gal 3:10-12 to those who keep looking law ward.
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One thing people have to remember when studying Gods word.
Not everyone to whom the letters of the apostles were written were saved.
1. Some were impostors
2. Some had not yet fully repented
3. Some where saved.
when reading, we must read and take into account what particular passage is being said to who?
paul warns alot of people about not returning to law. why? many of them were not yet saved, and could easily be taken back to law. that is why the book of hebrews was written. To warn those people not to return to law. because if they did, they would fall from grace,,.. why? they had not yet beein saved, someone born of God, as John said, will never depart and be against christ, the ones who do were never of us (never saved)
Not everyone to whom the letters of the apostles were written were saved.
1. Some were impostors
2. Some had not yet fully repented
3. Some where saved.
when reading, we must read and take into account what particular passage is being said to who?
paul warns alot of people about not returning to law. why? many of them were not yet saved, and could easily be taken back to law. that is why the book of hebrews was written. To warn those people not to return to law. because if they did, they would fall from grace,,.. why? they had not yet beein saved, someone born of God, as John said, will never depart and be against christ, the ones who do were never of us (never saved)
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In my last statement I didn't Say God hated the person.... But God is not going to be happy with that person that sins , Unless they change.
David actually loved God. and made mistakes, of which God dealt with David for those things. for Example :
2 Samuel 12:9-13
King James Version (KJV)
9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
God had a plan for David : 9 maybe I'm not understanding this, but Christ was part of the King line of David , on Marys side )
John 7:42
King James Version (KJV)
42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
Romans 1:3
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3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
2 Timothy 2:8
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8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
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You got that right. We are saved only by grace and not by works of the law. It is a free gift. So whats your redeemer say? Is there something we must do to receive this free gift?
ISAIAH 48 [17] THUS SAITH THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
Are you listening to Him?
ISAIAH 48 [17] THUS SAITH THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
Are you listening to Him?
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we are not worthy by what we do. We are made worthy by what Christ did. This is called justification (declared innocent of all wrongdoing)
col. 2 : 8 - 19 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he made alive together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
col. 2 : 8 - 19 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he made alive together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
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So your saying a person who truly repents based on true faith, and not just mere belief, would not be like David? That they could go on living in sin and not change?
That is not what I read in the NT. I read they were never saved, because their faith was dead, it was nonexistant. We are saved by faith, not mere belief..
Those who have faith will change, will work. It is a BYproduct of their true faith.
Those who do not will not work.. and they were never saved. They may have believed they were, but they were not!
That is not what I read in the NT. I read they were never saved, because their faith was dead, it was nonexistant. We are saved by faith, not mere belief..
Those who have faith will change, will work. It is a BYproduct of their true faith.
Those who do not will not work.. and they were never saved. They may have believed they were, but they were not!
. I'm just sharing some bible verses for people to consider about anything related. I'm trying not to rush to conclusions . That's it.
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it is the work of God we believe in the one he sent.
Rom 10 : 9 - 13 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “?Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.?” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.?”
I did.
1. The law proves I am rightly condemned
2. The sin which I commit, not only separates me from God. but hurts me and those around me.
3. God wants to save me, and also change my life, so I have a better life.
I trust God in all he said.
How can I be saved? By faith in his word..based on the hope of his calling.
Now that I am saved, how can I live a fulfilling life? By learning to do things his way (spirit) and not my way (sin).
have you found out how to come to a relationship with Christ and recieve eternal forgiveness? or are you still searching??
Rom 10 : 9 - 13 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “?Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.?” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.?”
I did.
1. The law proves I am rightly condemned
2. The sin which I commit, not only separates me from God. but hurts me and those around me.
3. God wants to save me, and also change my life, so I have a better life.
I trust God in all he said.
How can I be saved? By faith in his word..based on the hope of his calling.
Now that I am saved, how can I live a fulfilling life? By learning to do things his way (spirit) and not my way (sin).
have you found out how to come to a relationship with Christ and recieve eternal forgiveness? or are you still searching??
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Why do you people always make false accusation? Who said there is no law? I said the law cannot save me, it brings me to a knowledge of sin, because I failed to keep the law. This brings me (hopefully) to a knowledge of God, because since I have failed to do it the only way I can save myself (the law) I must be redeemed, because my punishment is earned.
I repent of what?
1. I am a sinner. as found by the law. Thus I deserve my punishement (death)
2. I can not save myself. I can never be good enough to be saved. I am already guilty (according to the law) and have no hope of every earning the right to be granted permission to go to heaven, My only hope is eternal death.
3. The sin I do i think is for my own pleasure, does not give me any pleasure, only a momentary high, and it is hurting myself and others.. and destroying my life.
4. Since I can not save myself. nor can I stop sin by myself. I need someone to help me. That someone is Christ.
That is true repentance, it is true humility, and gives GOD all the credit.
I repent of what?
1. I am a sinner. as found by the law. Thus I deserve my punishement (death)
2. I can not save myself. I can never be good enough to be saved. I am already guilty (according to the law) and have no hope of every earning the right to be granted permission to go to heaven, My only hope is eternal death.
3. The sin I do i think is for my own pleasure, does not give me any pleasure, only a momentary high, and it is hurting myself and others.. and destroying my life.
4. Since I can not save myself. nor can I stop sin by myself. I need someone to help me. That someone is Christ.
That is true repentance, it is true humility, and gives GOD all the credit.
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Both.. The ten commands are PART OF THE LAW.. you can not separate the two.
doing so would be in error..
Why did they sacrifice animals? because they sinned or broke the commands (alot more than ten, get off the ten bit)
As paul said, if your going to go back to law, your indebted to fulfill the whole law. that means sinless perfection, or you have to slay an animal (a priest) every time you sin..Have to be circumcised etc etc....
there is no other way to heaven, this is what the law teaches.
Christ became the only lamb that could remove the penalty of sin, that is why the law is done away with. the sacrifice of animals could never take away sin. No one in the OT was saved by the law. no one ever was. Everyone from Adam till the last person ever to get saved will or have been saved by faith in the promises of God. thats it period!
You say you believe in the works of God. Do you believe in the One who opened His mouth in parables? Who established a testimony?
Psalm 78:1-7 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:
Do you believe the WORKS OF GOD
Psalm 78:1-7 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:
Do you believe the WORKS OF GOD
Both.. The ten commands are PART OF THE LAW.. you can not separate the two.
doing so would be in error..
Why did they sacrifice animals? because they sinned or broke the commands (alot more than ten, get off the ten bit)
As paul said, if your going to go back to law, your indebted to fulfill the whole law. that means sinless perfection, or you have to slay an animal (a priest) every time you sin..Have to be circumcised etc etc....
there is no other way to heaven, this is what the law teaches.
Christ became the only lamb that could remove the penalty of sin, that is why the law is done away with. the sacrifice of animals could never take away sin. No one in the OT was saved by the law. no one ever was. Everyone from Adam till the last person ever to get saved will or have been saved by faith in the promises of God. thats it period!
Sooo. Your not going to show me the scripture?
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I believe in the only work of God which matters, the death of his son.. Which is what jesus was trying to tell the people in John 6..
I guess you do not believe him??
You should study John 6.. What did God promise to ALL who received the food which God would give us which would endure forever?? and what was this food which would endure to eternal life??
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Both.. The ten commands are PART OF THE LAW.. you can not separate the two.
doing so would be in error..
Why did they sacrifice animals? because they sinned or broke the commands (alot more than ten, get off the ten bit)
As paul said, if your going to go back to law, your indebted to fulfill the whole law. that means sinless perfection, or you have to slay an animal (a priest) every time you sin..Have to be circumcised etc etc....
there is no other way to heaven, this is what the law teaches.
Christ became the only lamb that could remove the penalty of sin, that is why the law is done away with. the sacrifice of animals could never take away sin. No one in the OT was saved by the law. no one ever was. Everyone from Adam till the last person ever to get saved will or have been saved by faith in the promises of God. thats it period!
Sooo. Your not going to show me the scripture?
what good are sacrifices if there is no command?
Keep trying to think you are getting it.. Your not helping your case.
The law and commands have to go together otherwise there is no point.
Commands without a law of what to do when you break them mean nothing
A law without commands are meaningless.. because you could never be guilty of anything to have a reason for the law.
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Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
How can the knowledge of sin come from the law, unless the commands are considered part of the law??
You wanted scripture, you have it!
How can the knowledge of sin come from the law, unless the commands are considered part of the law??
You wanted scripture, you have it!