whats your opinion on atheism ?

[NiceneCreed]

Quote from this article written by physicist Victor Stenger:
Victor Stenger: Absence of Evidence Is Evidence of Absence

"This doesn't bother most believers because they have heard many times that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."However, just repeating a statement over and over again does not make it true. I can think of many cases where absence of evidence provides robust evidence of absence. The key question is whether evidence should exist but does not. Elephants have never been seen roaming Yellowstone National Park. If they were, they would not have escaped notice. No matter how secretive, the presence of such huge animals would have been marked by ample physical signs -- droppings, crushed vegetation, bones of dead elephants. So we can safely conclude from the absence of evidence that elephants are absent from the park."

You are correct in asserting that, “repeating a statementover and over again does not make it true.” Yet simply because one repeats sound information does not make ituntrue. In fact, it was Carl Sagan whowas originally quoted as saying “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence,”in his 1980 book, Cosmos. Therefore, itis not merely theologians, Christian apologists, or philosophers who hold tothis truth. Regardless of whethertheologians or scientists reference this quote innumerably, it does not make itany less true, simply because one finds it to be cliché. Yet, the point is not to argue whether or nota statement is cliché, but, instead, to learn if that same statement isfactual. I used Carl Sagan's quotebecause I found it to be grounded in logic.

I would now like to address the analogy you had given – as towhy lack of evidence is sometimes evidence of absence. The analogy you providedis limited, in that, you equate God, who is spirit, to something which isphysical (i.e., an elephant). How can one empirically state there is no God,when acquiring empirical evidence requires one to make observations within thenatural universe? If God is spirit, thenone cannot make physical observations of His existence. This does not, however, imply He [God] doesnot exist. It merely means He isunobservable within the boundaries of the natural universe. Additionally, while there is no presence ofelephants in some locations due to geographical confinement, you attempted tonegate the omnipresence of God. God isnot bound by the confines of the universe; yet, God’s presence transcends eventhe universe which He created. There is,however, sufficient evidence of God’s existence found in His creation itself. Recall briefly, Romans 1:20 (NewInternational Version, 2011): “For since the creation of the world God'sinvisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearlyseen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are withoutexcuse.”

I would like to take this opportunity to invite you toreceive Jesus Christ as your personal savior. Send me a private message, if you would like to know how to do so.

Grace and Peace!

 

[damombomb]

My opinion is this, I hope they believe in the Lord Jesus before it is too late. It is nothing to mess around with. The Lord is
not gonna tarry forever.When he returns every knee will bow and every tounge confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. To the glory
of God the Father

 

[NiceneCreed]

I wanted to point out there is a glitch in some of my posts, and it conjoins words together when it should not. I hope it is not too difficult on the eyes.

 

[KJVBIBLECATOWNER]

No. It's a 106-year old Armenian woman defending her home. I do not know the context of the picture or her religious beliefs or her life.

I feel it's more powerful and filled with way more meaning than a picture of a cat. >.>

And I am not a Christian posing as an unbeliever, I can assure you of that.

Why is it that some of the religiously inclined get so defensive/offensive when anyone even hints that they don't believe in God even when they aren't even trying to disprove God or admit they are searching for God? Seems counterproductive to your evangelism mission doesn't it?

I used light humour and silliness to provoke a response, to tell you this ........ We are all sinners, we have all lied, stole, etc. The Bible, Gods Holy Word, says in Romans 3 verse 10 - There is none righteous no not one - I am a sinner. Romans 3 verse 23 says For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God - We are all failures, and sinners, Romans 6 - 23 - says the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through faith in Jesus. We have an appointed time of death because of our sin nature, Hebrews 9 verse 27 - It is appointed unto a man once to die, and after that the judgement. Oh friend I repent, and I ask you to please forgive me, the Lord has taught me by reading ACTS to call no man unclean, I apologize, my name is Kristofor ( and yes Im a cat - owning christan ) I deserve nothing but death and Hell. I rebelled and broke all Gods Commandments ( see EXODUS chpt 20 ) But the Lord Jesus was not willing that I should perish and through his gracious Holy mercy, he saved me. The Lord Jesus became flesh and blood man, and led a perfect sinless life. He died and paid my debt to God that I could never pay ( see Ephesians 2 verses 8 and 9, and Galations 2 verse 16 ) so I could have eternal life through faith in His death, burial and resurrection. I can NEVER work my way into heaven, the Lord Jesus did 100 percent of the work. I repented to God, and acknowledged my worthles sinful life, asked for forgiveness ( see 1st John chapter 1 verse 9 ) and am saved from Hell. Praise Jesus! Now I have a love for Gods word, Isreal, and a mansion in heaven! The Lord Jesus did the same for you, and this is the gospel of Jesus. Romans 10 verse 13, and ACTS 2 verse 21 say - All those that call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Friend .... the reason the Lord Jesus Christ led you here was to hear the gospel, and that God through his mercy might grant you repentance and life saving faith through our Lord Jesus Christ. I am here to pray with you and love you. Friend Hell is real. Death is un - avoidable, and Jesus Christ 100 percent loves you and wants you to be with him. Please soften your heart and consider this seriously. Oh and my picture is silly ..... read proverbs 17 verse 22 to find out why. Amen yours in Christ , Kristofor

 

[homwardbound]

Man created the concept of god, of course people who are convinced of this "feel him". If they don't they lose their sanity in their beliefs.

If he really was all around us, I want him to show himself to me. None of that touchy feely stuff, I want to see him. I want physical evidence of his existance and until that time comes, your an idiot for saying "all atheists will never change their mind". It sickens me that people think god is so logical yet cannot prove him without the bible.

I don't care if you believe in him in all that, but the minute you attack on people like me for not believing, don't be surprised at the outcome

No attack from me to you, I just see what I see and you will too, not sure how, just am sure you will see and then make your final conscious choice to either believe or not, I love this about God free choice, even though others take it away or just try to, I see you as wise, therefore you shall know, and thus decide
Thanks for your post

 

[homwardbound]

Oh I don't know, 2000 years ago people had these apparent divine upliftings and wrote down what their messed up brains told them.

If that never happened, christianity would not be the same. People want god to be true so badly that they will make stuff up

Emotions,feelings of get in the way of truth

 

[homwardbound]

No harm done here. "Messed up brains" doesn't sound very nice, is all.

maybe that is why God said renew your mind? To what would be the question? God's view point in the Spirit from heaven after the resurrection of christ. How does God now see us? As sinners or as redeemed, reconciled, forgiven, for why? So he can do what? Raise us the new life in the Spirit of God, truth, emotions, feelings outof the way? I wonder hmm!!!!!!!!!! just some meat to eat.

 

[homwardbound]

More like, a lack of belief in god or the supernatural.

Something created all this yes? something had to, God to me is like oxygen, you can't see it, but is needed for life not just for here and now, becuase if there is no after life when we die physically, then allthese posts here and wherever else is all for nothing
As 1 cor 15 points to, if there is no resurrection then we are still in our sins
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:12-20[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]The Resurrection of the Dead[/h][SUP]12 [/SUP]But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? [SUP]13 [/SUP]If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. [SUP]15 [/SUP]More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. [SUP]19 [/SUP]If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

 

[homwardbound]

The its too complicated argument.

boils down to this the battle left is the battle between flesh and Spirit of God!!!!!!!!!!

 

[basebool]

This is the first time I've been on CC in months. Different players same game. Basebool, you have a strong opinion for someone so young. In all the textbooks, or telescopes you will never find the answer of life. Nobody can officially create a protein. The complexities of the simplest life and how they function still baffle experts in the field. So without any proof, and I dare say any, of macroevolution can anybody deny the existence of creation. God left His fingerprints. They are all over you. How you were created, your ability to create, just your cardiovascular system is a marvel let alone your neurological system. The chemistry involved in how your body stores fat, creates antibodies and adapts to different climates. This isn't a happy meal toy. It is engineering mastery. If you decide to ignore the lack of transitional fossils at least question if all these changes took place over billions of years, why has their been a lack of mass mutations in your lifetime. To go from a single cell to a human would take billions upon billions of failed attempts continually happening around the world every second for trillions of years then what just stop? Leave no remains of dogmen and monkeyfish? To believe in the lack of a creator alone would take more faith than any Christian has in God. Once you accept that hey, if I was created, then why? It doesn't take long to find the evidence that Christ was the only Messiah foretold and delivered. You can't just read a chapter or two out of a book and decide it doesn't make sense. It's a whole story. The Bible needs to be understood completely as a whole. Now to answer the question what do I think of atheists. I think mostly they are just like us only misguided. They have zeal for their faith as we do. They think they are right like we do. They get a little heated when challenged like we do. Perhaps if we were more like Christ and less like them they too would see why we follow the only True God and His Son Jesus Christ.

That comes from evolution and it is a done deal. I was evolved after millions of years of life forms and so were you. Act like it

 

[basebool]

Something created all this yes? something had to, God to me is like oxygen, you can't see it, but is needed for life not just for here and now, becuase if there is no after life when we die physically, then allthese posts here and wherever else is all for nothing
As 1 cor 15 points to, if there is no resurrection then we are still in our sins
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:12-20[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]The Resurrection of the Dead[/h][SUP]12 [/SUP]But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? [SUP]13 [/SUP]If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. [SUP]15 [/SUP]More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. [SUP]19 [/SUP]If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

Actually we can see it under heavy microscopic levela. And even if we couldn't, we can detect it with various other tools.

To say we should accept things that you can't see or detect is nonsense

 

[basebool]

Emotions,feelings of get in the way of truth

Im glas you admit that the bible is faulty

 

[Grey]

To be fair basebool, this is their opinions on the subject, although they are interesting.

 

[basebool]

To be fair basebool, this is their opinions on the subject, although they are interesting.

I understand, but when there's a truth to it, you can have an opinion on the truth. But it's dishonest to say the truth is wrong when it's been proven

 

[NiceneCreed]

You have proven yourself to be very honest with yourself. I hope that someday you will come to find the grace and peace of Jesus Christ!

 

[Zero_Kool]

Atheism are just lost sheeps, waiting to be found. Albert Einstein was atheism turned to christen, Admitting that a human has a soul and proven that with his notes:

One of most basic laws of science is the Law of the Conservation of Energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another.


Energy is not currently being created. The universe could not have created itself using natural processes because nature did not exist before the universe came into existence. Something beyond nature must have created all the energy and matter that is observed today. Present measures of energy are immeasurably enormous, indicating a power source so great that "infinite" is the best word we have to describe it.


The logical conclusion is that our supernatural Creator with infinite power created the universe. There is no energy source capable to originate what we observe today.

 

[Grey]

Atheism =x= science

Again only a comment your opinions are what matter

 

[woka]

I always wonder about this, because you choose to believe that there is no God, surely this means that there is????

 

[Grey]

I always wonder about this, because you choose to believe that there is no God, surely this means that there is????

I don't believe in a god, I don't know 100% that there isn't one. If you don't believe in Baal does that make Baal true? Cheers.

 

[homwardbound]

Actually we can see it under heavy microscopic levela. And even if we couldn't, we can detect it with various other tools.

To say we should accept things that you can't see or detect is nonsense

Can you see the air that you breath? but it is real
2 Corinthians 4:18while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.