Rock Music - It Kills - Another good & informative article by Terry Watkins

[RickShafer]

once i listened to a rock station and heard this song that
made me rob a bagal store....yes i stole every last bagal.
Since then ill never listen to rock again.

I know this was said in jest
And I'm not saying that music will drive someone to do something that they wouldn't have already done,
but it's powerful.
Personally, I think it mainly gets in the spirit of the human. - Not to make them do something, but more at a kind of weight(like an anchor).
Also God's music can uplift(or provide buoyancy).
- God uses rock too. - (But not in anyway the same as Lucifer).
- God doesn't go for sensual. - Not in relation to serving Him.

 

[Abiding]

I know this was said in jest
And I'm not saying that music will drive someone to do something that they wouldn't have already done,
but it's powerful.
Personally, I think it mainly gets in the spirit of the human. - Not to make them do something, but more at a kind of weight(like an anchor).
Also God's music can uplift(or provide buoyancy).
- God uses rock too. - (But not in anyway the same as Lucifer).

Ya i know ive been completely out of the media and most all music for years
just not in the mood often to pump anything in my brain that isnt bach

 

[SarahM777]

Okay, you got a point there Sarah.

But let me ask you this, do they at least present the Gospel at these so called "Christian" concerts?

UMM The ones I was at they did. (Not that I have been to many) The ones I was at they were very clear on the message and the gospel.

 

[RickShafer]

Ya i know ive been completely out of the media and most all music for years
just not in the mood often to pump anything in my brain that isnt bach

I was just thinking about Bach earlier today,........do you know that his works would have been lost to antiquity if not for a young upstart virtuoso pianist named Felix Mendelssohn that discovered his works while rummaging old, forgotten music for a different piece to play?
Can you imagine that?

 

[RickShafer]

Getting back to rock music - the rolling stones.
- Kieth Richards writes nearly all their music, and he gets alot of song ideas at seances.
He admits to it.
- - Also, Jimmy Page got the whole song, "Stairway to Heaven" while lying on an alter; (he bought Alester Crowley's mansion)
- - - He said it came to him in an instant.
Satan is good at music. - That's something he does well. (Knows what buttons to push)

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Chosen,

They are telling you what THEY USED IT FOR.

They researched the rock music issue Sarah. It is pretty clear. They were literally going over the science behind music, particularly the music of rock & roll.

People can find and do evil with anything. Some people will look for evil in everything they see.

Well yeah, but that still does not condone bringing in pagan based music in to the churches and trying to worship God with that kind of flesh-based music. It doesn't work Sarah.

We are not to go by our feelings. Or are preferences as standards of truth. We are to go the word of God.

Our feelings can deceive us. And our feelings are unstable.

9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? - Jeremiah 17:9 (Holy Bible)But the word of God is solid as a rock. It shall stand forever.

Why? The man who was using the study should be the one to lay out the entire test. Most people when they use tests like that and leave out the PARAMETERS of the test often have their own agenda. They love the results,no doubt about because it "proves" their point. They like leaving out what the test actually was because people will see the flaws in the test itself.

Well this was not the case Sarah, you see there were no quotes from Independent Fundamental Baptists preachers as far as I know on this website. Just about all of these quotes are taken from secular sources. You have basically secular rock musicians coming and saying yeah rock music means this. It means fornication, it is about Satan worship. I mean it doesn't take too much discernment Sarah to figure that out. Wouldn't you think that if there was an agenda from these secular artists, don't you think they would try to make their music look good? Again, consider that Sarah. They were coming right out and saying "yeah, rock n' roll is all about sex." In fact, that one musician John Oates, said that "Rock n' roll is 99% sex." No hidden agenda, I mean if there was some agenda, well then the rock stars and secular artists sure did a bad job of hiding the evils behind their music and its culture.

Do you mean to tell me the 1812 Overture,The Hungarian Rhapsody,Beethoven's 9th don't appeal to the flesh in some way and form? Didn't almost all of the Loony Tunes cartoons use CLASSICAL MUSIC? How about the older Disney flicks?
Do you understand that all music plays to the emotions,doesn't matter whether it's classical,country,or whatever genre?
When did God ever change His mind that if it's not from Him it's worldly and carnal NO MATTER THE FORM IT TAKES.
Since when did we ever get to the point that NON CHRISTIAN CLASSICAL COMPOSERS somehow wrote BETTER and more spiritual music just because it's classical?

Well Sarah; let me ask you this, does Classical music appeal to the flesh in the same way that rock n' roll does? Does listening to classical music make a person want to go out and shoot someone or fight with someone?

Does listening to classical music make a person want to sin, and fornicate like listening to rock n' roll does?

Please understand Sarah, I am not trying to be crude here, just trying to make a point.

Does classical music have some type of appeal to the flesh? Perhaps, possibly. But for one thing, classical music does not put a primary emphasis on rhythm like rock n' roll music does. And that is a fact. Melody is for the spirit, harmony is for the soul, and rhythm is for the body.

It is interesting how even music, its very composition has three main components to it, just like man and woman have body, soul and spirit.

Also, Classical musical is not based primarily on Rhythm like rock n' roll is. It is based on mainly harmony and melody. So it definitely ain't going to have the same effect as rock n' roll does. Since rock n' roll's primary emphasis is on rhythm and heavy drum beats.

Didn't David use the Psalms to point to the coming Messiah or am I mistaken about that? And where did the Bible say they didn't? You're trying to make a doctrine on something the Bible doesn't say one or the other. Didn't the Christians of Paul's day come together,sing spiritual songs? How do you know that some weren't reached by the music? Can you say one way the other?

I am sure they were. Being that they were singing spiritual songs. If you study the Hymns, a lot of them are based upon Scripture.

On the contrary though, a lot of this CCM rock music or any other form of CCM music, you can't hardly find the name of Jesus being mentioned.

A good example of this would be the song: "Come, Now is the time to worship." No mention of the name of Jesus.

Not saying they are all like that, but a lot of them sure don't mention the name of Jesus, why? because most likely they don't want to offend anybody. They care more about the dollar bill.

They want to target both the Christian market and the secular market. Consider it, I mean they can sure make a lot more money marketing to the lost world AND to Christians.

Afterall, the Bible believing Christians are a very small market.


10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. - 1 Timothy 6:10 (Holy Bible)

 

[SarahM777]

Getting back to rock music - the rolling stones.
- Kieth Richards writes nearly all their music, and he gets alot of song ideas at seances.
He admits to it.
- - Also, Jimmy Page got the whole song, "Stairway to Heaven" while lying on an alter; (he bought Alester Crowley's mansion)
- - - He said it came to him in an instant.
Satan is good at music. - That's something he does well. (Knows what buttons to push)

It goes back to discernment. If we put garbage in we get garbage out. A lot of it is just plain evil no question about it,but when some get to the point of saying that it is ALL bad and start including even Christian song writers like this there is a problem.

Scandalon - Michael Card

[video=youtube;5wf8OGTqiSw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wf8OGTqiSw[/video]

 

[RickShafer]

As far as rock music being all bad, I reject that.
A whole street ministry was started when I was in Bible College by the Holy Spirit.
It was to a mall, and the impetus was Stryper's version of "Glory,glory Hallelujah".
The person who started it was moved with compassion towards the souls in the mall while driving through the parking lot; while listening to that song.
He told another who was gifted in administrations and it took off.
God can use rock music, no doubt about it.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

What's Wrong with Christian Rock Part 1 - By Jeff Godwin


[video=youtube;ar23AmS3oMo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar23AmS3oMo[/video]​

 

[SarahM777]

Well Sarah; let me ask you this, does Classical music appeal to the flesh in the same way that rock n' roll does? Does listening to classical music make a person want to go out and shoot someone or fight with someone?

Does listening to classical music make a person want to sin, and fornicate like listening to rock n' roll does?

It sure can. It all goes back to discernment. Some of it is just as much mood music. Try telling that to any women who has had their husband put on some really romantic music,light the candles with a nice romantic dinner,with the mood music in the background. (And you say it doesn't silly me. I was married you know. If it didn't husbands wouldn't do it)

On the contrary though, a lot of this CCM rock music or any other form of CCM music, you can't hardly find the name of Jesus being mentioned.

A good example of this would be the song: "Come, Now is the time to worship." No mention of the name of Jesus.

Not saying they are all like that, but a lot of them sure don't mention the name of Jesus, why? because most likely they don't want to offend anybody. They care more about the dollar bill.

If that is the standard by which you are testing this then you better get your scissor out and start going through your hymnal and cutting out all the hymns that do not mention Jesus name.

These are some of the hymns that do NOT mention Jesus by name

Amazing Grace,Great is Thy Faithfulness,Battle Hymn of the Republic,Blest be the Tie That Binds,Crown Him With Many Crowns,Have Thine Own Way,Holy Holy Holy,It Came Upon The Midnight Clear,It Is Well With My Soul,Joy to the World,Nearer My God to Thee,Pass Me Not O Gentle Savior,Praise God From Whom All Blessings Flow,Rock of Ages,We Three Kings,What Child is This,All Glory Laud and Honor,Etc Etc.

 

[RickShafer]

What's Wrong with Christian Rock Part 1 - By Jeff Godwin


[video=youtube;ar23AmS3oMo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar23AmS3oMo[/video]​

That was total propaganda.
He referenced Keith Green but didn't show his music, instead using another band.
Do you want to know why?
Because none of Keith Green's songs would even slightly in the remotest sense compare to Twisted Sister. (The secular rock band).
You have to see through such outward judging.
The christian band sounded evil? - Is that his argument?
A highly subjective matter that is,......No?
Total and complete propaganda.
If you are going to be led by sounds, then country music must be of the Lord because it is more sedate.
Total propaganda.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

It sure can. It all goes back to discernment. Some of it is just as much mood music. Try telling that to any women who has had their husband put on some really romantic music,light the candles with a nice romantic dinner,with the mood music in the background. (And you say it doesn't silly me. I was married you know. If it didn't husbands wouldn't do it)

Okay, you changed the subject Sarah, weren't we talking about rock music, and then classical? This thread ain't about the effects of mood music, it is about the satanic influence behind rock and so called "Christian" rock. All rock and roll is based on rebellion. And there is no such thing as good rebellion.

What does the Bible say about rebellion:


23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king. - 1 Samuel 15:23 (Holy Bible)

No wonder there is so much witch craft in the "Christian" rock movement.

If that is the standard by which you are testing this then you better get your scissor out and start going through your hymnal and cutting out all the hymns that do not mention Jesus name.

These are some of the hymns that do NOT mention Jesus by name

Amazing Grace,Great is Thy Faithfulness,Battle Hymn of the Republic,Blest be the Tie That Binds,Crown Him With Many Crowns,Have Thine Own Way,Holy Holy Holy,It Came Upon The Midnight Clear,It Is Well With My Soul,Joy to the World,Nearer My God to Thee,Pass Me Not O Gentle Savior,Praise God From Whom All Blessings Flow,Rock of Ages,We Three Kings,What Child is This,All Glory Laud and Honor,Etc Etc.

Sarah, the Hymns are spiritual music. Rock music is not.

And I did not say that all the Hymns were going to have the Name of Jesus in them.

And I also made it a point that probably not all "Christian" rockers leave out the name of Jesus in their songs. But even if they have the Name Jesus in their song, if they are playing the world's type of music (i.e. rock n' roll) it is still wrong. I was just sharing with you an observation that I have made, and that some other Bible believers have made as well.

Rock and Roll music does not bring any glory to God. And God is not interested in flesh based music. Stop trying to defend this CCM type music.

My standard is the Bible. Your standard needs to be the Bible as well. The more you go on defending the CCM Movement, just shows your unwillingness to change. Sorry, but as long as you defend the "Christian" rock movement, you are in error. The CCM Movement cannot be defended.

Look at some of the blasphemous posters that came out from the wicked CCM Movement:







Here is another blasphemous photo that came out of the CCM Movement:






This is utter blasphemy Sarah. And this is from the CCM Movement. Starting to see the rotten fruit of "Christian" rock?

You better start considering Sarah what it is that you are defending.

The spirit of Satan is all over the CCM Movement.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

That was total propaganda.
He referenced Keith Green but didn't show his music, instead using another band.
Do you want to know why?
Because none of Keith Green's songs would even slightly in the remotest sense compare to Twisted Sister. (The secular rock band).
You have to see through such outward judging.
The christian band sounded evil? - Is that his argument?
A highly subjective matter that is,......No?
Total and complete propaganda.
If you are going to be led by sounds, then country music must be of the Lord because it is more sedate.
Total propaganda.

Did you watch the whole video series?

Now well if you watched the entire first segment of the first video, then you have done more than what the average modern professing Christian would do. I mean most Christians these days want every thing fast, they don't like to study. They rather have fast food Christianity and not have to do any due diligence for themselves on these important issues.

So at least you watched the first video. But let me say this Rick, your wrong. It is not propaganda. Jeff Godwin is simply showing the wicked spirit that is behind the whole Christian rock movement. No one put a computer graphic to show Amy Grant doing something out of the ordinary, it was Amy Grant herself that was giving the devil sign in the footage of that concert. Also, if you watched the whole video, then you should have noticed how Jeff Godwin even slowed down the film to look at the footage frame by frame.

So again, no propaganda. Just a brother in Christ sharing the truth about the CCM Movement.

Better start using some discernment.

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

Twisted Sister?

My Christian Hard Rock band is playing a Rock Festival with Twisted Sister as well as Van Halen in just a few days in Wisconsin (Rock USA Oshkosh) .

 

[Kerry]

Most Christian rock\rap bands ( not all but most) will and have said that they get their inspiration from AC\DC or pdiddy or some other secular group. These secular groups are inspired by demonic influence. So why would you listen to music that is demon inspired. Now I realise that taste for me and taste you is different and we are not all stamped from the same mold. The fact is if it is anointed by God and you will know if it is, then praise God in your own way. But I will have to say that some of the stuff I have seen at some youth meetings was just down right awful and ungodly. Honestly, I could not tell if I was at a church or a night club. The kids dancing the bump and grind to a song that said Jesus a couple of times. I mean even evil songs will mention jesus. The old Hymn are the most anointed songs I know of. There is some newer stuff that touches me. Again maybe it's my taste, but I can't praise God while banging my head. I grew up in the eighties and rock was my thing, Until I got saved and my taste changed drastically.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Here is another good video on this issue. This one is by Pastor Mike Hoggard:


The Occult In Christian Music

[video=youtube;5pIef9MVSd8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pIef9MVSd8[/video]​

 

[SarahM777]

Okay, you changed the subject Sarah, weren't we talking about rock music, and then classical? This thread ain't about the effects of mood music, it is about the satanic influence behind rock and so called "Christian" rock. All rock and roll is based on rebellion. And there is no such thing as good rebellion.

UMM No I didn't. There are types of classical mood music also. How about Revel's "The Bolero"?
If you don't believe that it exists in classical music also then how do deal with this?

'SEX MUSIC' EXPLORES THE EROTIC SIDE OF CLASSICAL MUSIC

February 26, 2008 - by CityGuide News

NEW YORK, NY, February 26, 2008 - What does classical music have to do with sex? Hailed as “the hottest classical band in New York,” Fireworks attempts to answer that question with “Sex Music”, a multi-media exploration of classical music’s erotic side, at 7:30pm on Friday, March 7, 2008 at the Leonard Nimoy Thalia at the Peter Norton Symphony Space in New York City.

.....

The first half of the program concludes with an excerpt of Pulitzer Prize-winning composer David del Tredici’s “Sweet Gwendolyn and the Countess”, a setting of noted New York poet Edward Field.Soprano Lauren Skuce and baritone Chris Trakas join the full eight-player ensemble to explore Field’s blush-inducing portrayal of a taboo lesbian encounter, awash in Del Tredici’s sumptuous musical romanticism. A perfect fit for this program, Fireworks will give the full premiere of this work, also at Symphony Space, on May 31.

The second half of the program begins with Classical music’s ultimate erotic crescendo, Maurice Ravel’s “Bolero”, presented in a new arrangement by Fireworks’ director Brian Coughlin.

CityGuide News (City Guide Magazine)

So are you saying rebellion,sex,witchcraft and the like don't exist in classical? If that is the case you better start through ALL of your because it is there too. It goes back to discernment.

Sarah, the Hymns are spiritual music. Rock music is not.

And I did not say that all the Hymns were going to have the Name of Jesus in them.

And I also made it a point that probably not all "Christian" rockers leave out the name of Jesus in their songs. But even if they have the Name Jesus in their song, if they are playing the world's type of music (i.e. rock n' roll) it is still wrong. I was just sharing with you an observation that I have made, and that some other Bible believers have made as well.

Define the difference between a spiritual song and a non spiritual song. Define the difference between the worlds music and spiritual music. Is it the type of music played,the lyrics,is is 3/4 ,4/4,6/8 time? Is it the tempo,the rythm,,the instruments? And please define when it goes from one to the other.

When you say it's not OK for them not to say Jesus name in a song but it's OK because it's a hymn or what we perceive is a spiritual; song it's OK,the thing is you are using a DOUBLE STANDARD. It's OK because it's a hymn or what we define as a spiritual song ,but it's not OK for you. Jesus does have a definition for that,it is called hypocrisy.

Rock and Roll music does not bring any glory to God. And God is not interested in flesh based music. Stop trying to defend this CCM type music.

My standard is the Bible. Your standard needs to be the Bible as well. The more you go on defending the CCM Movement, just shows your unwillingness to change. Sorry, but as long as you defend the "Christian" rock movement, you are in error. The CCM Movement cannot be defended.

I am not trying to defend the whole CCM movement. The ones I am defending are those who truly preach the word and use the music to glorify God. I have said from the beginning we need to use discernment on the music we are listening to,and it does NOT matter which type of music you listen to. I have said from the beginning NOT ALL those that use the CCM label are even Christian. Do I have to make that any more clear?

This is utter blasphemy Sarah. And this is from the CCM Movement. Starting to see the rotten fruit of "Christian" rock?

You better start considering Sarah what it is that you are defending.

The spirit of Satan is all over the CCM Movement.

Where did I ever defend that type of stuff? Is this type of stuff a surprise or has it been that way since the church started? Didn't Paul say there were those who were "preaching" the gospel for personal gain? Didn't Jesus and the apostles all say there would be wolves in sheep's clothing? Are we not told to test everything? Why then should we be surprised that there would be those who would use music also for their ends and do so in Jesus name? The problem comes when you label ALL are doing so when that is NOT the case. It goes back to discernment. Part of the problem comes when you have groups that get to the point where the Bible is not always clear on an issue and you have people that make blanket rules of "don't taste,don't touch", and if you do you rotten horrible sinner,we will continue to tell you so,you horrible rotten sinner you,we who are more spiritual then you,you rotten sinner you. If you are not a carbon copy of us you are a horrible rotten sinner because we don't do that.

 

[SarahM777]

As far as rock music being all bad, I reject that.
A whole street ministry was started when I was in Bible College by the Holy Spirit.
It was to a mall, and the impetus was Stryper's version of "Glory,glory Hallelujah".
The person who started it was moved with compassion towards the souls in the mall while driving through the parking lot; while listening to that song.
He told another who was gifted in administrations and it took off.
God can use rock music, no doubt about it.

If they wouldn't make the blanket statements that it's all bad it wouldn't be so bad,but when they take it to the extreme and start including people like Twila Paris because she writes a bit more along the line of "soft rock" as they say. The person who wrote this song

Lamb of God - Twila Paris

[video=youtube;RPClih1HLPg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPClih1HLPg[/video]

 

[SarahM777]

Something else for you ponder Chosen,when you quote all those rock stars is it because of the music or do they do those things because of their popularity in the same manner as sport stars,cheer leaders,and movie stars?

 

[acesneverwin]

I suggest that if rock music was removed from the average church today the place would be empty. What does that say? Are they coming to see Jesus or to listen to the kind of music they hear in the dance hall? The church is to be separate from the world and this includes it's music. Putting Jesus lyrics on rock music does not make it Christian music.
Sorry for any golden cows that may have had their toes stepped upon.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Umm... I know I'm late to the party but I have to ask WHAT church do you go to that plays rock music? Every church I've gone too whether aimed at young or old play nothing of the sort and I would actually prefer to skip the music because I generally don't like it... I love rock and metal and I have never gone to a church where I wanted to go because of the music. If I decided what church to go to based on the music, I wouldn't show up at any cause IMO, most of it is just not my cup of tea in the least.