Church asks Freeloading Christians to attend elsewhere.

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RachelBibleStudent said:
i saw this yesterday and while i thought it was a ridiculous thing for a church to say...i wasn't offended enough by it to post a response either way...

but just now i saw this thread again...and immediately what the bible says about widows and orphans came to mind...would they be considered 'freeloaders' and asked to leave?

ugh... :mad:
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Lots of mega churches are more preoccupied with maintaining increased stats, and the infrastructure to keep the machine going, that orphan and widow ministries don't even exist. Often the only things that exist are the things which keep the machine in existence..ie more money, more people, more shiny things to keep the money and people there so the machine remains funded.
 
Good Grief!

This what happens to mega churches, they lose their luster of being newer and bigger and better and the place to be.
So the original pastor is jettisoned for a corporate executive with a 'Divinity' degree who knows how to balance the books.
This is the first I've seen where the new CEO actually did the equivalent of a street sweep of the homeless that big cities do.

Maybe he can rename it - "The First Church and Bank in Trust Inc."
 
I'm conflicted with this. I try to be active in my church. I have 4 kids and 1 stepson, my husband is the sole provider too. So my time is restricted with the children, we dont have a lot to tithe, but we try to give as much as we can. I just feel bad for the people that truely want to be with the church but aren't able to be as active as they want because of their restrictions. It seems unfair to me and not very christian to be putting people, out especially for a mega church. Just my opinion is all.
 
RachelBibleStudent said:
i saw this yesterday and while i thought it was a ridiculous thing for a church to say...i wasn't offended enough by it to post a response either way...

but just now i saw this thread again...and immediately what the bible says about widows and orphans came to mind...would they be considered 'freeloaders' and asked to leave?

ugh... :mad:
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I find myself in complete agreement with Rachel.

Surely the end is nigh.

: )
 
A staffer said : "We’re done being the community nanny”.

Why? - Because the souls aren't worth it?Have you ever heard of cutting back on the paid staff and then letting people know why you had to?
Or just showing the whole church the financial books so they see the need, before you send a form letter telling them not to come back without $$?
Cingular Wireless indeed, - (reminds me of overage charges).
 
I thought this might have some relevance to this thread. It is what I thought when I read the opening post.

Mathew 12:38-44

[SUP]38[/SUP] And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
[SUP]39[/SUP] And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:
[SUP]40[/SUP] Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.
[SUP]41[/SUP] And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
[SUP]42[/SUP] And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
[SUP]43[/SUP] And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
[SUP]44[/SUP] For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
 
You can tell a person to leave if they don't agree with God's Word. If they go against sound doctrine from SCRIPTURE.
 
RickShafer said:
Good Grief!

This what happens to mega churches, they lose their luster of being newer and bigger and better and the place to be.
So the original pastor is jettisoned for a corporate executive with a 'Divinity' degree who knows how to balance the books.
This is the first I've seen where the new CEO actually did the equivalent of a street sweep of the homeless that big cities do.

Maybe he can rename it - "The First Church and Bank in Trust Inc."
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it's the Purpose Driven Model.
Communitarianism.
find your purpose and follow the vision.

"The first Reformation was about doctrine; the second one needs to be about behavior," best-selling author Rick Warren told a congress of the Baptist World Alliance last year. "We need a reformation not of creeds but deeds."
 
I wonder when the Acts 2 church is coming back. They poured everything they had to each other and they became basically a family. The church was supposed to be the family before anything else. But the problem is for many of people is that they haven't left the thought notion that precedes selfishness. "It's my money. it's mine!" We need the notion that God owns it all.

But on the same token, in those times people would always take care of each other. They would always help feed each other, protect each other, and provide financially for each other. They were always picking each other. And building the church up was more important than their individual goals. Ideally, every believer should pour all they can possible into their church (including their heart). The church in my life should and has to be number one, even if I don't feel like it. That would be the ideal, but sadly modernistic people don't want to do that at all, and I find it sad.

I would hope that if they are going to ask for this kind of response (which has been positive), that they are going to pour into supporting back others and building up the church family. My opinion on this.
 
SparkleEyes said:
Sometimes people experience personal tragedies (death of a loved one, divorce, illness...) and they are not able to participate fully. They are not able to volunteer or help out because they are trying to work through their issues. Some people recover more quickly than others and are able to participate again. Shouldn't the people in Christian churches show grace and be there for people in crisis? :cool:
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RachelBibleStudent said:
i saw this yesterday and while i thought it was a ridiculous thing for a church to say...i wasn't offended enough by it to post a response either way...

but just now i saw this thread again...and immediately what the bible says about widows and orphans came to mind...would they be considered 'freeloaders' and asked to leave?

ugh... :mad:
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Come on, now... Widows, people in crisis, the poor, etc are different circumstances. And don't argue that they should have just said that. It's obvious the article (whether it's fake or not) was talking about those who CAN help and volunteer-- not those that need assistance.
 
how megachurches. er mega-church-corporations act I would not be surprised.

I recall a church ill leave nameless. had 2 nice buildings. but they were not good enough they had to build a new 14million dollar church close to the interstate (to entice the richy riches from the next county over) Now I hear they are under water on the loan. guess not enough richy riches made the drive 30mins up the interstate with piles of money.
 
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maxwel said:
Rickshafer,

Good point.
Can anybody verify this?
It seemed real to me, rather than satire, because... well... it's just wasn't very entertaining or funny, lol.

Can somebody confirm if it was satire?
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even if it is satire, the situation on the ground is beyond satirical.
this stuff does happen.

check this out:

Perry Noble 2011 Sheep Beating Incident
Perry Noble, is the most abusive beater of Christ's sheep that I've ever heard. Why anyone would allow themselves to be abused by this man is beyond me. Here is the latest example of "Pastor" Perry's abusiveness.

This is a segment from the June 30th, 2011 episode of the Fighting for the Faith radio program.

Perry Noble 2011 Sheep Beating Incident - Letter of Marque

16 minutes. use the slider if you want to just get to it.

this is standard fare in the TQM church-growth (size matters) world.
GO GET MORE PEOPLE IN HERE (numbers) OR LEAVE you lazy freeloaders.

seriously listen to his "talk" to his "flock".

gag
 
SparkleEyes said:
Sometimes people experience personal tragedies (death of a loved one, divorce, illness...) and they are not able to participate fully. They are not able to volunteer or help out because they are trying to work through their issues. Some people recover more quickly than others and are able to participate again. Shouldn't the people in Christian churches show grace and be there for people in crisis? :cool:
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I don't think the OPer or whatever "news article" is talking about the Christians who are somewhat disabled. Paul did say if you don't work, you don't eat. However Godly discernment should be exercised by the body in any case in which someone is "ex-communicated" from the body, after all the facts are on the table and all actions taken to correct the problem.
 
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