gal 3:10-12 to those who keep looking law ward.

[homwardbound]

Why am I infatuated with keeping the Law?

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


It seemed rather important to Christ. Important enough for Him to say that only those who keep the Commandments will be the ones who are given eternal life.

These commandments are the law of love, not the letter. We are in a new Covenant after the death this new Covenant was ushered in
[h=3]Hebrews 9:15-17[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.


[h=3]Hebrews 7:11-12[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Walk by God's love manifested in you and through you by the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ for you, from God a gift to you, so instead of trying to walk in it, God already made you it, so that by God it is not you that do it, it is God that does it through you.

 

[haz]

Why am I infatuated with keeping the Law?

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

For the legalists here, they think Jesus referred to the ministry of condemnation/death (which includes 10 commandments).

But Jesus actually meant the following 2 commandments.

1John 3:22,23
we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

 

[just-me]

For the legalists here, they think Jesus referred to the ministry of condemnation/death (which includes 10 commandments).

But Jesus actually meant the following 2 commandments.

1John 3:22,23
we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

This was not something new. Leviticus 19:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 6:1-9 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

If a nation is no longer blessed by God's mercy and justice, as we can see right here in the United States, then we have done great wrong according to the commandments of God Almighty.

 

[zone]

If a nation is no longer blessed by God's mercy and justice, as we can see right here in the United States, then we have done great wrong according to the commandments of God Almighty.

no longer blessed.hmm..
what has the united States done wrong, that she is no longer being blessed.
could you be specific.
do you mean declining morality in general

how did that happen.

 

[just-me]

no longer blessed.hmm..
what has the united States done wrong, that she is no longer being blessed.
could you be specific.
do you mean declining morality in general

how did that happen.

I am referring to legislation that separates the church from any influence in government. God has never continued to bless a nation that pushes Him away. By your statements I'm sure you can see it.

 

[zone]

I am referring to legislation that separates the church from any influence in government. God has never continued to bless a nation that pushes Him away. By your statements I'm sure you can see it.

sodomy and usury are 2 pretty good signs a nation or people have cursed God.
and in turn been cursed.

God saves individuals.

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you, the thread may be in one context but in sound doctrine Romans 8 proves practicing the Old that brings death and practicing the New of the redeeming MESSIAH brings spirit and life.
The Covenant is like a Contract when one accept it, all of that is written one must abide.
JESUS the MESSIAH is the New Covenant builder that stands yesterday, today and forever (eternal life)
Apostle Paul who represent CHRIST went on to say this Law of the Old was just a custodian until CHRIST's SPIRITUAL Law of the HOLY SPIRIT the very SPIRIT of the LIVING GOD who raised JESUS CHRIST to life who will also raise the ones in spirit and truth to life when the will of the FATHER is done .
Do not argue taking out of context but learn from the HOLY SPIRIT sound doctrine (the whole picture about the Old Covenant and the New and reconize it's builder of the New, GOD's only begotten SON)

 

[GreenNnice]

Peace be with you, the thread may be in one context but in sound doctrine Romans 8 proves practicing the Old that brings death and practicing the New of the redeeming MESSIAH brings spirit and life.
The Covenant is like a Contract when one accept it, all of that is written one must abide.
JESUS the MESSIAH is the New Covenant builder that stands yesterday, today and forever (eternal life)
Apostle Paul who represent CHRIST went on to say this Law of the Old was just a custodian until CHRIST's SPIRITUAL Law of the HOLY SPIRIT the very SPIRIT of the LIVING GOD who raised JESUS CHRIST to life who will also raise the ones in spirit and truth to life when the will of the FATHER is done .
Do not argue taking out of context but learn from the HOLY SPIRIT sound doctrine (the whole picture about the Old Covenant and the New and reconize it's builder of the New, GOD's only begotten SON)

We are to obey the right covenant, right, freddyjames

 

[crossnote]

Galatians 3:9-21 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Peace be with you, the thread may be in one context but in sound doctrine Romans 8 proves practicing the Old that brings death and practicing the New of the redeeming MESSIAH brings spirit and life.
The Covenant is like a Contract when one accept it, all of that is written one must abide.
JESUS the MESSIAH is the New Covenant builder that stands yesterday, today and forever (eternal life)
Apostle Paul who represent CHRIST went on to say this Law of the Old was just a custodian until CHRIST's SPIRITUAL Law of the HOLY SPIRIT the very SPIRIT of the LIVING GOD who raised JESUS CHRIST to life who will also raise the ones in spirit and truth to life when the will of the FATHER is done .
Do not argue taking out of context but learn from the HOLY SPIRIT sound doctrine (the whole picture about the Old Covenant and the New and reconize it's builder of the New, GOD's only begotten SON)

And the Mosaic covenant being a conditional while the Abrahamic being one of unconditional promise based on an oath of God from God Himself and not a contract through intermediators...e.g. Moses.

 

[fredjames]

Peace be wit you all, i am merely an unworthy servant just doing my given duty to only build and edify to unity in the name of the FATHER, SON and the HOLY GHOST of the NEW COVENANT.
In the natural world, an employer will not continue with his employees focusing in the old contract when he has already given the new through his son. As one employees in understanding with the employer, he has already done away with the old, achieving it through his son the only achiever for all the other employee who have failed.
Judge for yourself, who do you think the employer want us to follow in order to excel in the future, in togetherness for the successful of the company as one family.
Do we want to abide or oppose, even to the lack of understanding?
Unless one continue in the sound doctrine of the successful contract author of the New then he or she who is new will understand the other true senior employees, who have continued with the employer only helping, trying to explain the truth as witnesses of the whole thing about the contracts which already been justified by the employer.

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you, your's and my MASTER, the New Covenant builder said to those with spiritual discernment of the FATHER's every Word that proceed from HIS mouth; " 'I am' the only way, 'I am' the only truth and 'I am' the only life, the 'only way' to the FATHER is 'by ME' ."
Apostle Peter said in his epistle of CHRIST the HOLY SPIRIT to the church as one body even until today; 'Add to your (initial) faith (which is the gift of GOD, 'by grace through faith')........................'

 

[homwardbound]

This was not something new. Leviticus 19:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 6:1-9 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

If a nation is no longer blessed by God's mercy and justice, as we can see right here in the United States, then we have done great wrong according to the commandments of God Almighty.

And Jesus today in the second Testament expounded on the Ten Commandments held in as the Law, that had not included the greatest of the Law which is and always has been Love as you have shown. So Jesus in the second Testament which was filling the First Testament of God's Love shown through Abraham by making the covenant promise to Abraham filled it by the only one that could Christ Jesus, in the order of Melchizadek, the high Priest
So both Ist Testament known as Old is not Old, it is the first, and the New is not new it is the continuation and fulfillment of all that was written about the coming Messiah Christ Jesus, that the religious leaders of his day refused to believe in. Do you think maybe the same thing goes on today?
Does evil still masquerade as being Good? When there is only one that is good
Thanks for bringing old and new together as they are really the first and second as a whole word from God, just a lot of discernment in the two, to fit together as one.

 

[homwardbound]

Peace be with you, the thread may be in one context but in sound doctrine Romans 8 proves practicing the Old that brings death and practicing the New of the redeeming MESSIAH brings spirit and life.
The Covenant is like a Contract when one accept it, all of that is written one must abide.
JESUS the MESSIAH is the New Covenant builder that stands yesterday, today and forever (eternal life)
Apostle Paul who represent CHRIST went on to say this Law of the Old was just a custodian until CHRIST's SPIRITUAL Law of the HOLY SPIRIT the very SPIRIT of the LIVING GOD who raised JESUS CHRIST to life who will also raise the ones in spirit and truth to life when the will of the FATHER is done .
Do not argue taking out of context but learn from the HOLY SPIRIT sound doctrine (the whole picture about the Old Covenant and the New and reconize it's builder of the New, GOD's only begotten SON)

I think it obvious Christ was expanding to the first Chosen what the true law is and that is love as found in Deuteronomy 6 where those great commandments are written, yet the first chosen did not see it this way instead they sought out after their own righteousness and stumbled over the stumblingstone as many today are doing the same going after the works of the law, claiming it to be the works of Faith and they behind closed doors know it is not and are repenting over and over again and not confessing to be freed, so end up acting as if they are and are not. Why because not many are accepting Christ's final sacrifice for sin as being forgiven once and for all, so they are stuck in walking in the energy of their own flesh not seeing the new life offered in the resurrection of Christ by Father as described in Rom. 6:1-11

For God is the same, today, yesterday and forever, God made the promise to Abraham 430 years before God put law in place, so from Abraham it was and is by Faith (belief) (trust) in God first and foremost for Salvation, as always has been
Also if one studies well, then they will see that we after the death of Christ we are in a new Covenant under new Laws, and under a new Priesthood
Hebrews 9:15-17
Hebrews 7:11-12
We are not under the letter of the Law we are under the life of the Spirit of God, by God first loving us. Thus we respond to God instead of trying to get God to respond to us.

 

[homwardbound]

Peace be wit you all, i am merely an unworthy servant just doing my given duty to only build and edify to unity in the name of the FATHER, SON and the HOLY GHOST of the NEW COVENANT.
In the natural world, an employer will not continue with his employees focusing in the old contract when he has already given the new through his son. As one employees in understanding with the employer, he has already done away with the old, achieving it through his son the only achiever for all the other employee who have failed.
Judge for yourself, who do you think the employer want us to follow in order to excel in the future, in togetherness for the successful of the company as one family.
Do we want to abide or oppose, even to the lack of understanding?
Unless one continue in the sound doctrine of the successful contract author of the New then he or she who is new will understand the other true senior employees, who have continued with the employer only helping, trying to explain the truth as witnesses of the whole thing about the contracts which already been justified by the employer.

So let us therefore give up what we think we need at the moment (world) could it be, for what we know we need and want in the long run (life forever) could it be?
For then the rich man walked away very sad not being able to give up this world even though he had obeyed the Laws and was self righteous in this, he could not give up his riches as many today I think might not be able to either, and that does not stop at riches. It could be anything one holds dear to here on earth, So in the great tribulation, as you are told to deny God and take the Mark of the Beast or We will kill your Husband, your Children, your whatever you value here on earth to get you to deny God will be presented to anyone to take the Mark of the beast.
So imagine yourself there what will you do? Call on God who lives in you if you believe God if not change your mind and ask God, to teach you trust of God over all Humanity, and God will and we all will be ready if this ever comes to be a situation any of us are ever in.
We can yell out to our kids that are about to be killed to get us to take the Mark of the beast, and say It won't be long and I will see you in Heaven, standing fast to the end giving up the world, for what we need which is life forever with the Savior and Father of Jesus Christ.
Christ already did this for us in our place, and I say WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you how about you

 

[Wall]

For the legalists here, they think Jesus referred to the ministry of condemnation/death (which includes 10 commandments).

But Jesus actually meant the following 2 commandments.

1John 3:22,23
we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

And love one another

ROMANS 13 [8] Owe no man any thing, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, Thou shalt not bear false witness, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

You do see how we are to fulfill this LOVE ONE ANOTHER command.....Yup! By keeping HIS 10 commandments

 

[just-me]

Does evil still masquerade as being Good? When there is only one that is good
Thanks for bringing old and new together as they are really the first and second as a whole word from God, just a lot of discernment in the two, to fit together as one.

I think so, and when we Christians deny the law, we make up our own rules concerning love. I think that the "love" that has been defined today, is a "love" that is interpreted as whatever makes us feel good, for the most part. It is a "love" that requires no right to judge, leading to arbitrary forgiveness, ending in enhancing corruption.
Galatians 6:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

 

[homwardbound]

I think so, and when we Christians deny the law, we make up our own rules concerning love. I think that the "love" that has been defined today, is a "love" that is interpreted as whatever makes us feel good, for the most part. It is a "love" that requires no right to judge, leading to arbitrary forgiveness, ending in enhancing corruption.
Galatians 6:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

There is only one type of Love and that is God's type that God pours on the born again Spirit, best described 1Cor.13:4-13 and 1-3 shows we can do anything yet without God(LOVE) we are nothing.
And the born again Spirit is in the resurrected Christ, yet first one must die to self back at the cross with Christ before the new really does begin in consciousness,
[h=3]Romans 6:4[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

 

[haz]

And love one another

ROMANS 13 [8] Owe no man any thing, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, Thou shalt not bear false witness, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

You do see how we are to fulfill this LOVE ONE ANOTHER command.....Yup! By keeping HIS 10 commandments

We both follow different doctrines.

The 10 commandments you push for is part of the law of sin and death (the ministry of condemnation/death that was done away with, 2Cor 3:7). Hence you judge just as the Pharisees did, that we're unrighteous if we do not have perfect obedience to the law.

However, under grace there is no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus. The thief on the cross found this, and he had no works/obedience to the law to prove he was righteous.
Another notable point under grace is that Christians forgive 7x70, as we love one another just as God loved us and forgave us.

But under the doctrine of works of the law that you follow, there is no forgiveness 7x70. Under the doctrine you follow we see only the letter of the law, demanding perfect obedience or else condemnation and death results (just as the Pharisees did)

 

[just-me]

Will somebody enlighten me on why we disagree on the format of the Old and New Testament purpose?
Colossians 1:12-20 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Now if one TRULY considers this scripture and TRULY believes in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as One, why on earth do we take bits and pieces of scripture and use them to subtly separate the God of creation from Jesus Christ? What do you suppose our father in heaven is thinking about our arguments? According to the scripture I posted our Lord and Savior was there on Mt Sinai with Moses giving him the law, and on the mount of Transfiguration Moses was with Jesus giving Him the priesthood through the tribe of Judah. If we separate the context of His Word given to us, we fail to understand the purpose of this dynamic plan of salvation that was instigated before creation.
John 17:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

[crossnote]

Will somebody enlighten me on why we disagree on the format of the Old and New Testament purpose?
Colossians 1:12-20 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Now if one TRULY considers this scripture and TRULY believes in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as One, why on earth do we take bits and pieces of scripture and use them to subtly separate the God of creation from Jesus Christ? What do you suppose our father in heaven is thinking about our arguments? According to the scripture I posted our Lord and Savior was there on Mt Sinai with Moses giving him the law, and on the mount of Transfiguration Moses was with Jesus giving Him the priesthood through the tribe of Judah. If we separate the context of His Word given to us, we fail to understand the purpose of this dynamic plan of salvation that was instigated before creation.
John 17:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Though both Testtaments point to Christ, there are some who want to cling to the Tutor (law) rather than the One whom the tutor has pointed to.