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zone

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Rick...i'm way up yonder





dunno if NSA has some giant thingee here:rolleyes: or the internet just not functioning right.

in any case....everytime i click LIKE on your posts - it says an error has occured - contact administrator.

consider yourself clicked on today's posts so far.







sent from my android which is apparently pretty dumb in the high plains country
 
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I probably need to check into Alexandria.....

Maybe my NSA secret cover has been blown:(....who knows?

Oh well??? (Thanks for the likes anyway!)

Nice pics way up in 'da great white north 'ey? - (Send me some back bacon)
 
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Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

My gifts and authority come from Christ Jesus through by the Holy Spirit.
If I run out in my own power and do the things you think I should do I will burn out fast.
I am a warrior for Christ. I know what I am gifted at because I have unexplainable energy and wisdom in them.
If I go and run off at the mouth about government and saving America I will just be a resounding Gong.
Again...I am not concerned with the things of this world. Only where the Holy Spirit directs me.

so you're not interested in how to witness, say, particularly to a Wall Street bank criminal - touching those things he knows he is involved in?

a media personality who has been lying to the public for decades?

or simply speaking the truth about HOW things like the rapid demoralization of America happened?
accidental?

yes, we can say: satan: judgment from God; hypocrite abound....but no interest whatsoever in understanding HOW the subversion happened?

because 'waking up" or deconditioning happens in stages.

and there are lost sinners around the world waking up to something...in varying degrees of awareness.
they are asking questions.

i like those discussions. when those folks realize you're not going to laugh them to scorn about what they DO SEE - then proceed to "tell them all about Jesus" (Who they can't see)....most often the convos go very well.

continuing communication happens.

sometimes i think christians just think : oh, i'm separate from the world.
nothing matters.
people need to get serious about their sin...etc etc

:rolleyes:
oh ya....like THAT's how it works.

OR.....we could open a MegaChurch and speak to their unmet needs and soothe their fears.
those fears are real, and they have a purpose - wake up sinner to the fact this world is coming to an end BECAUSE of those things you see...which ARE real...even if you're not able to equate that with words like SIN; Adam; Substitutionary Atonement etc just yet.
 
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By the way when I made reference to "the milk we drink" I simply meant that the milk in America is unsafe because it comes from cows that are super-producers of milk because of that milk producing hormone or whatever from Monsanto. A crew from Fox News tried to do a special on it and Monsanto threatened Fox with a lawsuit and Fox pulled it and eventually had to fire the reporters who insisted on covering it. That was several years ago. Then just this month Monsanto apparently got a law anonymously slipped in to an unrelated package of laws that congress passed, a law which gives them huge legal immunity with regard to GMO foods. So it seems that they have a lot of power over the media and even congress. I don't mean that they're trying to rule the world or control our minds through something in the milk, I just mean there's real greed and corruption and they conspire in any way they can to increase their power and wealth without regard to all the long term health effects of their ubiquitous products that we consume.
How about where you live Robo-pop?
Are there clear labeling laws?
Do they even allow GMO's in the Philippines?
I don't think they do in Europe.

- - - We're knee deep in GMO's here in America.
 
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Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

so you're not interested in how to witness, say, particularly to a Wall Street bank criminal - touching those things he knows he is involved in?

a media personality who has been lying to the public for decades?

or simply speaking the truth about HOW things like the rapid demoralization of America happened?
accidental?

yes, we can say: satan: judgment from God; hypocrite abound....but no interest whatsoever in understanding HOW the subversion happened?

because 'waking up" or deconditioning happens in stages.

and there are lost sinners around the world waking up to something...in varying degrees of awareness.
they are asking questions.

i like those discussions. when those folks realize you're not going to laugh them to scorn about what they DO SEE - then proceed to "tell them all about Jesus" (Who they can't see)....most often the convos go very well.

continuing communication happens.

sometimes i think christians just think : oh, i'm separate from the world.
nothing matters.
people need to get serious about their sin...etc etc

:rolleyes:
oh ya....like THAT's how it works.

OR.....we could open a MegaChurch and speak to their unmet needs and soothe their fears.
those fears are real, and they have a purpose - wake up sinner to the fact this world is coming to an end BECAUSE of those things you see...which ARE real...even if you're not able to equate that with words like SIN; Adam; Substitutionary Atonement etc just yet.
oh.....does this mean that you really do care?.....so all the time you say you don't care was just a joke then?:p
 
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Am I judging? Or am I being discerning? Or am I just having common sense. (I'm not sure which.)
Awareness + Open Eyes + Common Sense + Discernment =>

"The ability to step outside the MATRIX and see it for yourself..."



I guess the point is, even in the best democracy, with the best constitution, etc., corrupt human beings are capable of unlimited corruption, and will conspire in any way they can for their own gain and agendas, if they can possibly get by with it.
What a mouthful! Well said! Sounds Good! Makes sense! Absolutely!

Most people will whole-heartedly agree with your statement ----- until the focus is placed on the word 'conspire'...

I guess the point is, even in the best democracy, with the best constitution, etc., corrupt human beings are capable of unlimited corruption, and will conspire in any way they can for their own gain and agendas, if they can possibly get by with it.
Then, it becomes - "oh no, that cannot possibly be true..." :rolleyes:

Why are people willing to believe that "corruption abounds everywhere" - yet, cannot bring themselves to believe that the greater part of this corruption was brought about by like-minded conspirators with an agenda?

Why do Christians refuse to believe that Satan is capable of such?

The answer?

P.R.I.D.E.

Folks just don't like to think that they have been ( or even can be ) "hoodwinked"...

Folks just don't want to believe that anything can possibly be "concealed in plain view"...

( In reality, it cannot; however, the effect of it can be accomplished. To 'cancel' the 'effect' -- "just take the blinders off and open your eyes"... ;) )

You see...

God has made it impossible for His truth to be "covered over" or "hidden" -- not even Satan can accomplish it.

What Satan CAN DO however - is put blinders on our eyes -- so that we cannot see what is plainly right in front of us.

Humility => Knowledge + Awareness + Discernment

"Welcome to the real world, Neo..."

:)
 
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GRA like someone else said once...it is one thing to see conspiracies in history...it is another thing entirely to see history itself as a conspiracy...
 

zone

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Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

oh.....does this mean that you really do care?.....so all the time you say you don't care was just a joke then?:p
ha?
speak up sonny.
 

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corruption

Anti-sleaze mayor on fraud charges

Published: 4:59pm, 17th June 2013
Updated: 12:52am, 18th June 2013

The mayor of Montreal, who came to power promising to clean up corruption scandals plaguing the city, has been arrested on fraud charges.

Michael Applebaum faces 14 charges, including defrauding government, abuse of confidence and corruption.

Applebaum took over as interim mayor of Canada's second-largest city last November after former mayor Gerald Tremblay resigned amid corruption allegations.

"The corruption and collusion will no longer be tolerated," Commissioner Robert Lafreniere of Quebec's anti-corruption unit said. "No one is above the law and you cannot hide from the law."

The charges stem from alleged acts that occurred before Applebaum became mayor. While officials offered few details, they said they relate to property projects between 2006 and 2011 when he served as borough mayor.

Applebaum, 50, had promised not to run in the upcoming election, due this November. But his appointment was enough to make history: he became the first Anglophone mayor of the city in exactly 100 years. Signs of trouble arrived soon afterward.

http://www.talktalk.co.uk/news/world/article/anti-sleaze-mayor-on-fraud-charges/91998/
 

zone

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Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

Yes, the Monsanto stuff is becoming clearer to me from events spread out over a span of several years. They even stopped Fox News from doing an honest story on them (about the milk) and got Fox to fire the reporters who were trying to be honest and expose it. And now congress passes a law about protecting GMO companies, that's really from Monsanto, which was secretly and anonymously inserted into a package of unrelated laws, and which the news has said the congressmen didn't even know it was there when they voted to pass the whole package.

And the IRS -- yes, conspiring against Christians and conservatives to cut off all their funding (and even give confidential info to their rivals) to ensure that Obama and the liberal agenda prevail in the re-election. And who knows how high up that conspiracy and corruption went -- was it really just some naughty staff at one little IRS office far away from Washington??? Who benefited the most??

Am I judging? Or am I being discerning? Or am I just having common sense. (I'm not sure which.)

I guess the point is, even in the best democracy, with the best constitution, etc., corrupt human beings are capable of unlimited corruption, and will conspire in any way they can for their own gain and agendas, if they can possibly get by with it.
FOX Reporters Fired For Reporting the Truth About Monsanto Milk

FOX NEWS Reporters (Steve Wilson & Jane Akre) uncover that most of the Milk in the USA and across some parts of the world is unsafe to drink due to Monsanto Corporation’s POSILAC®, which has been proven to be a cancer-causing growth hormone.(known in short as “BGH” “BST” or “rBGH” ), but they were fired for attempting to inform people of the truth.

Monsanto Milk
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June 15, 2013

After a long court battle, the Court dismissed the whistle blowers protection for the reporters because the Court stated that there was no law to force that the NEWS must state the truth.

FOX Reporters Fired For Reporting the Truth About Monsanto Milk - | Intellihub.com < click



After a long court battle, the Court dismissed the whistle blowers protection for the reporters because the Court stated that there was no law to force that the NEWS must state the truth.


this has been a regular finding in court cases where people have tried to defend themselves against 'hate (thought) crimes' tribunals - by presenting factual evidence that what they are saying or writing is true.

the courts say - THE TRUTH IS NO DEFENSE.
 

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Richard C. Blum and Dianne Feinstein: The Power Couple of California
Historical Essay

by Laurence H. Shoup




Senator Dianne Feinstein with her husband Richard Blum at a Democratic election party in San Francisco, November 7, 2006.


On January 20, 1980, in San Francisco, California, finance capitalist Richard C. Blum (born in 1936) and the ambitious Democratic Party politician Dianne Feinstein (born 1933) were married in a wedding ceremony at San Francisco City Hall. This marriage created a family economic and political alliance that in a little over a decade would allow them to become the top power couple in the state of California with a place on the national and world stages. They remain at the pinnacle of power today, he as a billionaire financier, speculator, real estate executive and deal maker; she as the senior Senator (California’s highest federal official), from the largest and most powerful state in the United States. They exemplify power as it is now wielded in the higher circles of the class system of the U.S. today, and illustrate well the dismal results of this system. This system is best characterized as a plutocratic kleptocracy, completely lacking in authentic democracy, operated by and for corporate racketeers, in short, a dictatorship of big capital, the top 1% of wealth holders, which makes up a ruling class.

Richard C. Blum and Dianne Feinstein: The Power Couple of California - FoundSF


if you have time, this whole article should be read.
usual suspects.
 

zone

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Richard C. Blum and Dianne Feinstein: The Power Couple of California

They exemplify power as it is now wielded in the higher circles of the class system of the U.S. today, and illustrate well the dismal results of this system. This system is best characterized as a plutocratic kleptocracy, completely lacking in authentic democracy, operated by and for corporate racketeers, in short, a dictatorship of big capital, the top 1% of wealth holders, which makes up a ruling class.

Richard C. Blum and Dianne Feinstein: The Power Couple of California - FoundSF
Friday, 31 May 2013 16:18

Snopes Misses on Story of Collusion Between Sen. Feinstein and Husband’s Company

Written by Bob Adelmann


When George Miller, writing for the Ventura County Tea Party on May 22, complained about the blatant conflict of interest apparent in the fact that California Senator Dianne Feinstein’s husband, Richard Blum, was the exclusive seller of some 50 buildings belonging to the U.S. Postal Service, he didn't know that Snopes had already poo-pooed the charge out of hand back in April.

According to Miller, Blum’s company was going to make a fortune through real estate commissions as a result of his wife's political influence:

The US has entered into a contract with a real estate firm to sell 56 buildings that currently house U.S. Post Offices. The government has decided it no longer needs these buildings, many of which are located on prime land in towns and cities across the country.

The sale of these properties will fetch billions of dollars and a handsome 6% commission to the company handling the sales. That company belongs to a man named Richard Blum. Who is Richard Blum, you ask? Why, the husband of Senator Dianne Feinstein, that's who! What a bunch of crooks we have running this country!


However, when the folks at Snopes analyzed the story in April, they said that while Miller’s charge was largely true, it required some minor corrections, and it majorly misrepresented an important fact — namely that it found no collusion between Feinstein and her husband.

Snopes noted that it is common knowledge that the USPS is in desperate financial condition and, in an attempt to raise some cash and cut some of its expenses, it has “earmarked for disposal” more than 600 buildings. It noted further that at a Post Office website “USPS Properties for Sale” there were 41 buildings and 11 land parcels for sale. It failed to note, however, that the website was a joint venture between the USPS and a real estate company called CBRE. But it did say that CBRE had done a deal back in 2011 to become the exclusive lister and seller of real estate for the USPS. It also noted that Blum’s private equity company, Blum Capital, “is one of CBRE’s larger institutional stockholders.” That, according to Snopes, is where the truth of the claims against Feinstein and her husband end.

According to Snopes, Blum's involvement in the Post Office sales was no big deal, quoting from one of just two articles that they “sourced” — from the San Francisco Chronicle. Andrew Ross of the Chronicle wrote that Blum's activities hardly constituted any sort of conflict of interest. He claimed to know that this assertion was true because Feinstein’s office spokesman, Brian Weiss, said so:

Sen. Feinstein is not involved with and does not discuss any of her husband's business decisions with him. Her husband's holdings are his separate personal property. Sen. Feinstein's assets are held in a blind trust.

That arrangement has been in place since before she came to the Senate in 1992.

Claim debunked, right? Not so fast.

It’s unfortunate that Snopes didn't dig any further into the matter. It could have, for instance, sourced an 11-page exposé of Blum and Feinstein published by the online site FoundSF entitled “Richard C. Blum and Dianne Feinstein: The Power Couple of California.” There Snopes would have found how this couple, through a continuing series of events that could only be called crony capitalism on steroids, grew their wealth, starting in 1980 when they were married, from a modest sum to well over $100 million.

In that exposé they would have uncovered another source, this time from the Los Angeles Times, which noted the couple's illicit activities from the beginning:

A review of the senator’s first two years in office found that Feinstein supported several positions that benefited Blum, his wealthy clients and their investments. She was a vocal proponent of increased trade with China while Blum’s firm was planning a major investment there. She also voted for appropriations bills that provided more than $100 million a year in federal funds to three companies in which her husband is a substantial investor.

Visiting the Times article would have led them to another source that explained in detail her votes as head of the Military Construction Veterans Affairs and Related Agencies Subcommittee (MILCON), which funneled $1.5 billion worth of military construction contracts to URS Corporation, an engineering, design, and construction company located (where else?) in San Francisco — in which Blum had a significant financial interest. Her committee also funneled millions into Tutor Perini, one of the largest general contractors in the country, also located in California, and in which Blum also had a significant financial interest. When Blum sold his interests in URS and Tutor Perini, he booked profits estimated at between $5 and $10 million.

It gets even better. While Blum was an owner in URS, it bought a substantial piece of another company, a defense contractor called EG&G, which just happened to enjoy a windfall contract, thanks to Feinstein’s MILCON committee, of $600 million.

There are other egregious examples of how Feinstein, denials notwithstanding, funneled taxpayer funds into companies either controlled or heavily invested in by her husband. But the aforementioned examples should suffice to prove two points: Snopes often fails to dig deeply enough to discover the depth of corruption and deceit and denial in its efforts to “vet” a story like that from the Ventura California Tea Party. Second, the rampant self-dealing and obvious conflicts of interest go far beyond just a little agreement to sell some post offices through a company controlled by Feinstein’s husband.

Snopes Misses on Story of Collusion Between Sen. Feinstein and Husband’s Company
 

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Guns and Butter, for June 19, 2013 - 1:00pm
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"Art in New Deal Post Offices and Postal Banking in the USA" with Gray Brechin, Ying Lee and Jim Stauber. Sale of the Art Deco New Deal Post Offices and visual art; Reagan administration shift of the post office from cabinet level to semi-independent federal agency status; Bush I administration executive order, the Infrastructure Privatization Act of April 1992; 2006 bi-partisan bill requiring payment of health premiums 75 years in advance with prohibition against postal rate increase; postal banking option as the best way to save the U.S. Postal Service, from Public Banking 2013: Funding the New Economy, Public Banking Institute - Banking in the Public Interest.

Guns and Butter - June 19, 2013 at 1:00pm | KPFA 94.1 FM Berkeley: Listener Sponsored Free Speech Radio


amazing lecture specifically about the theft of US Post Offices; Buildings; Land, and Art.
astounding!!!!

Feinstein and Blum totally corrupt.
 

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1 Thessalonians 4:11-12

[SUP]11 [/SUP]that you also aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you, [SUP]12 [/SUP]that you may walk properly toward those who are outside, and that you may lack nothing.

Do these verses mean anything to you guys? How do we apply this passage for us today?
 

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1 Thessalonians 4:11-12

[SUP]11 [/SUP]that you also aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you, [SUP]12 [/SUP]that you may walk properly toward those who are outside, and that you may lack nothing.

Do these verses mean anything to you guys? How do we apply this passage for us today?
i believe there are many christians who actually vote; join the military; make decisions based on what they see on television.
it's helpful to be informed, i've found.
 
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i am still trying to get past the 'everytime i like your posts i get an error has occurred' comment. that is too good for words lol
 

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i believe there are many christians who actually vote; join the military; make decisions based on what they see on television.
it's helpful to be informed, i've found.
Are not Christians needed everywhere, in all walks of life? Didn't Jesus say it was the sick who needed a doctor. Didn't Jesus eat with prostitutes and vile sinners? Whether or not all these conspiracy theories or research are true or not doesn't really concern me that much. You and others can stick it to us and to the ones you believe are involved all day long, but to no avail. The only to change an a large or global institution is our peaceful life and love in Christ towards others, one little itty bit, one life at a time AND this is how the ancient Roman empire fell.

Do you not know that faulty information can and does travel around the world now much faster then the truth can get its' boots on?

Please don't take it that I don't care about whats going on, especially with our food. Because I do, I have a garden that bigger then what I can actually take care. But I can use it to encourage and teach others to grow food. Also, who's in control, are the ones creating and spreading conspiracies controlling us, or the big wigs and CEO of big business, or the ones in corrupt government who are being fed big bucks by these CEOs? OR is it our God who's in control?
 
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Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

a theory is only a theory until it is disproved or shown to be a fact. the most recent theory that has proven to be a fact is that we are systematically losing our freedoms including the right to privacy. no one wanted to believe that we were being poisoned...then monsanto. no one wanted to believe the government was spying on private citizens... then prism. the list is longer but the point is keep your eyes and your mind open. not everything you here is bogus. a lot of what is bogus is out there to decoy us......another conspiracy theory.
Well I doubt that everything you hear that's bogus is a decoy either. Ha.
 

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I think rational discussions about issues are needed, but most conversations among the less than informed (probably 99% of us) about "conspiracies" end up being full of rants. Most of us find information that supports our ideas and disregard or don't even look for information that discredits them.

I hope the management of Christian Chat closely monitors this discussion forum and closes it down if (WHEN!!!) it gets out of hand.

JMO :cool:
 

zone

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Are not Christians needed everywhere, in all walks of life? Didn't Jesus say it was the sick who needed a doctor. Didn't Jesus eat with prostitutes and vile sinners?
not sure what you mean.
i try to do my share of witnessing to Christ.
i try to know the Bible.

am i saying people should stop being nurses?
where did i say anything like that?

are Christians historians by vocation?
reporters? bankers? and so on?
of course.

don't understand the problem.
i suggested if one chooses the military as a vocation you would want to know about war,and particularly as a Christian about just war...knowing history and politics helps sort out whether a Christian may wish to sign up for active duty in unjust wars...wars that are based on lies....that's my opinion.

some people say it doesn't matter. that's their opinion.

it's just like being a doctor...if you're a Christian presumably you're not going to sign a requisition for an abortion.
why? because you learned this is murder.

Whether or not all these conspiracy theories or research are true or not doesn't really concern me that much.
okay.
so, not sure what that has to do with me or others who think these are all connected.
i find it important.

one example is 9-11.
an entire race of people (Arabs) ended up on the receiving end of Western wrath due to being blamed for that event.
millions have been murdered; hundreds of millions hurts and displaced.

terrible crimes have been committed.

most of this was done, is being by (Christians in) the military.

and it they have been told it is connected to Bible prophecy. it is being done in The Lord`s Name.

that`s why knowing who did 9-11, and whether it is Bible prophecy is important, if i were considering joining the military.

that was kind of my point.
it`s not that difficult to know what really happened.
and it actually makes a lot of difference in Christianity - all one has to do is listen to discussions on what is and is not fulfilled.

You and others can stick it to us and to the ones you believe are involved all day long, but to no avail.
stick it to you....question.
i dont know what you mean.

i didnt do 9-11.

dont i have a right to discuss it, just as others have a right to ignore it.

i disagree that just multitasking and knowing a few things currently happening in the world is to no avail.
not sure why theres an issue with what i know or dont know or choose to look into or not.

no one has to read this forum.

The only to change an a large or global institution is our peaceful life and love in Christ towards others, one little itty bit, one life at a time AND this is how the ancient Roman empire fell.
im not an activist.
i dont presume nor plan to change the world.

i like being informed.
i want to know if im being duped; i want to know what to support or not support.
is there something wrong with that.

im happy i discovered the Scofield Bible travesty. thats how i found out about the false theological system of Dispensationalism, which is driving an agenda.

and i would refer back to 9-11.
its not that hard. i dont mind.

do i not post enough in the Bible forum...not sure what the issue is.

Do you not know that faulty information can and does travel around the world now much faster then the truth can get its' boots on?
yes i do.
i watch it happen every day.

i see half the world in flames as a result of faulty information about 9-11, for example.
dont see the problem.

Please don't take it that I don't care about whats going on, especially with our food. Because I do, I have a garden that bigger then what I can actually take care. But I can use it to encourage and teach others to grow food.
okay.
so what am i not doing that i should be doing.
do you know what i do (question)

Also, who's in control, are the ones creating and spreading conspiracies controlling us, or the big wigs and CEO of big business, or the ones in corrupt government who are being fed big bucks by these CEOs? OR is it our God who's in control?
God is in control.

does that stop you from being informed about someone poisoning your food and taking steps to protect yourself.

God is in control.

i dont think i post anything that says He isnt.
 
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