no longer is it I doing it but sin which indwells me.
stop judging by mere appearance.

Well I can clearly see if a person is gay or not if they tell me. But what no one can see or really know is if they hate it or not. Does scripture teach us anywhere that because we hate something we will not longer do it? No. IN fact Paul shows us clearly he continued to do things he hated. Remember Paul went around healing others, even raised the dead...yet was sinful. Repentance is about turning to God and away from the world. It is about hating evil. The evil each of us must hate first and foremost is the evil that comes from us. Look into the mirror and remember what you look like. I look like a sinner. I look wretched pitiful poor blind and naked. I look like the worst of all sinners. NO, I do not condone homosexuality nor do I condone abortion or any other sin however, my own mind is full of evil thoughts. God tells me to think about whatever is true noble right pure lovely and admirable, yet often I think of things that are none of these. I think I know just a little bit about love. Enough to know I can not possibly love another person outside of the power of God. I need God's power to love any person and I am continually asking God to help me to love others, and I am continually falling short.

If we want the moral fabric of our nation to be improved first we need to humble ourselves before God, then before one another. We need to take responsibility for each other and not be like Cain. Instead of saying to God, what am I my brothers keeper? we should be saying, yes God, just as Jesus died for me so too I must sacrifice myself for all others. WE should not be considering wrongs suffered. Love does no such thing. We should be patient and kind, putting others before ourselves. Is this love? or is it something else.

may God's grace and peace be with each of you
 

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Here is my view on the gays, I do not encourage it but i am not going to see them any less than myself. I will slowly and lovingly encourage them to change their ways, I will NOT judge them or condemn them.
 

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We recognize the sin, judging it is not our Job. We have no right to judge sin because we ourselves our sinners. Tell one scripture where Jesus says judge sinners, where in the Gospel does Jesus condemn the sinners?
There is a great deal of difference between condemning someone to hell and judging between what is right and wrong, good or evil. I do not have the right to condemn the homosexual to hell. God said he would do this. Christians are however, obligated to judge between what is good and what is sin.
 

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There is a great deal of difference between condemning someone to hell and judging between what is right and wrong, good or evil. I do not have the right to condemn the homosexual to hell. God said he would do this. Christians are however, obligated to judge between what is good and what is sin.
So I misunderstood judge and you will be judged then?
 
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There is a great deal of difference between condemning someone to hell and judging between what is right and wrong, good or evil. I do not have the right to condemn the homosexual to hell. God said he would do this. Christians are however, obligated to judge between what is good and what is sin.
I gotta call you on this one. Just where in scripture does God say he will condemn homosexuals to hell?
 

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Why do you think it improper to judge between what is right and wrong?
Because you misunderstand the judging part. The judging between right and wrong is knowing what is right and wrong, not judging others.
 
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The Bible may say not to judge. But that comes from a root word meaning not to condemn anyone's soul as that is not our place. The Bible clearly says we are also to rebuke sins of our brothers in Christ. Christ told his children to repent. Yes, we all struggle with particular sins. But there is a line between a struggling homosexual who does not practice and a practicing homosexual who is unrepentant and does not care for what Christ or the Bible says.