whats your opinion on atheism ?

[homwardbound]

Do you atheist come on here for a reason? Do you feel you are going to enlighten christians in a way that they will denounce God and join your cause or what? Why do you atheists have such a problem with one's faith in God? Why does it annoy you to the point that you MUST come here to debate it? So what if I believe in God? God healed me and I have incredible faith in that. He saved me, saved me from myself when no one else would or could. I will never reject God based upon what you think to be logical. I'm sorry you don't believe in Him. I do, and why my friend WHY does that bother the unbeliever that christians do? GRRRRRRR! you guys sure do know how to push a button. LOL but it's ok I forgive you and I'm still smiling.

Sister it Is great to hear you are learning from all things, counting this as all Joy unto not only your salvation but all others as well, if they will believe, yet whether one does or not all will have had their free choice in being aware of the consequences so that no man will have excuse
Kind of like that parable where the owner of the field hired people for 20 dollars to go out and work his field, so they went then later that same day he sent others into his field and later again others, until the day was over.
Then it came time to pay them for their work and the payer started with the last men hired first and gave them 20 dollars each. Now the ones that were first hired and the middle men, saw what he paid the last men of the day that only wrought an hours work. So they got expectant, thinking Wow!!!!!!!!! we are getting bonuses we worked all day.
But when it came to them they were paid the same, and complained!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sound like Human flesh, full of complaints.
And the Lord said did you not agree to work for this 20 Dollars? They said yes. And the Lord said so what is the problem?
They said you paid those others the same as us.
And the Lord said you are mad at me because I am kind???????????????
The Lord God has not harmed his way in loving all. The People have done this, for God is kind, people are not and this has included me, For as Christ said Only GOD is good
I do not deserve this salvation, I accept it in all sincerity, in thankfulness and thus have asked what it means and I heard to love all as God has loved me through the cross.

 

[homwardbound]

I was a Christian when I joined the site, and returned a few months ago when I became an agnostic atheist to express the qualms I had when I was a Christian to others, and attempt to illustrate my point of view. I want people to "denounce" Yahweh as much as I want people to denounce Thor, Thoth, or Zorostra. (In that I don't care or want people to). And by all means I didn't just come here to debate people, on this thread I try to commentate on what people say, is that fair enough? Supernatural belief can provide people with community or even something happy to think about that transcends this world, but just because something is nice and convenient doesn't make it true.

Yep, for the devil comes as an angel of light, creating doubt, instilling doubt, just as was done to Adam and Eve
Did God really say that? So one Questions and the deceiver took it from there, and man has tried to play God ever since. Gaining wisdom, knowledge, money, status, people looking up to them and just feeling good about themselves every time they get a pat on the back, just fluffing ones ego and pride.
Not ever noticing themselves or notice but just do not care that they have no compassion for their neighbor. Now unfortunately The so called Christians of today are in many cases no better that the Atheist, or anyone that does not believe their way

What did Christ say about this I am better than you behavior
Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

So anyone that is against anyone with attitudes as the Pharisees of Christ's day I
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

For me, I am not put here to judge

Judgments are only based on what one sees, from their owns thoughts. From their own experiences. There is truly only one that knows all. that one would be and is the creator of all.
If one learns to listen to the creator as Jesus Christ revealed to all mankind. (Christ taught us, to do nothing or say nothing w/o Father's instruction first and foremost), we would make the right judgments, with out condemnation. ( coming from the one listening),much less likely
The ones that argued would reveal their true selves, as was done in the day of visitation from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Steer clear from arguments, seek the truth in all things and one shall be free from the world and it's traps.

 

[homwardbound]

Anyone can believe whatever they want to believe, but no one has to live like a refugee. Now for many years I did live like a refugee as I was working very hard to know God and discovered by my self effort is what was keeping me from resting in God's finished work at the cross. So I changed my mind and decided to go past the Faith (belief) and just plain trust God to do in me what I could not do in myself and that was love all mankind, whether they believe or not as God did
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

We did not have to get cleaned up before or after belief, we just needed to move onto trust
So I saw Believe, see, receive and today I am free, to be, thanks to God himself for freeing me from the stringency of Law, and now I walk in what he gave me, his type of love best described in 1 cor13:4-13

 

[sunshinelovin1700]

Sister it Is great to hear you are learning from all things, counting this as all Joy unto not only your salvation but all others as well, if they will believe, yet whether one does or not all will have had their free choice in being aware of the consequences so that no man will have excuse
Kind of like that parable where the owner of the field hired people for 20 dollars to go out and work his field, so they went then later that same day he sent others into his field and later again others, until the day was over.
Then it came time to pay them for their work and the payer started with the last men hired first and gave them 20 dollars each. Now the ones that were first hired and the middle men, saw what he paid the last men of the day that only wrought an hours work. So they got expectant, thinking Wow!!!!!!!!! we are getting bonuses we worked all day.
But when it came to them they were paid the same, and complained!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sound like Human flesh, full of complaints.
And the Lord said did you not agree to work for this 20 Dollars? They said yes. And the Lord said so what is the problem?
They said you paid those others the same as us.
And the Lord said you are mad at me because I am kind???????????????
The Lord God has not harmed his way in loving all. The People have done this, for God is kind, people are not and this has included me, For as Christ said Only GOD is good
I do not deserve this salvation, I accept it in all sincerity, in thankfulness and thus have asked what it means and I heard to love all as God has loved me through the cross.

Thank you Homeward for your words. I feel I must applaude that.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them...
[h=3]1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.[/h]
Amen!

 

[Grey]

How do the prophecies concerning Jesus's birth have anything to do with Alexander or Ceasar? I have read the Bible, I will admit a lot is hard to understand so I seek more answers pertaining to what it is that I'm having a hard time with. I'm not a scholar but I have a love for the Lord and I feel it will lead me to truth. Have you read it? Why did you turn from God? If you don't mind sharing.

An earlier quote from me
"I was raised in a religious household, I studied religion (at least the Christian one), read the bible from front to back"


A great deal of reasons, the morality of old testament Yahweh was the first".

 

[Grey]

Demonizing the opposition never fails as justification.

 

[Grey]

Yep, for the devil comes as an angel of light, creating doubt, instilling doubt, just as was done to Adam and Eve
Did God really say that? So one Questions and the deceiver took it from there, and man has tried to play God ever since. Gaining wisdom, knowledge, money, status, people looking up to them and just feeling good about themselves every time they get a pat on the back, just fluffing ones ego and pride.
Not ever noticing themselves or notice but just do not care that they have no compassion for their neighbor. Now unfortunately The so called Christians of today are in many cases no better that the Atheist, or anyone that does not believe their way

What did Christ say about this I am better than you behavior
Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

So anyone that is against anyone with attitudes as the Pharisees of Christ's day I
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

For me, I am not put here to judge

Judgments are only based on what one sees, from their owns thoughts. From their own experiences. There is truly only one that knows all. that one would be and is the creator of all.
If one learns to listen to the creator as Jesus Christ revealed to all mankind. (Christ taught us, to do nothing or say nothing w/o Father's instruction first and foremost), we would make the right judgments, with out condemnation. ( coming from the one listening),much less likely
The ones that argued would reveal their true selves, as was done in the day of visitation from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Steer clear from arguments, seek the truth in all things and one shall be free from the world and it's traps.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same god who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them".

 

[basebool]

Faith (belief) is the evidence of things not seen, Just as you do not see the air that you breath, and yet by Faith you live. And that was tangible proof to me that I never asked for, talking about my brother in what happened to him, besides all the other things that have happened as well. And it is quite okay that you are in denial, I say that because of free Choice, I thank God for my free choice and out of consideration I shall not take another's free choice away. I am no better than anyone else, whether they believe or do not believe, even if they say they do and do not.
And thank you for your Honesty, much appreciated, and God just love you friend

Faith can be used for evidence for literally anything then. The spaghetti monster (i keep mentioning it cause im hungry and i got no food ) for example.

Like i said before, yes i can't right now see the air i breathe in, but if i REALLY wanted to, i can get a powerful microscope that can allow me to few the atoms of the air. So i have a tool to ciew the air i breathe, i no longer need faith for it.

God on the other hand, only requires faith, which is belief without evidence, and has no tool to truly know it's there. That's the difference between faith and actual evidence.

The air is a great example of objective evidence because even if i wasn't here, it still would be

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

Like i said before, yes i can't right now see the air i breathe in, but if i REALLY wanted to, i can get a powerful microscope that can allow me to few the atoms of the air. So i have a tool to ciew the air i breathe, i no longer need faith for it.

You have faith that the tool works for its intended purpose.

 

[Grey]

one of the definitions of faith is "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence". You might say thats logical faith, but if it is then its different then the faith most people have on here.

 

[megaman125]

one of the definitions of faith is "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence". You might say thats logical faith, but if it is then its different then the faith most people have on here.

That's not how the Bible uses the word faith, we've been over this already.

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

one of the definitions of faith is "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

Selectively define, much?

 

[sunshinelovin1700]

Demonizing the opposition never fails as justification.

Did I demonize you or was that for someone else? If it was me I apologize. May I ask what denomination you were raised? What do you believe? We live and die and thats it? It was some freak thing of the universe we were created? We evolved (haha that ones funny), what? You understand my beliefs yet I can't understand yours. or excuse me your "lack of belief"

 

[basebool]

Did I demonize you or was that for someone else? If it was me I apologize. May I ask what denomination you were raised? What do you believe? We live and die and thats it? It was some freak thing of the universe we were created? We evolved (haha that ones funny), what? You understand my beliefs yet I can't understand yours. or excuse me your "lack of belief"

You don't understand what atheist means.

Our belief in the universe and death has nothing to do with atheism. It's simply the rejection of a god. I have my thoughts on my purpose of life and death, but that is not part of atheism. Just because we don't believe in a god, doesn't mean we can't believe in an afterlife, infinite rebirths of the universe, etc.

Now with me, i believe in that stuff because it's the best explanation that's supported with evidence. I obviously don't want to believe it, who does, but when it's time to be real about something, it's this.

Another way to put lack of belief is just the absense of a belief. So you take away the belief in something, and now your left with no belief. It's very simple, i din't know why it should be complicated

 

[basebool]

You have faith that the tool works for its intended purpose.

No i don't have faith, i have access to many many experiements where they use said tools and can demonstrate that it is accurate in what it shows. I can conclude that this tool is accurate and i can use it to detect the air molecules.

0% faith used, 100% evidence used

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

No i don't have faith, i have access to many many experiements where they use said tools and can demonstrate that it is accurate in what it shows. I can conclude that this tool is accurate and i can use it to detect the air molecules.

0% faith used, 100% evidence used

And if it's broken? And if in x years time they demonstrate it is not as accurate as previously thought?

 

[sunshinelovin1700]

You don't understand what atheist means.

Our belief in the universe and death has nothing to do with atheism. It's simply the rejection of a god. I have my thoughts on my purpose of life and death, but that is not part of atheism. Just because we don't believe in a god, doesn't mean we can't believe in an afterlife, infinite rebirths of the universe, etc.





Now with me, i believe in that stuff because it's the best explanation that's supported with evidence. I obviously don't want to believe it, who does, but when it's time to be real about something, it's this.



Another way to put lack of belief is just the absense of a belief. So you take away the belief in something, and now your left with no belief. It's very simple, i din't know why it should be complicated

Are you saying you believe this? Rebirth in universe and afterlife?
If a person believes in rebirth and such that would fall into Hinduism. Which is a religion obviously.
So you believe in these things but deny God or a god has anything to do with it?

 

[Grey]

one of the definitions of faith is "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence". You might say thats logical faith, but if it is then its different then the faith most people have on here.

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[basebool]

Are you saying you believe this? Rebirth in universe and afterlife?
If a person believes in rebirth and such that would fall into Hinduism. Which is a religion obviously.
So you believe in these things but deny God or a god has anything to do with it?

No im not saying i do, but i could belive in an infinite amount of big bangs that in turn means that i eventually get reborn.

The rejection of a god does not eliminate the possibility of an afterlife or being reborn

 

[Grey]

Did I demonize you or was that for someone else? If it was me I apologize. May I ask what denomination you were raised? What do you believe? We live and die and thats it? It was some freak thing of the universe we were created? We evolved (haha that ones funny), what? You understand my beliefs yet I can't understand yours. or excuse me your "lack of belief"

It was someone else, Lutheran for about 14 years, then I was upset with Martin Luther's little anti-semetic episode near the end of his life, so I personally and privately became a literalistic christian going by nothing but the bible for 3 or 4 years. I do not know what is beyond the gate, what awaits everyone beyond life, but I'm not expecting something, and I'm not certainly presupposing that there is something. By all means what is here, is what is natural. My agnostic atheism and evolution have nothing in common, and neither depend upon the other (though theists and non-theists alike seem to think otherwise at times). And when I say I am an atheist, I say it tentatively, I understand that -Isms, whether it be theism or otherwise, may put blinders as to what we allow ourselves to believe. That's one of the reasons I'm considering attempting to simply unlabeled when it comes to religion. Religion is almost inescapable, it took me a year to reconsider my beliefs, because, (if you've heard of the superstitious pigeon experiment), people who are in a religion actively look to attribute natural occurrences in life to their god, and although most if not all people on this forum are nice and moral, most if not all only see the world through the lens of their religious views.