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Interesting in light of Peter's vision in Joppa per Acts 10 & 11. Further the decision regarding Gentiles where they were not to be burdened with the Jewish laws. Acts 15:19-29

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Did not paul have to rip Peter a new one because he was doing this very thing??
 
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Might lead one to believe that Peter was a slow learner.

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that, and the fact it was hard for even him to break away from the old ways and the law.. especially around his fellow jews!
 

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Interesting in light of Peter's vision in Joppa per Acts 10 & 11. Further the decision regarding Gentiles where they were not to be burdened with the Jewish laws. Acts 15:19-29

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ACTS 15 [17] That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. [18] Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. [19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among THE GENTILES are turned to God: [20] But that we write unto them, that THEY ABSTAIN FROM POLLUTIONS OF IDOLS, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. [21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

ACTS 15 as a whole was speaking as to whether gentiles needed to be circumcized or not.

ACTS 15 [4] And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. [5] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That IT WAS NEEDFUL TO CIRCUMCISE THEM, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

ACTS 15 [24] Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, YE MUST BE CIRCUMCISED, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Nothing to do with the 10 commandments. So lets look into what pollution of idols {V 20} is all about. What I found was very as always, when you let scripture interpret scripture

LEVITICUS 19 [3] Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and KEEP MY SABBATHS: I am the Lord your God. [4] TURN YE NOT UNTO IDOLS, NOR MAKE TO YOURSELVES MOLTEN GODS: I am the Lord your God.

LEVITICUS 26 [1]Ye shall MAKE YOU NO IDOLS NOR GRAVEN IMAGE, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God. [2] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

EZEKIEL 20 [16]Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, BUT POLLUTED MY SABBATHS: FOR THEIR HEART WENT AFTER THEIR IDOLS.

I don’t know what the connection might be as to why graven images and idols are a sign that you don’t keep Gods sabbath but if the WORD says so I believe it. I know the churches that do keep the sabbath don’t have any standing images or crosses. Well, least the ones I know. Also, the guys and gals that go to these churches dont wear molten gods about their necks. On the other hand all the sunday mornin go to meeting churches do have their images and their followers have their molten gods around their necks, in their cars and in their houses
 

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Interesting in light of Peter's vision in Joppa per Acts 10 & 11.
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ACTS 10 [9] On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:[10] And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,[11] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:[12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.[13] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.[14] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.[15] And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.


ACTS 10 [25] And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.[26] But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.[27] And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.[28] And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but GOD HATH SHEWED ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN.

Peter explains the sheet and what God has showed him it meant
 

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Some of us do eat a clean (kosher means clean) diet...

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

And where do we find in the Word of God where meats are set apart or sancitifed?

Lev 11 and Deut 14
Yes John832
And lets not forget

2 COR. 6 [16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for YE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [17] Wherefore come out from among them, and BE YE SEPARATE, saith the Lord, AND TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING; and I will receive you, [18] And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

This NEW TESTAMENT scripture tells us as believers we are not to touch the unclean thing
 

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Might lead one to believe that Peter was a slow learner.

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He must have been a slow learner if the unclean was cleansed at this time...

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

I notice that Peter did not run right down and order surf and turf with a shrimp cocktail appetizer. He was not a slow learner, he knew that the Laws of clean and unclean had not been repealed.

If he was a slow learner, oh that I could learn as slowly as he did.
 
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Now EG, there ya go again. That was all about circumcision and not the ten commandments
Now Wall, There you go again,

1. it was about eating unclean meat
2. There ya go separating the law again. The ten commands are a part of the law given to moses. Mosaic law and all it includes is what is spoken of when yo usee the word law. Paul proves this when he says he would not know sin except for the law (commands)
 

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ACTS 15 [17] That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. [18] Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. [19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among THE GENTILES are turned to God: [20] But that we write unto them, that THEY ABSTAIN FROM POLLUTIONS OF IDOLS, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. [21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

ACTS 15 as a whole was speaking as to whether gentiles needed to be circumcized or not.

ACTS 15 [4] And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. [5] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That IT WAS NEEDFUL TO CIRCUMCISE THEM, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

ACTS 15 [24] Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, YE MUST BE CIRCUMCISED, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Nothing to do with the 10 commandments. So lets look into what pollution of idols {V 20} is all about. What I found was very as always, when you let scripture interpret scripture

LEVITICUS 19 [3] Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and KEEP MY SABBATHS: I am the Lord your God. [4] TURN YE NOT UNTO IDOLS, NOR MAKE TO YOURSELVES MOLTEN GODS: I am the Lord your God.

LEVITICUS 26 [1]Ye shall MAKE YOU NO IDOLS NOR GRAVEN IMAGE, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God. [2] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

EZEKIEL 20 [16]Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, BUT POLLUTED MY SABBATHS: FOR THEIR HEART WENT AFTER THEIR IDOLS.

I don’t know what the connection might be as to why graven images and idols are a sign that you don’t keep Gods sabbath but if the WORD says so I believe it. I know the churches that do keep the sabbath don’t have any standing images or crosses. Well, least the ones I know. Also, the guys and gals that go to these churches dont wear molten gods about their necks. On the other hand all the sunday mornin go to meeting churches do have their images and their followers have their molten gods around their necks, in their cars and in their houses
Those injunctions in Acts 15 were established so as not to offend the Jewish believers.
 

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ACTS 15 [17] That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. [18] Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. [19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among THE GENTILES are turned to God: [20] But that we write unto them, that THEY ABSTAIN FROM POLLUTIONS OF IDOLS, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. [21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

ACTS 15 as a whole was speaking as to whether gentiles needed to be circumcized or not.

ACTS 15 [4] And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. [5] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That IT WAS NEEDFUL TO CIRCUMCISE THEM, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

ACTS 15 [24] Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, YE MUST BE CIRCUMCISED, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Nothing to do with the 10 commandments. So lets look into what pollution of idols {V 20} is all about. What I found was very as always, when you let scripture interpret scripture

LEVITICUS 19 [3] Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and KEEP MY SABBATHS: I am the Lord your God. [4] TURN YE NOT UNTO IDOLS, NOR MAKE TO YOURSELVES MOLTEN GODS: I am the Lord your God.

LEVITICUS 26 [1]Ye shall MAKE YOU NO IDOLS NOR GRAVEN IMAGE, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God. [2] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

EZEKIEL 20 [16]Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, BUT POLLUTED MY SABBATHS: FOR THEIR HEART WENT AFTER THEIR IDOLS.

I don’t know what the connection might be as to why graven images and idols are a sign that you don’t keep Gods sabbath but if the WORD says so I believe it. I know the churches that do keep the sabbath don’t have any standing images or crosses. Well, least the ones I know. Also, the guys and gals that go to these churches dont wear molten gods about their necks. On the other hand all the sunday mornin go to meeting churches do have their images and their followers have their molten gods around their necks, in their cars and in their houses
Its all about attitude. If you offend the law in any one part you are guilty of the entire law. The law cannot produce righteousness. The law has no mercy. The law has no provision for grace.
Those who endeavor to keep the law impress no one but themselves.

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Now EG, there ya go again. That was all about circumcision and not the ten commandments
Law is law. Law is not grace. No forgiveness in the law only judgment and condemnation. No escape.

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He must have been a slow learner if the unclean was cleansed at this time...

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

I notice that Peter did not run right down and order surf and turf with a shrimp cocktail appetizer. He was not a slow learner, he knew that the Laws of clean and unclean had not been repealed.

If he was a slow learner, oh that I could learn as slowly as he did.
You really cannot prove what Peter had for dinner but one thing is clear. Peter was as bigoted religiously as any Pharisee. Took Peter a lot of hard lessons to see the breadth of Gods mercy and grace.

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ISAIAH 66 [15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.[17] THEY THAT SANCTIFY THEMSELVES, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, EATING SWINE'S FLESH, and the abomination, and the mouse, SHALL BE CONSUMED together, saith the LORD.

This is a Day of the Lord scripture. That's when Jesus returns with fire. Wonder why He is gonna consume those eating swines flesh (the unclean thing)if its as youse claim.
 

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Now Wall, There you go again,

1. it was about eating unclean meat
2. There ya go separating the law again. The ten commands are a part of the law given to moses. Mosaic law and all it includes is what is spoken of when yo usee the word law. Paul proves this when he says he would not know sin except for the law (commands)
It is not about eating and not about clean and unclean, it is about a Jew associating with the gentiles...

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

Joh 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Which is, by the way, the subject of Acts 10. It is not about clean and unclean meats.
 

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Now Wall, There you go again,


2. There ya go separating the law again.
There WE go again

JOHN 7 [21] Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.[22] MOSES THEREFORE GAVE UNTO YOU CIRCUMCISION; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.[23] If a man on the sabbath day RECEIVE CIRCUMCISION, THAT THE LAW OF MOSES SHOULD NOT BE BROKEN; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

In above scripture we find Jesus separating the law of circumcision and the 10 commandments

1 COR. 7 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Paul does the same

EXODUS 24 [12] And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to meinto the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, AND a law,AND commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
 
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ISAIAH 66 [15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.[17] THEY THAT SANCTIFY THEMSELVES, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, EATING SWINE'S FLESH, and the abomination, and the mouse, SHALL BE CONSUMED together, saith the LORD.

This is a Day of the Lord scripture. That's when Jesus returns with fire. Wonder why He is gonna consume those eating swines flesh (the unclean thing)if its as youse claim.
Has nothing to do with swine's flesh but God knows their works and their thoughts. All who rebel against God will be consumed. The church, those who are in Christ, are not present when this takes place. Already glorified with Christ.

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It is not about eating and not about clean and unclean, it is about a Jew associating with the gentiles...

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

Joh 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Which is, by the way, the subject of Acts 10. It is not about clean and unclean meats.
It symbolizes religious bigotry. Exactly what Paul addresses in Col 2:20-22

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Has nothing to do with swine's flesh but God knows their works and their thoughts. All who rebel against God will be consumed. The church, those who are in Christ, are not present when this takes place. Already glorified with Christ.

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Roger
How is it that the words swine's flesh have nothing to do with swine's flesh?
 

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Has nothing to do with swine's flesh
Roger
ISAIAH 66 [17] THEY THAT SANCTIFY THEMSELVES, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, EATING SWINE'S FLESH, and the abomination, and the mouse, SHALL BE CONSUMED together, saith the LORD.

Im beginning to understand how youse come up with your beliefs. Just ignore the written Word that flys in the face of your doctrines