gal 3:10-12 to those who keep looking law ward.

[just-us-2]

It seems to me that we have multitudes of arguments on this subject because people tend to not really read or hear what another is saying. (Enter: humility.) I don't know of any Christian who says we should be living the sacrificial law. Christ has already taken care of that for Believers. The arguments seem to keep popping up that those who are saying we should recognize the Mosaic Law as relevant for instruction, are being attacked as if they had said we must live under the law as in the times before Christ made the ultimate sacrifice. The law was given because of our sinful nature and our sinful nature will always be there, warring against the Spirit. Even if we are saved we still need to recognize our sinful nature.
Galatians 3:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Romans 7:22-25 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[crossnote]

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

But the law does not help in the battle against the sinful nature except reveal it and even stir it up. Rom7 and 1Cor 15:

 

[just-us-2]

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

But the law does not help in the battle against the sinful nature except reveal it and even stir it up. Rom7 and 1Cor 15:

Yes, that's what I said...or did you not really read my post? To reiterate my previous point using other words to maybe make it more easily understood, people are so-o-o-o concerned with making their own point or "winning" an argument that they don't really hear what the other person is saying because they don't digest the whole context of others' comments... the same thing is done with the Bible...bits and pieces are cherry-picked out of it to construct a belief one can be comfortable with.

 

[GreenNnice]

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

But the law does not help in the battle against the sinful nature except reveal it and even stir it up. Rom7 and 1Cor 15:

Exactly, crossnoted. LIVE in the Spirit. He will REVEAL all truth, all Truth

 

[Grandpa]

Yes, that's what I said...or did you not really read my post? To reiterate my previous point using other words to maybe make it more easily understood, people are so-o-o-o concerned with making their own point or "winning" an argument that they don't really hear what the other person is saying because they don't digest the whole context of others' comments... the same thing is done with the Bible...bits and pieces are cherry-picked out of it to construct a belief one can be comfortable with.

2 Corinthians 3:13-18
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:[SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Are we changed by beholding sin and the sin nature? No. That just keeps you on your merry-go-round. Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the Truth.

We are changed by beholding the glory of the Lord. By the Spirit. Not by what the flesh works to achieve...

I'm not trying to win any argument. It would be so much easier if the ways of men were the way to Christ. I understand working... But Resting in His Finished Work. Walking in the Spirit. Those things are difficult to understand much less walk in...

 

[just-us-2]

Are we changed by beholding sin and the sin nature? No. That just keeps you on your merry-go-round. Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the Truth.
We are changed by beholding the glory of the Lord. By the Spirit. Not by what the flesh works to achieve...
I'm not trying to win any argument. It would be so much easier if the ways of men were the way to Christ. I understand working... But Resting in His Finished Work. Walking in the Spirit. Those things are difficult to understand much less walk in...

The veil described, and the abolishing mentioned are correct. What people fail to understand is that all of the Bible is still relevant. If we want to deny the law, we are right because we are looking at it through the eyes of the flesh. If we endorse the law, and believe in the salvation of Jesus Christ, we are seeing the law as Spiritual and good as Paul describes it. The argument then comes from whether we are of a carnal mind, or a Spiritual mind, and then it becomes a personal attack for the ones that see the law as Spiritual. If believers endorse the law, then the ones that don't endorse it sound as if they are condemning them as being in the flesh, and the works of the flesh. In the other direction the ones who deny the law feel condemned because they are labeled as having a non-repentant heart. There would be agreement on all counts if they both saw the Word of God (all of it, no less or no more than the rest of Gods Word) through the Spiritual eyes that the Bible clearly endorses.

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 (KJV)
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

So, you have the right to deny the Mosaic Law through the capability of “choice” which God gave us, but the question remains: what is the purpose of denying the law? There is only one reason – you can’t see, or don’t want to see, the spiritual reality of it. Further, if anyone endorses the law in the flesh, they are not walking in the Spirit either. Think about the caul and the kidneys burnt on the altar of sacrifice in the Old Testament. They represent nothing else but the exception of what the soul of man digests through the ways of the world. See the point that the law endorses spiritually? Those things weren’t destroyed on the altar once – it was a scheduled statute, day after day, week after week, depending on the sin because it was a peace offering. I will submit one more scripture reference so you can understand where I am coming from.

Philippians 4:8-9 (KJV)
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

 

[crossnote]

Yes, that's what I said...or did you not really read my post? To reiterate my previous point using other words to maybe make it more easily understood, people are so-o-o-o concerned with making their own point or "winning" an argument that they don't really hear what the other person is saying because they don't digest the whole context of others' comments... the same thing is done with the Bible...bits and pieces are cherry-picked out of it to construct a belief one can be comfortable with.

Yes and some read too much into a post thinking they are criticizing their post.

 

[GreenNnice]

Yes and some read too much into a post thinking they are criticizing their post.

The Lord leads, crossnoted, but one should criticize when deemed a positive understanding is the fruit, just between the two of us (and a fencepost), I think, what she said was positive criticism, not to mention, revelation, which, actually started a post or two ago. She's speaking truth, we get soooo caught up in our interpretation of the law that we forget why God gave us the Truth, to fulfill the Law, not abolish it "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

 

[crossnote]

The Lord leads, crossnoted, but one should criticize when deemed a positive understanding is the fruit, just between the two of us (and a fencepost), I think, what she said was positive criticism, not to mention, revelation, which, actually started a post or two ago. She's speaking truth, we get soooo caught up in our interpretation of the law that we forget why God gave us the Truth, to fulfill the Law, not abolish it "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

I'm not sure why everybody (well,many) are on this 'abolishing the law' kick. Only an antinomian holds that and I don't know any on this forum that are against the Law. Christ fulfilled the Law and it is being worked out in us who have the Holy Spirit and..by the Spirit (no room for boasting). We have the Holy Spirit not because we kept the law but embraced the Gospel of Grace.

 

[homwardbound]

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

But the law does not help in the battle against the sinful nature except reveal it and even stir it up. Rom7 and 1Cor 15:

And this is where I think we are to see:
[h=3]Galatians 6:8[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)


[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

From my discovery of trying not to sin, I found as Paul said all I did was sin all the more, so I had to stop trying to not sin, for that was causing my sin, and start trusting God in the Spirit of God that he gave to us all, to be able to walk in God through Christ's resurrection.
This does not mean that we won't ever sin again it means less and less and if we don't we won't get proud or boastful over it and need a messenger of Satan to buffet us as Paul explained so well in 2 Cor. 12:7 on
And this is why we are told to walk by the Spirit of God so we won't sin, yet if we do we have Jesus Christ our advocate, so that we now we are forgiven, that there is no more forgiveness to be executed to us from God's vantage point, because Christ took it all at his death
Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

For me my need to me is constant whether I sin or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[homwardbound]

And that is exactly what Christ did was fulfill the Law and the Prophets as he said he came to do he did and then at the cross he yells out
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Then after three days being dead in the body, as proof of the death, he rose from the death, alive forever more at the right hand of God.
So here is what took place at the death

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator

Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Now that is what his death brought unto us all that believe, and now we are in and under a new Covenant, under a new priesthood, and under new Laws, the laws of Love that are the fulfillment of all Law in the Spirit not the letter

Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Notice not in the Levitical Priesthood, not in the order of Aaron

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

We therefore are not under the Ten Commandments or the Mosaic law of what 314, 316 or so at all ant more. Nor are we free to not Love as we did not being under the letter of law, rather we are free to love all whether we are agreed with or not.
And if others see the Ten Commandments as Spiritual, so be it. For the Laws of Love where never put in the Ten, Spiritual part, yet was written to be there in Deut. 6, but was not
God from the beginning has loved us all, by his Mercy to all of us, so why can't we show Mercy and trust God to get each of us to stand and just plant and water, letting God give the increase.
Just Love as God Love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now depending on how much one thinks God love them is exactly how much love that will show back period, no more no less.
So let us each ask God to show us each personally and then respond accordingly okay?
Thanks for taking the time to read this