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Hi I am new here, I am Hoffco. I have been a christian for 52 years. I am a graduate of Northeastern Bible college , cons. baptist,and the Ref. Episcopal seminary and I have been a lay pastor all my life. I am now a missionary to the Philippines, widowed but remarried to a Phil/ lady,and plan to say here until Jesus calls me HOME. I would love to enter into your discusion on this topic as it speaks to the heart of the theme of the Bible, The eternal cov. of grace. I will check here every day ,or other day, to keep the conversation going,if you will join me , I will be happy to talk. In Christ by Gods eternal unconditional love. Hoffco ps. "let God be God" Just a servant of God.
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Hi, I wrote a rely down below, so you may miss it. I would like to enter your discussion, if I may. This is the heart of the Gospel, the theme of the Bible, The covenant of God's eternal Grace. As In all study , we must study to learn what the author wants to say to us. God is the author of the Bible and He has told us how to find the teachings of His book. the Bible bible is not easy to understand, so it takes hard work. but it is so rewarding when we keep to the principles of interpretation: grammatical, contextual, historical. I will add more later at home. I had to come to the internet cafe to start because my email needs fixing. thanks Hoffco
How do you reconcile that with 1 John 2:2 And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.?
Romans 11:32 God has concluded them all in unbelief that He might have mercy upon all.
John 3:15-21 Men choose not to come to the light and be saved.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent to thee; how oft would I have gathered thy children together as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings and ye would not. Seems like God is willing but men are not.
Grace makes salvation available to all men. Salvation is efficacious only for those who receive it. There is no evidence that God makes the selection to believe or to reject for men. When man fell in the garden he received the knowledge of good and evil. Due to that man is required to choose. Every man must choose. God does not compel men to be saved through election. The sovereignty of God is not diminished by the free will of man.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Romans 11:32 God has concluded them all in unbelief that He might have mercy upon all.
John 3:15-21 Men choose not to come to the light and be saved.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent to thee; how oft would I have gathered thy children together as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings and ye would not. Seems like God is willing but men are not.
Grace makes salvation available to all men. Salvation is efficacious only for those who receive it. There is no evidence that God makes the selection to believe or to reject for men. When man fell in the garden he received the knowledge of good and evil. Due to that man is required to choose. Every man must choose. God does not compel men to be saved through election. The sovereignty of God is not diminished by the free will of man.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
We really should be more humble when we speak of how we are saved. If we say God only saves this one way I suppose we are limiting God.
I personally have found the explanation of Calvin and his theology to be a good explanation on how I was saved. I believe it is God's will that He saved me. I believe He led me the whole Way and I couldn't have figured it out on my own with my own free will and my own knowledge and wisdom.
I know that the inverse of this can hurt peoples feelings. If God and God alone saves us why isn't everyone saved? I have no idea and no way to answer that. I suppose someone would have to know perfectly, God's plan to be able to answer. The bible says we see through a glass darkly and that Gods ways are above our ways.
Instead of attempting to beat you up with my theology I should probably just tell you that we both will have blind spots. Maybe if you look at my blind spots I could look at yours and we could help each other.
I personally have found the explanation of Calvin and his theology to be a good explanation on how I was saved. I believe it is God's will that He saved me. I believe He led me the whole Way and I couldn't have figured it out on my own with my own free will and my own knowledge and wisdom.
I know that the inverse of this can hurt peoples feelings. If God and God alone saves us why isn't everyone saved? I have no idea and no way to answer that. I suppose someone would have to know perfectly, God's plan to be able to answer. The bible says we see through a glass darkly and that Gods ways are above our ways.
Instead of attempting to beat you up with my theology I should probably just tell you that we both will have blind spots. Maybe if you look at my blind spots I could look at yours and we could help each other.
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Does that verse state that Christ did not only die for the Elect ?
Does that verse state that Christ did not only die for the Elect ?
passage that pasage state that Christ did not only die for the Elect ?
Does that verse state that Christ did not only die for the Elect ?
All those scriptures I agree with ,but by them not one of them states that Christ did not die only for God's Elect or His Sheep.
Does that verse state that Christ did not only die for the Elect ?
Does that verse state that Christ did not only die for the Elect ?
passage that pasage state that Christ did not only die for the Elect ?
Does that verse state that Christ did not only die for the Elect ?
All those scriptures I agree with ,but by them not one of them states that Christ did not die only for God's Elect or His Sheep.
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I agree, but see Im not one to teach as calvinists do which "is" beyond scripture and into philosophy, and spin.
Of coarse salvation is of the Lord. And He never asked us to divide over a feeble attempt to explain this. I hate
both calvinism and arminianism and the entire debate.
Humble? are you saying im not humble in a forum when i see biblical spin? Hmmm...you may be right
but i must be doing it in my blind spot.
Of coarse salvation is of the Lord. And He never asked us to divide over a feeble attempt to explain this. I hate
both calvinism and arminianism and the entire debate.
Humble? are you saying im not humble in a forum when i see biblical spin? Hmmm...you may be right
but i must be doing it in my blind spot.