Grace through faith. Not just grace, that's all I'm saying, that's all that Scripture is saying, too, crossnoted
Yes and since Christ died for an individual yet that individual ends up rejecting Christ, does not mean grace did not exist apart from faith. Grace was born at Calvary, our faith partakes of that which is free.
Good grief. Never mind. Like I said my time is too short to go back and show where you had said the very things you are now accusing me of saying as well as twisting what I had said. I just can't continue into this black hole.
Ok, I am simply speaking my understanding of what you are saying, and, I KNOW what I believe and whom I have believed and it is Jesus Christ as I saved, by grace, through faith. They are an action by God and a reaction by me. Very simple. So, if you have to, just throw out eveything else I say and remember this, we are JUSTIFIED by both for salvation.
That is how simple it is, it's not complicated , crossnoted. We are to be partakers of one thing: His suffering . God bless you, brother, be led by Him, faith in Him, who leads, lives, and, learns you things inside you, as you worship in your spirit and read His truth revealed
Since you're now making accusations at me, ones which I hope and pray I did not do intentionally, crossnoted, you should explain where I:
A) am accusing you of what you just, or, how you put it.
B)am twisting what you just said.
Again, I am not after you, brother, I am simply holding true to the doctrine received from Him for me. Again, God reaches us all differently, and, reveals things to us all differently, He knows that, we should know that, too, and, we should understand our weaknesses of our flesh, too, and, Satan's advances should be understood as well. But, God rules, reigns, and He wins in the end
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This is the most troubling thing, to my way of understanding Christ's grace in our life, brother:
crossnoted: our faith partakes of that which is free.
How so? Our faith, in the first place, is NOT our faith, it's His faith having been given us, there is a difference in the two, right? "By grace you are saved, through faith, and that not of yourself; it is a free gift of God, that no on should boast.
So, our faith does NOT partake in that which is free, it RECEIVES that which is free, that which is 'grace.' This receiving of grace, through faith, is how we ARE SAVED, brother
It's not believing either, it's not partaking, we partake of communion, but, sorry, we do NOT partake of grace. That is a given, and, it's given by God. THROUGH FAITH, we RECEIVE grace. FAith is the 'channel' through which we receive God's grace of salvation.
Does this make sense? There is NO passive correlation of the two words, there is a direct channel from grace to faith BACK to grace, we are saved by faith in God's grace. "Faith" is such a marvelous word, it's ACTIVE. Grace is 'passive,' it's what we don't deserve that we get for free. But, getting eternal life, HAS A PRICE, and, that price is believing in His grace, through FAITH
Crossnoted, there is really only one question you have to answer.
BECAUSE of God's grace, will YOU live your life through faith , and, that faith is 'faith in Him.' Philipians 3:8 ...
Blessings, bro, and, sorry, again, for your having to think I was accusing you of things or twisting things you said, NEVER my intent to have my words received that way
The Lord leads