gal 3:10-12 to those who keep looking law ward.
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You still have not answered. Why is it you demand everyone answer your question when you always refuse to answer theres?
As for sin. Sin is ANYTHING done with self in mind (not loving God or neighbor)
As for the law. You already broke it. Thus your already without hope.. and it can never save you. because you already broke it.. The law condemns you and I, thus how can it save you?
again. 1 sin is all it takes.
so again, why are you trying to excuse your sin, and how much sin do you think is the cut off? (saved vs unsaved?)
As for sin. Sin is ANYTHING done with self in mind (not loving God or neighbor)
As for the law. You already broke it. Thus your already without hope.. and it can never save you. because you already broke it.. The law condemns you and I, thus how can it save you?
again. 1 sin is all it takes.
so again, why are you trying to excuse your sin, and how much sin do you think is the cut off? (saved vs unsaved?)
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We are not bound to anything, johnny, but we should WANT to be slaves to Christ, we should WANT to suffer like Christ, and, if you read Peter you will understand the latter truth.
Like eg says, and, hey, hi, eg, long time no debate , er, talk
, we have the law to point out that we do sin. The law shows us that we, indeed , NEED a Saviour
Like eg says, and, hey, hi, eg, long time no debate , er, talk
, we have the law to point out that we do sin. The law shows us that we, indeed , NEED a Saviour
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We are not bound to anything, johnny, but we should WANT to be slaves to Christ, we should WANT to suffer like Christ, and, if you read Peter you will understand the latter truth.
Like eg says, and, hey, hi, eg, long time no debate , er, talk , we have the law to point out that we do sin. The law shows us that we, indeed , NEED a Saviour
Like eg says, and, hey, hi, eg, long time no debate , er, talk
, we have the law to point out that we do sin. The law shows us that we, indeed , NEED a Saviour
Hey bro good to see ya!
LOL BRO
we disagree on much.
but the Cross is there.
and the incurable deceitful; corrupt SINFUL TRANSGRESSING (REBELLION) ,Man IS there...apparently it helps some to make a FAKE distinction.
because the FATHER HAD MERCY AND DREW that sinner to Jesus. SOME.
from one monergist to another - it's all that matters, in our world of debate.
end transmission.
copy that brother
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In Christ, Christians "cannot sin" refers to the fact that we're not under the law for righteousness.
And remember Rom 3:19
what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law
Instead of being under the law to prove righteousness through perfect obedience to the law, we see Rom 4:5 state that our faith that is counted for righteousness.
As Christians are not under the law for righteousness, then that means we cannot be charged of sin/transgression of the law (1John 3:4).
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
But, also remember that the sin the world is convicted of is unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9.
And it's this sin that Christians can fall into if they are not wary.
Heb 12:1
Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us
See Heb 12:15-17 to understand what sin Heb 12:1 speaks about.
looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God (unbelief in Jesus which is the sin the world is convicted of, John 16:9); lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled; lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright. For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears (no place for repentance is confirmed also in Heb 6:4-6).
And how does one fall short of the grace of God?
See Gal 5:4
You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
So anyone who has "tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come", (Heb 6:4,5), but then falls away by turning back to the law to determine righteousness, such have fallen from grace and made themselves a transgressor/Sinner.
Gal 2:18
if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor/Sinner.
But, I suspect a lot of legalists have never even "tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come", hence they still have opportunity to repent of their dead works.
The sin the world is convicted of is unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9 (and being under the law is unbelief).
We are to keep His commandment to believe in Jesus, without spot, and blameless.
1Tim 6:12-14
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession (confess Jesus, Rom 10:9) in the presence of many witnesses. I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing,
And remember Rom 3:19
what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law
Instead of being under the law to prove righteousness through perfect obedience to the law, we see Rom 4:5 state that our faith that is counted for righteousness.
As Christians are not under the law for righteousness, then that means we cannot be charged of sin/transgression of the law (1John 3:4).
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
But, also remember that the sin the world is convicted of is unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9.
And it's this sin that Christians can fall into if they are not wary.
Heb 12:1
Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us
See Heb 12:15-17 to understand what sin Heb 12:1 speaks about.
looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God (unbelief in Jesus which is the sin the world is convicted of, John 16:9); lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled; lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright. For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears (no place for repentance is confirmed also in Heb 6:4-6).
And how does one fall short of the grace of God?
See Gal 5:4
You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
So anyone who has "tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come", (Heb 6:4,5), but then falls away by turning back to the law to determine righteousness, such have fallen from grace and made themselves a transgressor/Sinner.
Gal 2:18
if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor/Sinner.
But, I suspect a lot of legalists have never even "tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come", hence they still have opportunity to repent of their dead works.
The sin the world is convicted of is unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9 (and being under the law is unbelief).
We are to keep His commandment to believe in Jesus, without spot, and blameless.
1Tim 6:12-14
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession (confess Jesus, Rom 10:9) in the presence of many witnesses. I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing,
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I agree with eternally-gratefull that scripture shows that not even one sin is acceptable. It must be perfect obedience to the law.
As we all fail this perfection, I cannot understand why you then oppose yourself by wanting to remain under the ministry of condemnation/death that was done away with, 2Cor 3:7.
As we all fail this perfection, I cannot understand why you then oppose yourself by wanting to remain under the ministry of condemnation/death that was done away with, 2Cor 3:7.
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Rom 3:19
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
But, Christians are not under the law, Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9.
Instead, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
But, Christians are not under the law, Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9.
Instead, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5
So you’re proposing inability to sin?
Okay, so what about other sins e.g. Rev 21:8? God pretends that they aren’t sin?
What's your understand of walking after the flesh?
Why did Paul mention the following? Does God sort of "pretend" that they aren't sin?
Colossians 3:5-8
5. Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6. For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7. In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Would God's wrath come upon those who disobey by doing those things if He does in fact pretends that they aren't sins?
How exactly does one go under the law to attain righteousness? What was the context of Paul's admonition to the believers in Galatia?
Okay, so what about other sins e.g. Rev 21:8? God pretends that they aren’t sin?
What's your understand of walking after the flesh?
Why did Paul mention the following? Does God sort of "pretend" that they aren't sin?
Colossians 3:5-8
5. Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6. For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7. In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Would God's wrath come upon those who disobey by doing those things if He does in fact pretends that they aren't sins?
How exactly does one go under the law to attain righteousness? What was the context of Paul's admonition to the believers in Galatia?
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God says in His word we cannot sin.
BTW, this is referring to the new creation in Christ.
As for our imperfect physical body, it's already dead (by faith) because of sin, Rom 8:10. Hence we don't judge righteousness by it's behavior.
Note how God says we cannot sin.
1John 3:9.
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
1Pet 4:1
Therefore, since Christ suffered (crucified) for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind (our old man crucified with him, Rom 6:6), for he who has suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) has ceased from sin,
But if you proposing Christians do sin, then what sin is it that they can be charged with?
It can't be the sin of transgression of the law (1John 3:4) as we're not under the law so we can't be charged with the sin of transgression.
It can't be the sin of unrighteousness (1John 5:17) as our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
It can't be the sin of unbelief in Jesus (John 16:9) as we do believe in Jesus.
So what sin can be charged against Christians which does not contradict scripture such as 1John 3:9 and 1Pet 4:1 and Rom 8:33.
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Scripture is to be spiritually discerned, 1Cor 2:14. If we read it as a natural man would then we misunderstand it.
Hence we look to scripture for what Rev 21:8 refers to.
Murderers for example speaks of the flesh killing the spirit. Remember we see types throughout scripture, such as Cain who murdered Abel (also others types such as sheep v's Goats, wheat v's tares, Jacob v's Esau, etc).
Likewise mankind is in warfare between the flesh and the spirit as to who will rule in each of us. If the flesh kills the spirit, as in the type we see of Cain killing Abel, then Rev 21 is referring to these as murderers. Rev 21:8 is speaking about unbelievers, using varied labels for them.
Consider also who is a "liar", as spoken of in Rev 21:8.
1John 2:22
Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?
So Rev 21:8 is describing those who are in sin of unbelief, which happens to be the sin the world is convicted of, John 16:9.
Walking in the flesh is to be in sin of unbelief. For example, anyone who is under the law to prove righteousness, such are in the flesh.
Through their deeds of the law to prove righteousness, they reject that Christ's sacrifice sanctified us because they refuse to accept this sanctification until they see evidence by their deeds of the law.
Walking in the flesh is fornication with Hagar/works of the law for righteousness, Gal 4:25.
1 Timothy 3:16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
Romans 9:1[ Israel’s Rejection of Christ ] I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
Romans 9:1[ Israel’s Rejection of Christ ] I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
Romans 7, Paul concluded that we with theunredeemed flesh serve the law of sin and death, and with the hidden man of the heart the law of God
We have a choice, and if we do not wish to sin and find ourselves sinning we are sining with the flesh and that flesh is no longer us those that do not want to harm their neighbor.
So the fight is to either walk by flesh (Old Man) or by the Spirit of God the New Man born again by the resurrected Christ.
And each and every day we have the choice to learn from God when we are walkiing by God and when we are walking by flesh
Now if one truly waqnts not sin to control them and does seek after the Spirit of God through christ then
Romans 8:1[ Free from Indwelling Sin ] There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. [SUP]8 [/SUP]So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
We have a choice, and if we do not wish to sin and find ourselves sinning we are sining with the flesh and that flesh is no longer us those that do not want to harm their neighbor.
So the fight is to either walk by flesh (Old Man) or by the Spirit of God the New Man born again by the resurrected Christ.
And each and every day we have the choice to learn from God when we are walkiing by God and when we are walking by flesh
Now if one truly waqnts not sin to control them and does seek after the Spirit of God through christ then
Romans 8:1[ Free from Indwelling Sin ] There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. [SUP]8 [/SUP]So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Okay, so you earlier said that Christians can go back under the law, which is a sin, and we should be wary of that, and now you're saying that Christians are unable to sin. Isn't that a contradiction?
You completely redefine sin, Haz. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to convey.
Once again I ask, does God pretend that these aren't sins, if (according to you) unbelief is the only damnable sin?
Colossians 3:5-8
5. Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6. For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7. In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Would God's wrath come upon those who disobey by doing those things if in fact they aren't sins?
What does it mean to mortify your members?
But that verse distinguishes unbelief from other sins.
You completely redefine sin, Haz. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to convey.
Once again I ask, does God pretend that these aren't sins, if (according to you) unbelief is the only damnable sin?
Colossians 3:5-8
5. Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6. For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7. In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Would God's wrath come upon those who disobey by doing those things if in fact they aren't sins?
What does it mean to mortify your members?
But that verse distinguishes unbelief from other sins.