Keep The Commandments

[eternally-gratefull]

You failed at answering those questions,, how about explaining how an atheist can be faithful to his spouse. I know an atheist. He is a loving family man. Loves his kids, spends nearly all of his free time at the schools, helping with kids, raising money for the school,, goes on field trips with students.

He doesn't believe in a God. Yet he quit smoking,,, How did he do that? He has zero faith,, yet he doesn't cheat on his wife. Can you explain how he can keep the laws,

Do you not read the NT? Did not the pharisees do this? How can they, who mocked God with their religion and were no more saved than the athiest do those things? Because they do what THEY THINK is right. It is called man's morals..And it glorifies man, Not God. There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Do you think these people are perfect?? You continue to focus (like the pharisees) on the big sins. You ignore the little ones..

but a christian like me cannot, and on top of that, I'm doomed to eternal hell,, all because I chose to beleive in Jesus?

I don't know your sins, Nor would I care unless I was in a discipleship, or pastoring relationship with you. But until I was sure you were saved, non of them would even matter.

People who are doomed to hell are doomed for one reason and one reason only. They do not have FAITH in the living work of Christ who paid for their sin and promised eternal life to ALL who trust him. How many or what sins they commit does not matter. ALL have sinned and fall short. We are all in the same boat apart from Christ.

The Religious Christ and the Athiest who reject Christ alone for salvation will both suffer eternally if they do not repent. IT DOES NOT MATTER.

Can you go ahead and just list all the denominations that will be going to hell? I would like to see your list. I believe you have one. Do tell?

lol. I do not get into denominations. I get into the one and only Gospel.. Many denominations teach this. Which one, I do not know all of them..

Why is it you will not even respond to what I say, but continue to come after me with these questions??

You demand answers, but you never give any.. WHY?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This thread has become merry-go-round. Eternally-grateful is the only one saved,, that's apparent..He has sit here ansd repeatedly told us that we are not saved. It's not off topic,, being faithful to your spouse is a commandment. every post is talking about laws. So,, I'm not off topic.

Yeah I am the only one saved (rolls eyes)

Some people need to look in the mirror.. According to you I m not saved, Because in your eyes, "I love my sin" yet you can;t even prove that..

 

[sunshinelovin1700]

This thread has become merry-go-round. Eternally-grateful is the only one saved,, that's apparent..He has sit here ansd repeatedly told us that we are not saved. It's not off topic,, being faithful to your spouse is a commandment. every post is talking about laws. So,, I'm not off topic.

you don't have to explain yourself to me Michael. I and I'm sure I'm not the only one would like to see you guys just agree to disagree and move on. I'm not trying to be rude so forgive me if I come across as such.

 

[Laodicea]

Hmm So those who have faith WILL keep commands. But then again, They MAY NOT.

which is it? sounds awfull contradictory to me.

Do you believe that God has given freedom of choice or do you believe in predestination?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For weeks eternally grateful has told me I am not saved because I keep the Commandments.

No. for weeks I have been telling everyone if they keep the commands to be saved, or keep their salvation they are believing in law and not grace.

If that offends you, or makes you feel bad. Then I guess I must be hitting a nerve..

So,, it would seem to me, that an atheist is in better stead with God because he could care less about being saved. He merely loves his wife and wants only to be with her. But, according to Eternally-grateful, I being a Christian, who keeps the Law because I love Jesus,, am going to hell,, because I frustrate the grace of God and cause Him to destroy me.

lol. Wow.. I hope you do not talk to your friends that way, Everyone who does not agree with you has an alterior motive and must believe this.. No one can ever have a discussion with you. Because if they disagree with you they must

1. Love sin
2. Hate those who are gods children
3. Think Athiest are more closer to God than you (even though over and over I say we are ALL UNWORTHY, Something you evidently can not comprehend!

Again, more false accusations. how can you sleep with yourself??

I teach that we are to obey God,, eternal teaches we are to disobey God. Go figure,,,

Do back your facts, Show where I claim we are to disobay God? Man you have major issues..

Oh and about you minusing me points..Do you think I care?

it is obvious you do not care about much other than puffing yourself up and tearing others down..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you believe that God has given freedom of choice or do you believe in predestination?

I believe as you stated earlier. Anyone born of God through true faith will obey the commands, And would never even think of departing from the faith to the point they stop believing.

That anyone who claims to have faith that one day decides it was all a lie, and there is no God was never saved, As John said, "they departed from us, for THEY WERE NEVER OF US, for if THEY WERE OF US, they NEVER WOULD HAVE LEFT.

I have done things, I have fallen, even been a prodigal Child. But I never stopped believing. And my prodigal life was continually full of Guilt, Of Chastening, and of misery.. Which according the the word of God.. WILL HAPPEN.

It is not a free will thing, like someone could leave.

it is a true repentance and true faith thing.

It is also the omniscience of God thing.. God is NOT GOING to GIVE someone he KNOWS will one day chose to leave and give God the finger his gift of eternal life, KNOWING one day he will have to take it back. making it NOT eternal life at all.

God knew us before we were born, He predestined us before time began.. to be his sons..Based on his foreknowledge.. If he could know who we were before creation. He most definately can know us before he gives us his gift..

don't you agree??

 

[Michael50]

Do you not read the NT? Did not the pharisees do this? How can they, who mocked God with their religion and were no more saved than the athiest do those things? Because they do what THEY THINK is right. It is called man's morals..And it glorifies man, Not God. There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Do you think these people are perfect?? You continue to focus (like the pharisees) on the big sins. You ignore the little ones..




I don't know your sins, Nor would I care unless I was in a discipleship, or pastoring relationship with you. But until I was sure you were saved, non of them would even matter.

People who are doomed to hell are doomed for one reason and one reason only. They do not have FAITH in the living work of Christ who paid for their sin and promised eternal life to ALL who trust him. How many or what sins they commit does not matter. ALL have sinned and fall short. We are all in the same boat apart from Christ.

The Religious Christ and the Athiest who reject Christ alone for salvation will both suffer eternally if they do not repent. IT DOES NOT MATTER.




lol. I do not get into denominations. I get into the one and only Gospel.. Many denominations teach this. Which one, I do not know all of them..

Why is it you will not even respond to what I say, but continue to come after me with these questions??

You demand answers, but you never give any.. WHY?

Look,, I'm just reading your posts. It's apparent that you are conveying an idea that some folks are not saved. You are not suggesting they are doomed because they don't believe in Christ. You are claiming they are doomed for another reason.

So, with that being said,,, you obviously have a select group of individuals that you feel are not worshipping in a manner that would benefit them by recieving Eternal Life thru Jesus.

So,, either you are just outright speculating on the Salvation of individuals,, or you have pre-concieved ideas about which Denominations fit the message that you are attempting to convey but you refuse to come clean and name them.

I don't expect you to name them. I believe folks from all denominations will be in heaven. Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think anybody joined this sight and has any intention of tossing their beliefs for another doctrine. I wonder how many actually have changed their church denomination because of debate on CC?

You are not going to change my mind. I don't expect I can change yours.

The posts don't seem to be going anywhere. It all seems like a merry-go-round to me.

The only way I see sombody's mind changing is something so profound that even a person in denial would sit up and take notice.

Ever heard of the Korean Conflict? Stalemate... No hard feelings, just a stalemate.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Look,, I'm just reading your posts. It's apparent that you are conveying an idea that some folks are not saved. You are not suggesting they are doomed because they don't believe in Christ. You are claiming they are doomed for another reason.

No, You don;t read my posts.

1. You never respond to points I make
2. You never answer any questions I ask
3. You continue to say I believe things which contradict EVERYTHING I say in my posts.

So, with that being said,,, you obviously have a select group of individuals that you feel are not worshipping in a manner that would benefit them by recieving Eternal Life thru Jesus.

Yes. THOSE WHO TRUST HIM COMPLETELY INSPITE OF THEMSELVES TO GIVE THEM WHAT HE PROMISED TO GIVE ALL WHO TRUST HIM AND HIM ALONE.

So,, either you are just outright speculating on the Salvation of individuals,, or you have pre-concieved ideas about which Denominations fit the message that you are attempting to convey but you refuse to come clean and name them.

There is ONE gospel. Not two, Not three. Not 4 or 5 or 100. (gal 1) Not all denominations believe in the same gospel. Many believe in the same gospel but differ in other areas.

It is the GOSPEL that matters. Not what denomination. so why would I answer denomination??

I don't expect you to name them. I believe folks from all denominations will be in heaven. Maybe I'm wrong.

So you believe there are many gospels? and not just one? even though Paul made it clear. if ANYONE teach a different gospel they are to be accursed?? That is leaning on universalism. But I do not believe you are a universalist.. So maybe you need to rephrase what you just said.

I don't think anybody joined this sight and has any intention of tossing their beliefs for another doctrine. I wonder how many actually have changed their church denomination because of debate on CC?

Some people come here looking for answers. And some have come to Christ. Even I have changed my view or questioned my view on things. Some have closed minds though!!

You are not going to change my mind. I don't expect I can change yours.

The posts don't seem to be going anywhere. It all seems like a merry-go-round to me.

The only way I see sombody's mind changing is something so profound that even a person in denial would sit up and take notice.

Ever heard of the Korean Conflict? Stalemate... No hard feelings, just a stalemate.

lol. I am not trying to change your mind. I am trying to prove your false accusations against people like me (of which there are many of us) are in error. And try to get you to understand why you think the way you do about us.

You can;t claim we are not going to change your mind, or anything when you can;t even understand what we believe because you have no desire to..

And when you make a point which goes against what I believe, or those like me, I AM GOING TO RESPOND..

 

[Shiloah]

I just have to say in regard to the belief in once-saved-always-saved, last night I saw this verse and feel it makes a definitive statement in regard to this belief.

Romans 11:

You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

I think my point is obvious. Why would Paul give his audience (apparent believers that have been grafted into the vine; hence, "saved") this warning if they could not possibly lose their salvation? I myself would assume if told this, exactly what it says: that if I did not continue in God's goodness, as in, I fell into sin and chose to remain there, I would be cut off. Which would have to mean that I would lose my salvation.

And yeah, the commandments tell us what sin is.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I just have to say in regard to the belief in once-saved-always-saved, last night I saw this verse and feel it makes a definitive statement in regard to this belief.

Romans 11:

You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

I think my point is obvious. Why would Paul give his audience (apparent believers that have been grafted into the vine; hence, "saved") this warning if they could not possibly lose their salvation? I myself would assume if told this, exactly what it says: that if I did not continue in God's goodness, as in, I fell into sin and chose to remain there, I would be cut off. Which would have to mean that I would lose my salvation.

Because paul is not talking about induviduals. He is talking about two peoples.

The jews were Gods chosen, They (as a nation) was cut off. The gentiles, who were not Gods people, were grafted in.

Context of passages is very important. this passage is not talking about induviduals losing salvation.

As for you falling into sin. You have not fallen out of sin.. Paul makes this clear in romans 7. we always struggle with sin!

 

[Shiloah]

Because paul is not talking about induviduals. He is talking about two peoples.

The jews were Gods chosen, They (as a nation) was cut off. The gentiles, who were not Gods people, were grafted in.

Context of passages is very important. this passage is not talking about induviduals losing salvation.

As for you falling into sin. You have not fallen out of sin.. Paul makes this clear in romans 7. we always struggle with sin!

Well yes we do. Yes obviously, Paul is talking about the Jews being cut off. But when he addresses those that have been grafted in, he would have to be talking about gentiles, otherwise why would they have to be grafted in? Let's put this back in context.

11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
[SUP]8 [/SUP](According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

[SUP]13 [/SUP]For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

[SUP]14 [/SUP]If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

[SUP]17[/SUP]And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Paul was speaking to the gentiles about the Jews, which had been removed from the vine because they rejected Christ and were replaced by those gentiles that accepted Christ. He states that those Jews that did not stay with unbelief (and obviously came to believe) could be easily grafted back in, and those that were not natural to the vine cut be easily cut off, especially if those natural to the vine had been cut off.

P.S. Sorry, I used an awful old translation here. (I'm not sure why that smiley face is there either. I didn't put it there and can't seem to remove it! lol).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well yes we do. Yes obviously, Paul is talking about the Jews being cut off. But when he addresses those that have been grafted in, he would have to be talking about gentiles, otherwise why would they have to be grafted in? Let's put this back in context.

11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
[SUP]8 [/SUP](According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

[SUP]13 [/SUP]For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

[SUP]14 [/SUP]If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

[SUP]17[/SUP]And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Paul was speaking to the gentiles about the Jews, which had been removed from the vine because they rejected Christ and were replaced by those gentiles that accepted Christ. He states that those Jews that did not stay with unbelief (and obviously came to believe) could be easily grafted back in, and those that were not natural to the vine cut be easily cut off, especially if those natural to the vine had been cut off.

P.S. Sorry, I used an awful old translation here. (I'm not sure why that smiley face is there either. I didn't put it there and can't seem to remove it! lol).

Its ok about the translation.

Think about context.

The jews were Gods chosen.. By law they had the promises. But it did not mean they were saved.. it just meant they were the chosen of God.

The gentiles were not chosen. Thus not given Gods promises.. But since the jews rejected Christ, they were (as a nation) cut off (the are blinded in part) and the gentiles are grafted in.

Paul is writing this to gentiles. to let them know not to be so puffed up because they Got in and God has taken away from the jews.. Because this partition hardening will be removed.

The context is jew vs gentile. Not individual people..

The cutting off of the gentiles, and regrafting of the jews is a term. If the gentiles do what the jews did, And the jews would repent, The promises would be given back to them, (the natural branch) and taken away from the gentiles.

In other words, he is not saying some jews were saved, then got cut off. He is saying, even though there are many Jews saved, They, as a nation, were cut off.

Does this make sense?

 

[Shiloah]

You know what else? I really have to wonder what "[SUP]18 [/SUP]Boast not against the branches," means. Other version say things like "don't be arrogant against the branches," and "But don’t think you are better than the branches that were cut away," and such.

 

[Shiloah]

Its ok about the translation.

Think about context.

The jews were Gods chosen.. By law they had the promises. But it did not mean they were saved.. it just meant they were the chosen of God.

The gentiles were not chosen. Thus not given Gods promises.. But since the jews rejected Christ, they were (as a nation) cut off (the are blinded in part) and the gentiles are grafted in.

Paul is writing this to gentiles. to let them know not to be so puffed up because they Got in and God has taken away from the jews.. Because this partition hardening will be removed.

The context is jew vs gentile. Not individual people..

The cutting off of the gentiles, and regrafting of the jews is a term. If the gentiles do what the jews did, And the jews would repent, The promises would be given back to them, (the natural branch) and taken away from the gentiles.

In other words, he is not saying some jews were saved, then got cut off. He is saying, even though there are many Jews saved, They, as a nation, were cut off.

Does this make sense?

I'm sorry, I definitely see this as addressing individuals. Do you think they'd be cut off as a group? That wouldn't make sense at all. He's telling them to make sure to continue in their faith or belief as that is the very reason the Jews (who are the natural branches) were originally cut away. How again, could that possibly be talking about the gentiles in general? If you'll notice, he comes back around and says, after he's said the Jews were cut off, to not boast against the branches... "for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

I just don't see how that last verse can be seen as anything else but a warning that if you don't stand, you will be cut off. And again, that obviously could not be referring to a group of gentiles, let alone, the whole bunch. God judges on an individual basis.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You know what else? I really have to wonder what "[SUP]18 [/SUP]Boast not against the branches," means. Other version say things like "don't be arrogant against the branches," and "But don’t think you are better than the branches that were cut away," and such.

It means don't get so puffed up like they did (remember how proud they were, and how hatefull of us gentiles they were?)

In other words, Don't think you got this because you were so great, Because of your great works, or your ability to follow religious rules. or because your fathers where so great (the mistake the jews made, which caused them to be blinded to the truth of Christ in the first place) for if you do get this way, You will suffer the same fate. For then your sould will be looking at self and how good you are, instead of to christ at what he did for you. which is what happened to them, and why they rejected Christ, they though their obeying Gods laws is what made them Holy..Much like alot of the church does today.

Also to the point, God is not done with them, Their blindness is only in part. One day they will repent..

They are our enemy concerning the gospel but beloved for the promises.. he is warning against what was already becoming a problem in the church, which got severe in later years, and still is rampant today. extreme hate for the jews..

We are treating them as they treated us. 2 wrongs do not make a right etc..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm sorry, I definitely see this as addressing individuals. Do you think they'd be cut off as a group? That wouldn't make sense at all. He's telling them to make sure to continue in their faith or belief as that is the very reason the Jews (who are the natural branches) were originally cut away. How again, could that possibly be talking about the gentiles in general? If you'll notice, he comes back around and says, after he's said the Jews were cut off, to not boast against the branches... "for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

I just don't see how that last verse can be seen as anything else but a warning that if you don't stand, you will be cut off. And again, that obviously could not be referring to a group of gentiles, let alone, the whole bunch. God judges on an individual basis.

Well then we can;t agree.

Who are they? JEWS (A Group)

Who was blinded in part? Jews (A group)

who are you (thou) Gentiles. a group.

The jews were cut off in AD 70 when they lost their land, City and scattered throughout the world. Who was it that help Gods word then? The Gentiles. who became the priests? Gentiles. Who became the disciples and leaders proclaiming God to the world? Gentiles.

Before this, The jews held this priviledge,

 

[Shiloah]

It means don't get so puffed up like they did (remember how proud they were, and how hatefull of us gentiles they were?)

In other words, Don't think you got this because you were so great, Because of your great works, or your ability to follow religious rules. or because your fathers where so great (the mistake the jews made, which caused them to be blinded to the truth of Christ in the first place) for if you do get this way, You will suffer the same fate. For then your sould will be looking at self and how good you are, instead of to christ at what he did for you. which is what happened to them, and why they rejected Christ, they though their obeying Gods laws is what made them Holy..Much like alot of the church does today.

Also to the point, God is not done with them, Their blindness is only in part. One day they will repent..

They are our enemy concerning the gospel but beloved for the promises.. he is warning against what was already becoming a problem in the church, which got severe in later years, and still is rampant today. extreme hate for the jews..

We are treating them as they treated us. 2 wrongs do not make a right etc..

He was addressing gentiles when he said this. Maybe you are saying that. I'm just saying it makes me wonder when it comes to gentile Christians picking on Jews because they rejected Christ, thinking we're better than them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He was addressing gentiles when he said this.

yes he was.. Don't get proud and make the same mistakes the jews made..

 

[Shiloah]

Well then we can;t agree.

Who are they? JEWS (A Group)

Who was blinded in part? Jews (A group)

who are you (thou) Gentiles. a group.

The jews were cut off in AD 70 when they lost their land, City and scattered throughout the world. Who was it that help Gods word then? The Gentiles. who became the priests? Gentiles. Who became the disciples and leaders proclaiming God to the world? Gentiles.

Before this, The jews held this priviledge,

Yeah, I'm afraid we can't agree on this. Oh well.... lol.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yeah, I'm afraid we can't agree on this. Oh well.... lol.

lol. Its all good.

Just remember this. eternal life is eternal. not conditional. if God wanted us to know it was conditional, he would have called it conditional. or if anything, just life.

He said we can know we have it.. not might have it.

We can never earn gods love, or his forgiveness.. Thus how can we lose it (if we could never earn it to begin with)

this is the part I will never understand why people believe eternal security is no security at all.