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Data Hungry: Surveillance Is Never Enough

Jason Ditz, June 13, 2013

The NSA’s PRISM scheme is already surveilling the entire American public to an enormous level, culling massive amounts of data from the PRISM Nine companies that have been complicit in that policy.

So it’s no surprise that the International Cyber Security Conference in Tel Aviv this week turned its focus on PRISM. Here’s the scary part: they don’t think it goes far enough.

RSA’s chairman, ironically the head of a company that used to be about protecting data from prying eyes, argued for “full visibility into all data” as the only real path to cybersecurity.

“All data” is exactly what it sounds like, literally everything, everywhere, in the world. Which would’ve been unthinkable just a couple of weeks ago, but now that we know that the NSA is already spying on a solid majority of our most important and most private data, it isn’t that surprising that they’d like to have everything else too. I mean, why not go for broke?

See it’s not longer just enough to have access to all your emails, they also need access to the preferences file of your email client, because maybe the way you configured it is significant. Knowing everyone you called is nice, but how about what custom ringtones you used?

The “relevant data” question has already been dispensed with by officials arguing that literally anything could be “relevant,” so there is no practical limit to this scheme. Some day, the NSA may need your saved game file from Sim City, because maybe the way you designed that city will be the final piece of the puzzle to figuring you out.

It’s not only terrifying how broad their reach is, but how many perfectly innocent little coincidences they are bound to uncover this way, which through the eyes of suspicious bureaucrats will be immediately transitioned into certainty of a horrible, imminent catastrophe.

Data Hungry: Surveillance Is Never Enough
 

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ISRAEL
Forget PRISM: Global Cyberchiefs Say They Need to Pry Even Further


By Karl Vick / Tel AvivJune 13, 20130

The exposure of the PRISM data-collection program might not fall squarely under the heading of the third annual International Cyber Security Conference, which concluded on Wednesday at Tel Aviv University. The secret data-collection program, by which U.S. intelligence agencies routinely vacuum up huge amounts of private communications from Internet users, stands outside the realm of safeguarding the cyberworld from attacks. PRISM is defended as an antiterrorism measure, necessary to detect plots as they are hatched between evildoers communicating with one another online.

But it turns out that, from the point of view of the watchers gathered in Tel Aviv, it’s all about expanding their gaze even further. The chairman of RSA, the digital-security company best known for its password key fobs, made the case for “full visibility into all data” as essential to detecting and thwarting threats to the cyberworld as well. Art Coviello, who is also executive vice president of EMC, which now owns RSA, said computer security is no longer about throwing up a fire wall between a piece of equipment and the outside world. Consumers now move between so many digital devices, and entrust information to the cloud, that the idea of “a perimeter” has been falling apart since 2007. Coviello gestured to zettabytes — four levels up from a gigabyte — to drive home his point that there’s just too much data moving out there to protect on site: understanding, he said, that 1 zetta is equal to 4.9 quadrillion books, the world traffic in data was a quarter of a zettabyte in 2007, but had become 2 zettabytes in 2013 and by 2020 might be 40, or even 60.

(VIDEO: The NSA PRISM Surveillance Program in One Minute)

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sorry if i'm double-posting or other weird things.
way up North....innernet is a Campbell's Soup can with a really long string 'parently.
ARG.
 
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It's just phone numbers, and connections with other #'s of interest.
That's all 'meta' data is.
I know, I saw Mueller testify on CSPAN:rolleyes:......
There is too much info to keep track of.
I'm not saying every jot and tittle couldn't be stored, probably is, but can you imagine how impossible it would be to go through all of that?
Let's not make a mountain of of an ant hill.
 

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It's just phone numbers, and connections with other #'s of interest.
That's all 'meta' data is.
I know, I saw Mueller testify on CSPAN:rolleyes:......
There is too much info to keep track of.
I'm not saying every jot and tittle couldn't be stored, probably is, but can you imagine how impossible it would be to go through all of that?
Let's not make a mountain of of an ant hill.
LOL....the primary use is for blackmailing (inter)national leaders.
absolutely every single bit of information is stored.
it can be used at any time in the future.

re - blackmail - take a look at the NSA scandal itself appearing right at this time.
then look at what else is going on in the world.
oh...here's a little more pressure for you Mr. President.
and while we're at it, we'll be sure everyone points to you for this.
haha.
 

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Leaker vows details on NSA access to tech servers

Doug Stanglin, USA TODAY 3:13 p.m. EDT June 17, 2013

Edward Snowden takes extraordinary precautions in a "live chat."

NSA leaker Edward Snowden, answering questions Monday in a live blog on his revelations about the top-secret agency, denied charges he was spying for China and vowed to release more details on the NSA's "direct access" to the tech companies' servers

"Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped," Snowden said, according to The Guardian, which held the "live chat" on its website.

He said the U.S. government "is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me."

Snowden, a former NSA contractor who fled the United States after revealing top-secret details on the government's collection of Americans' phone and Internet records, has said he "does not expect to see home again."

Snowden, who took immediate refuge in Hong Kong, also denied any plans to give information to China in exchange for asylum.

Former vice president Dick Cheney told Fox News Sunday that he thinks Snowden is a "traitor" and warned that the analyst may be spying for the Chinese government.

Leaker vows details on NSA access to tech servers

the snowden guy is suspicious
 

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PRISM is just the tip of the iceberg: James Corbett on Al-Etejah

[video=youtube;gMl35xfk668]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMl35xfk668&list=UU7TvL4GlQyMBLlUsTrN_C4Q&feature=player_embedded[/video]
 
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All that guy did was point out that data is being collected way more than people thought.

But if you look at the Patriot Act Section 215, the ability to "legally" collect all these things was written into law.

I called into CSPAN like a week before the story broke, pointing out the fact that it is known that the NSA has hubs in every telecommunication

transfer station.

It was known, just not publicized.
 
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Also, what you do is preach. What are they gonna do?

Arrest you for preaching the gospel? Are they going to jail you for ministering to people that need help?

I don't even think the Spanish Inquisition could have gotten away with that.
 

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I guess you're pretty comfortable with chains. I'm surprised you haven't caught on to the fact, that this will all be used specifically against Christians in the not so distant future. Watching the tetris blocks fall into place is part of why I am so strongly opposed to this. I know whats coming, and you apparently don't.


Paranoid much? Tell ya what?..when the first person i know goes to jail just for sayin somethin on the internet or in a text, than i'll worry. Till then, this goes on top of my stuff i dont care about pile
 

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Paranoid much? Tell ya what?..when the first person i know goes to jail just for sayin somethin on the internet or in a text, than i'll worry. Till then, this goes on top of my stuff i dont care about pile
apparently you haven't read the Bible.

as for you not knowing how many have gone to prison (most without trial) for what they have expressed online (not hate or threats)....just shows your lack of knowledge of these things.
which was evident with your first scoffing post.
ta
 

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Also, what you do is preach. What are they gonna do?

Arrest you for preaching the gospel? Are they going to jail you for ministering to people that need help?

I don't even think the Spanish Inquisition could have gotten away with that.
nah bro.
it's not about any of that.
 
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I guess you're pretty comfortable with chains. I'm surprised you haven't caught on to the fact, that this will all be used specifically against Christians in the not so distant future. Watching the tetris blocks fall into place is part of why I am so strongly opposed to this. I know whats coming, and you apparently don't.



I've read Orwell 1984 and I don't appreciate you or anyone who photo shopped that in. The actual motto is "War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength." "Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past." "Big Brother is Watching You."

Banning people from getting married sounds more like big brother overstretch then allowing it.
 

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I've read Orwell 1984 and I don't appreciate you or anyone who photo shopped that in. The actual motto is "War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength." "Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past." "Big Brother is Watching You."

Banning people from getting married sounds more like big brother overstretch then allowing it.
who said banning. YOU DID.

so many who claim the name of Christ who say gay marriage (sex) is cool and cute, and times have changed.
who cares if you are offended.

gonna bring a lawsuit against diggs for posting his meme. huh.
hurt yer feelins.

BIG DEAL
 
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who said banning. YOU DID.

so many who claim the name of Christ who say gay marriage (sex) is cool and cute, and times have changed.
who cares if you are offended.

gonna bring a lawsuit against diggs for posting his meme. huh.
hurt yer feelins.

BIG DEAL
Diggs can do as he wishes, he probably didn't even make it, but I don't like shone placing words in the mouth of a great and sadly deceased author.
 

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Interview 685 – Russ Tice Reveals the Truth About NSA Spying

Posted by Corbett

Podcast: Play in new window | Download

NSA whistleblower Russ Tice joins us for an eyeopening hour-long interview on the real extent of the NSA spying scandal. Beyond PRISM and beyond metadata, we explore the facts of NSA spying: that every electronic communication is being copied and stored by the US government. We talk about the political implications of this information, including the almost limitless power for blackmailing that this power gives those in charge of the wiretapping. Tice also names names on who has been targeted by these wiretaps. Please also see the recent BoilingFrogsPost interview with Tice on this same subject.

The Corbett Report | Interview 685 – Russ Tice Reveals the Truth About NSA Spying

this is KAFKA-esque.
*shiver*
 

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I think people are blowing this way out of proportion. I'm pretty sure there's not an evil conspiracy behind every corner. I mean really, if mcdonald's is out of mustard packets, someone is gonna say it's conspiracy. All these people that are saying our government plotting against us it must be because that's what they would if they were in power.
 
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I think people are blowing this way out of proportion. I'm pretty sure there's not an evil conspiracy behind every corner. I mean really, if mcdonald's is out of mustard packets, someone is gonna say it's conspiracy. All these people that are saying our government plotting against us it must be because that's what they would if they were in power.
Are you that blind?

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NSA Deletes Surveillance 'Fact' Sheet (UPDATE)

Posted: 06/25/2013 6:01 pm EDT | Updated: 06/26/2013 8:44 am EDT


NSA director Keith Alexander discussed the agency's surveillance programs before the House Select Intelligence Committee on June 18, 2013. (Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images)

WASHINGTON -- A day after coming under fire from congressional critics, the National Security Agency is trying to flush a controversial surveillance "fact sheet" down the memory hole.

That fact sheet was supposed to explain how the NSA interprets and uses section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the part of the law that underpins the agency's PRISM data collection program. But after Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Mark Udall (D-Colo.) asserted in a letter that the NSA's explanation contained a "significant" inaccuracy, the agency pulled the FISA fact sheet from its website on Tuesday, delivering users instead a server error.

In a letter to the senators, Gen. Keith Alexander, director of the NSA, said he "agree(d)" that the fact sheet "could have more precisely described the requirements for collection." He pointed them to the text of the law for further information on how the program works.

NSA spokeswoman Judith Emmel addressed the removal of the fact sheet in a statement. "Given the intense interest from the media, the public, and Congress, we believe the precision of the source document (the statute) is the best possible representation of applicable authorities," she said.

In other words, the NSA now says the public should simply rely on the text of the surveillance law to understand how the agency is using its powers. That suggestion is a far cry from the step Wyden and Udall had urged: publicly correcting the record.

Still, Udall spokesman Mike Saccone said withdrawing the fact sheet was "a step in the right direction" for the NSA. For years, Wyden and Udall have derided the NSA and the intelligence community generally for their reliance on "secret law" -- internal interpretations of written laws that twist those laws so far as to be unimaginable to even their authors.

The NSA's interpretation of FISA is so highly classified that Wyden and Udall did not feel at liberty in their letter to explain what statement on the fact sheet, still available elsewhere online, was inaccurate.

NSA Deletes Surveillance 'Fact' Sheet (UPDATE)



The NSA's interpretation of FISA is so highly classified that Wyden and Udall did not feel at liberty in their letter to explain what statement on the fact sheet, still available elsewhere online...:

National Security Agency Section 702 of FISA and Section 215 of PATRIOT Act Fact Sheets < click
 

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JUNE 28, 2013 3:26PM

Epstein on NSA (Again) Part I: PRISM & the FISA Amendments Act

By JULIAN SANCHEZ

I’m disappointed to see that renowned libertarian legal scholar Richard Epstein is persisting in his defense of the National Security Agency’s surveillance programs. This time, he co-authors with the American Enterprise Institute’s Mario Loyola in a Weekly Standard essay blasting the “Libertarians of LaMancha”—among whose ranks I have the dubious distinction of being named specifically. As with Epstein’s previous op-ed on this topic, which I responded to here, there are both factual mistakes and some broader conceptual problems. So many, alas, that to prevent this from becoming unwieldy, it’s better to divide my reply into two posts, each dealing with one of the NSA programs the authors discuss......

Epstein on NSA (Again) Part I: PRISM & the FISA Amendments Act | Cato @ Liberty
 

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NSA Surveillance Program Is Unreasonable, Unwarranted, and Unconstitutional

by DANIEL BIER on 06.25.2013

In his latest post at Ricochet.com, libertarian law professor Richard Epstein responded to criticism of his earlier op-ed, co-authored with Cato’s Roger Pilon, defending the NSA’s secret data-gathering programs. While conceding factual errors on a couple of points, Epstein maintained his core argument that the mass surveillance of millions of Americans’ internet and telecommunications data constitutes both a necessary and reasonable search, because of the continuing threat of terrorism.

skeptical libertarian. com