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As our Father asks all sinners to repent and be obedient, for obedience to Him is more than sacrifice, while disobedience is likened to witch craft. Taking from this, any issue about obeying the Father's commandments should be closed, but there are too many too willing to enforce personal desires on the body of Yeshua, and the only desires should be Yeshua's. It is a shame, but the wheat must grow along with the tares until the time of separation.
Yep...
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
And why did death reign from Adam to Moses?
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
And what is sin...
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
And why did death reign from Adam to Moses?
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
And what is sin...
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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Thanks, You just proved my point. They died because they sinned, And as I proved with Romans one, they not only knew it was sin, They knew they were condemned because of that sin, But they hid it in their hearts. because they loved sin more than God.
They knew it was sin, BEFORE the law was given.. Just as I said!
They knew it was sin, BEFORE the law was given.. Just as I said!
Peace be with you, JESUS said this; 'I did not come to do away with the Law and the Prophets................but to give it's full meaning and to fulfill them.'
How to receive the bodily spirit and truth in order to be the true worshipers?
1. first of all one is to receive spiritual discernment blessing to understand Spiritual teachings in the Holy Bible taught by the HOLY SPIRIT sent as our Helper.
2. So that we may posses a spirit of a sound doctrine of the truth in accordance to the inspired written Scriptures, so that by understanding the whole context, one may distinguish between the Old Covenant and the New.
As it is written and by understanding the whole text; 'Wasn't GOD HIMSELF say in HIS Word the Old even to its builder was a failure? Even Moses was wearing a veil to hide GOD's glory upon his face. i say this with due respect to Moses who did try his best.
Apostle Paul says in Romans 7 about the Law of the Old which is indeed SPIRITUAL. But it did not redeem any man from sin but only to point it out and sin came to alive.
Paul (Saul) himself was a slave to sin of the Old, confessing in the New and now living in the New, he moves forward confessing in Romans 8; 'Therefore now there is no condemnation................Law of the HOLY SPIRIT................practicing the things of the flesh brings death................practicing the things of the SPIRIT brings life..................
Apostle Paul lived now to the things of the SPIRIT to have life, no more to the things of the flesh. As he confessed to others , he also lived it. He and the other Apostles and church at their time, were not like us till this very day being show offs enjoying KFC, Starbucks, Mc Donalds etc. Sorry to say, mainly filling our flesh and guess what will truly will manifest? The SPIRIT of GOD or just the 'self' flesh which it thinks it is wise.
JESUS said; 'The Words that come out my mouth comes from the life giving SPIRIT..............They are spirit and life.'
So in order to receive 'spirit and truth' remember first;
"Who is the 'author and finisher of our faith'."
"What did the author say about the New Covenant, giving it's full meaning in accordance to the 'grace and truth of GOD now through HIM (CHRIST)'?"
Beginning from Matthew 5 and onwards, has any Christian listen and paid attention and come into obedience to HIS teachings onwards and put to practice them and be justified as a wise builder, confessed by CHRIST HIMSELF in the Gospel?
Has the church listen and paid attention and come into obedience to CHRIST's instructions through the Apostles in their Epistles for Christian men and women to come into one order, becoming the one body of CHRIST?
Has the book of Revelation being read or spoken (prophesies) to the future generation in order for the signs to look out for
when the times comes?
We may think we escape and they are the ones who are going to face it. But the LORD say; Their blood shall be upon us who have lived a 'lukewarm life'.
'Men pleaser rather than GOD pleaser.'
Failing in all of this that is in the Covenant (Contract) are considered lawlessness citizen (employee) of GOD through CHRIST.
Wise in continuing in them are called HIS lambs and sheeps who are welcomed to HIS place of rest.
i hope the HOLY SPIRIT has ministered to the readers that they should draw near to JESUS in accordance to the inspired teachings of the New Covenant in order to enter GOD's place of rest in future.
Looks like many have to go down on their knees and confess the mess ups and drunkenness failing to see and hear sound doctrine of the New Covenant given from GOD through CHRIST by the Words of the 'Life giving SPIRIT'
We have become short sighted Christians from generation after generation, who have lived to the necessity and pleasure of this world. And the MESSIAH in HIS parables said about the plant that got choked up with the throne bushes; 'Their fruit never ripen.'
We as Gentiles have serious business with CHRIST from this day forward. Time to come Gentiles branches will be cut off and for Jewish branches to be reattached to the cultivated olive tree..
(Furthermore, to the addition of the Old, they had to conduct the law of purification from sin to become right again with GOD.)
But this practices were only temporary because the MESSIAH is promised to come later to redeem them from the bondage of the Old which is ruled by sin and death.)
How to receive the bodily spirit and truth in order to be the true worshipers?
1. first of all one is to receive spiritual discernment blessing to understand Spiritual teachings in the Holy Bible taught by the HOLY SPIRIT sent as our Helper.
2. So that we may posses a spirit of a sound doctrine of the truth in accordance to the inspired written Scriptures, so that by understanding the whole context, one may distinguish between the Old Covenant and the New.
As it is written and by understanding the whole text; 'Wasn't GOD HIMSELF say in HIS Word the Old even to its builder was a failure? Even Moses was wearing a veil to hide GOD's glory upon his face. i say this with due respect to Moses who did try his best.
Apostle Paul says in Romans 7 about the Law of the Old which is indeed SPIRITUAL. But it did not redeem any man from sin but only to point it out and sin came to alive.
Paul (Saul) himself was a slave to sin of the Old, confessing in the New and now living in the New, he moves forward confessing in Romans 8; 'Therefore now there is no condemnation................Law of the HOLY SPIRIT................practicing the things of the flesh brings death................practicing the things of the SPIRIT brings life..................
Apostle Paul lived now to the things of the SPIRIT to have life, no more to the things of the flesh. As he confessed to others , he also lived it. He and the other Apostles and church at their time, were not like us till this very day being show offs enjoying KFC, Starbucks, Mc Donalds etc. Sorry to say, mainly filling our flesh and guess what will truly will manifest? The SPIRIT of GOD or just the 'self' flesh which it thinks it is wise.
JESUS said; 'The Words that come out my mouth comes from the life giving SPIRIT..............They are spirit and life.'
So in order to receive 'spirit and truth' remember first;
"Who is the 'author and finisher of our faith'."
"What did the author say about the New Covenant, giving it's full meaning in accordance to the 'grace and truth of GOD now through HIM (CHRIST)'?"
Beginning from Matthew 5 and onwards, has any Christian listen and paid attention and come into obedience to HIS teachings onwards and put to practice them and be justified as a wise builder, confessed by CHRIST HIMSELF in the Gospel?
Has the church listen and paid attention and come into obedience to CHRIST's instructions through the Apostles in their Epistles for Christian men and women to come into one order, becoming the one body of CHRIST?
Has the book of Revelation being read or spoken (prophesies) to the future generation in order for the signs to look out for
when the times comes?
We may think we escape and they are the ones who are going to face it. But the LORD say; Their blood shall be upon us who have lived a 'lukewarm life'.
'Men pleaser rather than GOD pleaser.'
Failing in all of this that is in the Covenant (Contract) are considered lawlessness citizen (employee) of GOD through CHRIST.
Wise in continuing in them are called HIS lambs and sheeps who are welcomed to HIS place of rest.
i hope the HOLY SPIRIT has ministered to the readers that they should draw near to JESUS in accordance to the inspired teachings of the New Covenant in order to enter GOD's place of rest in future.
Looks like many have to go down on their knees and confess the mess ups and drunkenness failing to see and hear sound doctrine of the New Covenant given from GOD through CHRIST by the Words of the 'Life giving SPIRIT'
We have become short sighted Christians from generation after generation, who have lived to the necessity and pleasure of this world. And the MESSIAH in HIS parables said about the plant that got choked up with the throne bushes; 'Their fruit never ripen.'
We as Gentiles have serious business with CHRIST from this day forward. Time to come Gentiles branches will be cut off and for Jewish branches to be reattached to the cultivated olive tree..
(Furthermore, to the addition of the Old, they had to conduct the law of purification from sin to become right again with GOD.)
But this practices were only temporary because the MESSIAH is promised to come later to redeem them from the bondage of the Old which is ruled by sin and death.)
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NO sin occurs.
Born of God, one does not sin.
COVERED by the blood of Christ.
Well said, homeboundHis, great way to put His Love for us, which, is, oh, so great, Christ peeps, so great. Behold ! What manner of Love the Father has given unto us
We STOMPED on His face, did things that showed our hate, ridiculed Him on the cross we are told, ALL of us, SINNERS!, yet Christ died for us, took the blow, when He was sinless, sin-free, and, did NOT want to do it but DID obey His Father's will
Born of God, one does not sin.
COVERED by the blood of Christ.
Well said, homeboundHis, great way to put His Love for us, which, is, oh, so great, Christ peeps, so great. Behold ! What manner of Love the Father has given unto us
We STOMPED on His face, did things that showed our hate, ridiculed Him on the cross we are told, ALL of us, SINNERS!, yet Christ died for us, took the blow, when He was sinless, sin-free, and, did NOT want to do it but DID obey His Father's will
Thanks greenice
They are in force to you, and that is what gets one to be lacking in God's unconditional Love spread out to all the world through Christ
First his death which took away the sin of the world from Father's viewpoint
John 1:29 [ The Lamb of God ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Romans 5:6 [ Christ in Our Place ] For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
Romans 6:10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Romans 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Romans 14:9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 14:15 Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died.
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died;
2 Corinthians 5:15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
First his death which took away the sin of the world from Father's viewpoint
John 1:29 [ The Lamb of God ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Romans 5:6 [ Christ in Our Place ] For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
Romans 6:10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Romans 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Romans 14:9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 14:15 Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died.
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died;
2 Corinthians 5:15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
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lol.. I know for a fact that people knew the difference between wrong and right before they were written in stone.. You know. the things written in stone which Paul said this about.
2 Corinthians 3:7-8
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones
so which should we follow. The ones written in our hearts. or the ministration of death written on stones (do you understand what this means? just curious)
2 Corinthians 3:7-8
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones
so which should we follow. The ones written in our hearts. or the ministration of death written on stones (do you understand what this means? just curious)
The ministration (administration) of death was called that because eternal life was never promised in the Old Covenant. God called some few to life, but the majority were never given the Holy Spirit, neither were they promised eternal life. They could not keep the Ten Commandments in the way God intends for Christians, they did not have the Holy Spirit, they were carnal...
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Whereas Paul says this about the Law...
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Whereas Paul says this about the Law...
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
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Sorry to butt in on this, I do not want to interrupt the flow of your discussion. However, I come here because I am very confused about all of these viewpoints. I am a recommitted Christian, and I might as well say a New Christian because I did not know much of the faith until now. From what I have gathered, if you believe in Jesus Christ and ask Him into your heart, and repent for your sins, you are saved as you are washed in the Holy Spirit. Though we are still human beings, and by being human beings we naturally do things we should not. For instance, you may grow mad, maybe even slightly irritated at a person today. Being angry with someone is the same as murdering them, and that breaks one of the commandments. But, if we recognize that we do this, and ask Christ to forgive us and help us turn from our anger, we will be okay. I have spent the past week absorbing myself in the Gospel, as well as reading devotionals(I just put one down matter of fact). I suppose what I am trying to say is that, we will still sin as we are human, but if we put our faith in Christ, he will help us along the narrow path and lead us away from it again by feeling convicted for it. Our Father is Just, Holy, and Loving. Parents set up rules for their children in order for them to stay safe, and when the child breaks one, they are of course scolded. But that does not mean the child no longer "belongs" to their parents. I don't believe any of our parents ever kicked us out of our house when we drew on the table when we were younger, or refused to go to time out. They punished us of course, but they did that out of their love for us. Because we knew this, and we love them, we (hopefully) stopped drawing on that table, even though we had run out of paper and that giraffe or hippo we were thinking about would look lovely on the living room table, we refrained from doing it because our parents told us not to, and we love and trust them. God is our Father, so is he not the same way? He loved us so much He sent Christ to die for us in atonement for our sins.
I suppose what I am trying to say is that it is simply impossible to follow the law in a complete and perfect manner, so that is why we need Jesus. Through Jesus, we recognize the law not by wanting to earn our own righteousness, but because we love Him and want to live like Him. Because God realized we could never fulfill a life that lives completely by the law. He deeply wants a personal relationship with us, and He gives us the opportunity to have that through Christ. Without Christ, we would all be condemned. Jesus lived a life in flesh like ours, and he resisted the temptations of sin. He understands that it is very hard to avoid it, and that we will at sometimes fall into it. But He will not forsake us, if we do not forsake Him. If we genuinely ask our kind Savior for His forgiveness, and truly feel the guilt for what we did(which is a lesson He teaches us in order for us to not do it again!), then He will keep us in His arms. Yes, God is Holy and Just, but let us not forget how Loving he is, and how good He is. He continues to shape us everyday, and we all have to grow and mature. We must drink milk before we can eat meat. We must take small steps until we can climb the mountain.
Forgive me if any of this is waivers off topic, from what I have read there seems to be some similar shifts in discussion. I am merely trying to understand the life of a Christian better. Also, forgive me if any of my opinions seem mislead, I am doing my best to understand the Lord and all his outstanding Glory.
On a final note, I noticed that in topics such as these, people seem to forget two things the Lord asked us to do. Do not judge each other, and love each other. Just make sure that what you are saying is meant in a loving way, and you are trying to help them understand your view, while being careful not to bash theirs because you believe "yours is the right way". Love thy neighbor and treat them how you would yourself.
God bless,
Tristen
P.S: I do recognize that I am still very young, and have much to learn. I just want to learn all I can, and learn the truth.
I suppose what I am trying to say is that it is simply impossible to follow the law in a complete and perfect manner, so that is why we need Jesus. Through Jesus, we recognize the law not by wanting to earn our own righteousness, but because we love Him and want to live like Him. Because God realized we could never fulfill a life that lives completely by the law. He deeply wants a personal relationship with us, and He gives us the opportunity to have that through Christ. Without Christ, we would all be condemned. Jesus lived a life in flesh like ours, and he resisted the temptations of sin. He understands that it is very hard to avoid it, and that we will at sometimes fall into it. But He will not forsake us, if we do not forsake Him. If we genuinely ask our kind Savior for His forgiveness, and truly feel the guilt for what we did(which is a lesson He teaches us in order for us to not do it again!), then He will keep us in His arms. Yes, God is Holy and Just, but let us not forget how Loving he is, and how good He is. He continues to shape us everyday, and we all have to grow and mature. We must drink milk before we can eat meat. We must take small steps until we can climb the mountain.
Forgive me if any of this is waivers off topic, from what I have read there seems to be some similar shifts in discussion. I am merely trying to understand the life of a Christian better. Also, forgive me if any of my opinions seem mislead, I am doing my best to understand the Lord and all his outstanding Glory.
On a final note, I noticed that in topics such as these, people seem to forget two things the Lord asked us to do. Do not judge each other, and love each other. Just make sure that what you are saying is meant in a loving way, and you are trying to help them understand your view, while being careful not to bash theirs because you believe "yours is the right way". Love thy neighbor and treat them how you would yourself.
God bless,
Tristen
P.S: I do recognize that I am still very young, and have much to learn. I just want to learn all I can, and learn the truth.
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what about before the law?
And I would disagree, david understood eternal life (sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire)
God says he knew us before we were born, and we were predestined. so our eternity was known by God before adam was even created..
Yet he said if it were not for law, he would not know what sin was. The law was given and he died.
We do. We establish the law by admiting the law was right, and we were guilty, this is how we repent.
it is.. And we have broken it.. thus are killed by it.
this is what is meant by the ministration of death. The law kills because all have fallen short of the law. and are thus dead by it..
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. [SUP]9[/SUP]I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
And I would disagree, david understood eternal life (sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire)
God says he knew us before we were born, and we were predestined. so our eternity was known by God before adam was even created..
Yet he said if it were not for law, he would not know what sin was. The law was given and he died.
We do. We establish the law by admiting the law was right, and we were guilty, this is how we repent.
it is.. And we have broken it.. thus are killed by it.
this is what is meant by the ministration of death. The law kills because all have fallen short of the law. and are thus dead by it..
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. [SUP]9[/SUP]I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.