History The Lost Ten Tribes of Ancient Israel

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The northern kingdom was assimilated into the cultures they were foisted off into.
Remember, they were taken captive.
So they didn't found all of these European countries, no more than any other enslaved peoples started nations.
Israel had to be delivered from Egypt and kick out all the inhabitants of the promised land before it could be the physical nation of God on this earth,....(how much more would the ten northern tribes have too?)
The whole thing is Spiritual anymore. - The vail has been rent from top to bottom, not by the bottom up..
 

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God knows who they are and thats all that matters.
 

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Nathan...British Israelism is easily debunked.


Matthew 15:24
He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

did He fail? because they were in the USA?
of course not.
they were never lost geographically.
He found the remnant right there where he appeared.

were you or Pastor Murray standing there at Pentecost?

Acts 2
22“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,d put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him

29“Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne.

36“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

Acts 10:36
You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.


endless, really.
 

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A False Dichotomy of Continuing Distinction

This remnant returning [from Babylonian Captivity] had to occur because the scripture prophecy was that the tribes of Israel and their southern brethren Judah would be reunited. This freeing by Cyrus [4] and reuniting to build again the temple prefigures the coming Messianic age when Christ would come and free the captivity, the 'true' deliverer of the lost sheep of Israel.

It has been falsely taught by some Theologians that there is a continuing distinction made in the scriptures between the Jews and the Israelites. The little ditty that is often quoted is, 'All Jews are Israelites, but all Israelites are not Jews.' This may be a catchy phrase, but it is simply a demonstration of a lack of thorough study of scripture. It is true that there was a distinction in the original splitting apart (as we obviously saw) of the kingdoms, but this distinction did not continue. The people were called Jews because the land in the south was Judea, for it principally encompassed Jerusalem. The word Judah is derived from this word Judea, and because of the division between the northern tribes and Judah (or Jerusalem) in the south, it was spoken of by God in this contrast of Kingdoms. i.e., Judah or Jerusalem, and Israel. However, when the remnant returned, they again became one body.

Ezra 7:12-14

"Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time.
I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.

Forasmuch as thou art sent of the king, and of his seven counsellors, to enquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, according to the law of thy God which is in thine hand;"

Artaxerxes' decree specifically states that 'all they of the people of Israel' were free to return to Jerusalem, so why would anyone even attempt to argue that anyone from Israel was either excluded, or that they were somehow lost? A remnant assuredly returned, while the rest who were assimilated into other nations never did. Nor were they prophesied to. It is amazing that some Theologians surmise that because only a small portion or 'remnant' of people ever returned, that this somehow implies that the prophesy is not fulfilled. As if they all had to come back to qualify as a restoration. A Remnant is what was prophesied. That is the 'all' which Ezra 7 speaks about. An analogy would be like saying, 'because the promises were made to Israel, but only a remnant obtained it, the promise is made of non effect.' God doesn't work like that! No, the fulfillment is as God defines, not as man defines. And the fact is, God for His own purposes chose a remnant, that the type would prefigure the anti-type. It was ordained that only a remnant would return, the like figure fulfilled in Christ bringing back a remnant.

After the fall of babylon and the restoration of the remnant (of both) to Judah, that previous distinction is reconciled, as the nation Judah then became synonymous with Israel. One body, one stick joined from two! By 458 B.C. when Ezra returned to Jerusalem to establish the law, God (not man) was now not making any distinction between Israel and the Jews. If God is obviously not making a distinction, then why would man "insist" on continuing to do so?

Ezra 7:7

"And there went up some of the children of Israel, and of the priests, and the Levites, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims, unto Jerusalem, in the seventh year of Artaxerxes the king."
The fact is, God made it clear in scripture that the northern Kingdom was still identified with the southern Kingdom, even in the midst of the time of division.

2nd Chronicles 11:15-16

"And he ordained him priests for the high places, and for the devils, and for the calves which he had made.
And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers."
2nd Chronicles 21:1-2

"Now Jehoshaphat slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David. And Jehoram his son reigned in his stead.

And he had brethren the sons of Jehoshaphat, Azariah, and Jehiel, and Zechariah, and Azariah, and Michael, and Shephatiah: all these were the sons of Jehoshaphat king of Israel."

The Israelites identified themselves with the House of David of Judah, and God makes sure that we understand this, for it was always meant to be. Theologians who insist that the division between Israel and Judah never ceased, or that it is continuing still in our day, are ignoring the scriptures which shows otherwise. It was never meant to be an ongoing division. Moreover, the God fearing kings from the southern Kingdom like Asa, Jehoshaphat, Hezekiah, and Josiah spoke of the 12 tribes and offered up sacrifices for them all [5]. This is God's doing and an indication that this separation was for God's own purposes.

All agree that the tribes have to return to Israel. Even those who take the position that the tribes are still out there understand that without fulfillment of the return, we make scriptures void. Because biblically speaking, if the tribes of Israel have disappeared, then the fulfilment of the prophecies cannot take place. So we see only two options exist. That they either have returned, or that scripture is wrong and they don't exist anymore as a Jewish race. For there are not 10 unknown Jewish tribes out there in our day to return, or to become that one stick God speaks of. This is because they already have!


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For there are not 10 unknown Jewish tribes out there in our day to return, or to become that one stick God speaks of. This is because they already have!

Ezekiel 37:16-17

"Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand."

The prophesy is clear, both Judah and Israel would be joined again as one. So where are these 10 tribes now? In reading Theological material you are likely to come upon every myth concerning the 10 'alleged' lost tribes of Israel that you can imagine. They are purported to be everyone from the British, the Japanese, the Scots, the American Indians, to the Mormons. But the claim that the tribes of Israel are now literally some other race is ludicrous. Biblically as well as rationally, for Jews are Jews. What happened to these 10 tribes is a matter of biblical record. What does the Bible have to say concerning Israel and Judah.

Jeremiah 50:4-6

"In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.
They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten.
My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace."

Clearly, God at the fall of babylon prophesies of both Israel and Judah returning as lost sheep to the fold (a type, prefiguring Christ's gathering the children out of bondage at His coming). It is clear that both Houses were restored, and for any theologian to argue that only Judah was restored is to make a mockery of the plain text of Scripture. God is letting us know that all the tribes of Israel (without loss) is represented here. The Remnant as prophesied, not the whole body 'as imagined.'

As also Ezra clearly illustrates.

Ezra 6:17

"And offered at the dedication of this house of God an hundred bullocks, two hundred rams, four hundred lambs; and for a sin offering for all Israel, twelve he goats, according to the number of the tribes of Israel."
Ezra 8:35

"Also the children of those that had been carried away, which were come out of the captivity, offered burnt offerings unto the God of Israel, twelve bullocks for all Israel, ninety and six rams, seventy and seven lambs, twelve he goats for a sin offering: all this was a burnt offering unto the LORD."

This was not a split israel, sacrifice was offered for all of Israel that were there. Twelve bullocks, one for each tribe of the 'children of those who were carried away,'

They have come out of captivity. After the Babylonian captivity the terms "Jew" and "Israelite" are used interchangeably.

That is not rhetoric, that is a biblically illustrated fact! This was a shadow of Christ's coming to deliver Israel from bondage in freeing the captivity. To seek and to gather the lost sheep of the House of Israel.



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The type Prefigured the True which was to Come

One of the primary questions is, why is it important to know what happened to the 10 northern tribes of Israel? Well, there are many reasons, not the least of which is that the lost tribes of Israel prefigures the lost sheep of Israel, who when Jesus Christ (the greater Cyrus) would come, would seek and return them to the restored kingdom, fulfilling the prophesy of the throne of David.

Acts 1:6

"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"

They were asking Jesus when Israel would again become a restored Kingdom. Unlike man today, they understood the literal Israel was not lost. And Indeed Christ had promised the 12 Apostles that they would sit judging the 12 tribes of Israel in the regeneration. They could hardly sit judging these tribes of Israel, if the 12 tribes were lost or not accounted for.

Matthew 19:28

"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

It is pretty clear Jesus is declaring that when He sits to rule on the throne of His Glory, the apostles would also sit as Kings and priests unto God to rule. And Christ clearly identifies the time of His sitting to rule in His Glory as, "in the regeneration." The question then is, biblically speaking, when is the regeneration? ..when does Christ reign in His Glory?

Titus 3:5

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he Saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"

John 17:4-5

"I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

1st Corinthians 15:25

"For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet."

This is when "the regeneration" occurs, according to God! What is the Regeneration? This is the Greek word [paliggenesia] taken from the root words [palin] meaning again or repeat, and [genesis] meaning a birth or nativity. In other words, to be born again. A spiritual nativity where they are made new by the Holy ghost. This is 'when' these apostles would reign as they sit on thrones to rule Israel. It is in the regeneration, or after being born again from the dead! Did they become kings and Priests unto God to sit and rule with Him when they were raised up with Christ by the Holy Ghost? The answer (according to scripture) is obvious.

Ephesians 2:6

"And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"

When the apostles were regenerated, born again from above, they were raised up in Christ to sit and rule with Him on His throne in heaven. When Jesus Christ ascended to the throne of David to rule the kingdom, this fulfilled the prophesy of the restoration of the Kingdom of David, and Christ sitting on that throne of Glory. As is clearly illustrated in Acts:

Acts 2:29-31

"Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption."

The Prophesy spake not of an earthly reign on the throne of David, but spake of the resurrection of Christ to sit in on His throne in heaven, and the apostles raised up with Him to sit in heavenly places to rule. The gathering of 'the remnant' of the tribes of Israel. The Old Testament restoring of the twelve tribes to the land of their fathers was the "type" which the Greater Cyrus fulfilled. The Restoration of the Kingdom of God which the Apostles asked about, was accomplished in Christ being the seed of David who reconciled the dispersed to God in one body 'one Israel,' united by the Lion of the tribe of Judah. This was accomplished by His death, resurrection, and ascension to the throne. The regeneration has the 12 sit to rule with Christ, this anti-type of the type is made clear in such verses as Matthew chapter 15:

Matthew 15:24

"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

A very open testimony to the fulfillment that this was the Messiah, and He came to fulfill the prophesy of restoring the Kingdom of Israel. Not in literal Israelites lost in some foreign land, but Spiritual Israel lost in a foreign land, which the lost northern tribes merely prefigured. Some 'cut off,' but a remnant returning. This also seen in the angel speaking to Mary of His purpose and His reign.

Luke 1:31-33

"And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."

Just as Acts 2 said that this prophesy spake of the resurrection of Christ to Heaven to sit on the throne of David. And note, the reign is not a 1000 year earthly reign, but was prophesied to be a reign forever over the house of Jacob. Only a reign in the regeneration, in Glory, on the throne of God, qualifies! This is the 'only' kingdom of which there shall be no end. The fulfillment of the prophecy.

Why are the tribes important? Because without knowledge of who they were, and how some were cut off, some returning (a remnant only), how the Temple is built again, how the nation is restored as one, etc., we do not understand the anti-type in Christ where the lost sheep of the house of Israel (a remnant only) return, the Temple is rebuilt, and the Kingdom restored.


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zone

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Were the tribes present in Israel when Jesus Came?

A good question. Because according to biblical prophecy, the return of the lost tribes of Israel signals the coming of the Messianic Kingdom. And when Christ came, he restored Israel by freeing the captivity from spiritual babylon, and brought the lost sheep of Israel home. For this anti-type to take place (Matthew 12:29), the type had to have taken place (Jeremiah 50:4-6). The lost of Israel had to be delivered from bondage and restored.

Matthew 15:24-28

"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour."

Was Jesus Looking all over the world for a lost race? Was He saying He came but for the house of Britan, of but for the house of japan, or but for the house of Ethiopia? No, it is quite obvious that the lost of Israel are not another particular race, they were right there in that nation. Others were considered dogs and swine! Yes, they eat of the crumbs off the masters table, but Israel was of the Jews. To the Jew first, and then to the Gentiles.

Matthew 10:5-7

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand."

So then, how are the tribes of Israel lost, when God identifies the lost as in that nation? They were lost in that they were separated from God, 'not' that they were a people who were not yet accounted for. He has come to restore the Kingdom to the lost sheep of Israel, not gentiles, not the dispersed in Samaria, but it's plain Jesus is addressing the Jews as Israel, his lost people. Jew and was Israel synonymous.

Why is something so clear, so difficult for the indoctrinated to receive?

The New Covenant was promised to Israel and Judah [6], and when Christ established the New Covenant Church, He brought that promise to it's fulfillment. Jesus Christ came into the world to redeem Israel and bring the restoration of the Kingdom, and that is precisely what He did.

more > The 10 lost tribes of Israel


anyways....FULFILLED FULFILLED FULFILLED
 

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The northern kingdom was assimilated into the cultures they were foisted off into.
Remember, they were taken captive.
So they didn't found all of these European countries, no more than any other enslaved peoples started nations.
Israel had to be delivered from Egypt and kick out all the inhabitants of the promised land before it could be the physical nation of God on this earth,....(how much more would the ten northern tribes have too?)
The whole thing is Spiritual anymore. - The vail has been rent from top to bottom, not by the bottom up..
fulfilled....2000 years ago.

there's no jew or greek in Christ...or outside Christ.
 
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All puppy love aside Zone...i love yur work.ty:cool:
 

zone

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All puppy love aside Zone...i love yur work.ty:cool:
LOL Abiding.
it's the Lord's assignment for me.
goes with the territory of the renewed mind i reckon.

i fail regularly.

plus...the head knowledgy encyclopedic traditions of men blah blah gets mixed reviews.
usually negative.

but ty dear.
 
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fulfilled....2000 years ago.

there's no jew or greek in Christ...or outside Christ.
Well, outside there are all manner of human beasts.
But those who are in Jesus all are one body.
- And what was fulfilled 2000 years ago happens every minute up to this moment in the transformation of souls.
- - So it's not like some old thing that happened a long, long, time ago in a book; "His mercies are new every morning".
 

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Well, outside there are all manner of human beasts.
But those who are in Jesus all are one body.
- And what was fulfilled 2000 years ago happens every minute up to this moment in the transformation of souls.
- - So it's not like some old thing that happened a long, long, time ago in a book; "His mercies are new every morning".
yup.
just meant the prophecy of Israel and Judah being restored was fulfilled back then.
and all those prophecies ppl drag to the future (GAP theories) are fulfilled.
 
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The Historical evidence is there for anyone to see .Its out in the open .Anyone saying its not there is just not looking. Or is not looking at the evidence; and ""rather commentaries that are bias against , the Evidence, or simply ignorant of it."" I will add by choice. That is Historic, and accurate.


The video is a summery although it gives you many of the proofs. You can take the study of the history farther and see that everything in the video is factual .Anyone willing can look up the history study, and see the that what is in the video, is historic fact.

I looked into it, and its all legit to the letter.
 
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The Historical evidence is there for anyone to see .Its out in the open .Anyone saying its not there is just not looking. Or is not looking at the evidence and rather commentaries that are bias against , the Evidence . That is Historic, and accurate.


The video is a summery although it gives you many of the proofs. You can take the study of the history farther and see that everything in the video is factual .Anyone willing can look up the history study, and see the that what is in the video, is historic fact.

I looked into it, and its all legit to the letter.
What exactly does it claim?
That England and Germany are the lost tribes?
It doesn't claim Anglo-Saxons are the lost tribes does it?
London - LonDan.
C'mon brother.
 
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What exactly does it claim?
That England and Germany are the lost tribes?
It doesn't claim Anglo-Saxons are the lost tribes does it?
London - LonDan.
C'mon brother.
Take a look at the documentary . That is why i posted it....
 

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The Historical evidence is there for anyone to see .Its out in the open .Anyone saying its not there is just not looking. Or is not looking at the evidence; and ""rather commentaries that are bias against , the Evidence, or simply ignorant of it."" I will add by choice. That is Historic, and accurate.


The video is a summery although it gives you many of the proofs. You can take the study of the history farther and see that everything in the video is factual .Anyone willing can look up the history study, and see the that what is in the video, is historic fact.

I looked into it, and its all legit to the letter.
what's legit?
that Jeremiah took off with a Judean princess to the British Isles?
that Jesus sailed to Britain with His uncle who owned a tin mine?
that the Queen of England sits on the Stone of Scone, warming the Throne of David until Jesus comes back for it?

cough.


British Israel: The Hidden Hand Behind the
'The Kingdom of God on Earth' Deception


British Israel, The Hidden Hand Behind The 'Kingdom of God on Earth' Deception (July 10, 2005)

if only you knew who took over the British Empire...and is sitting on the Throne of England.
lol.
 

zone

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What exactly does it claim?
That England and Germany are the lost tribes?
It doesn't claim Anglo-Saxons are the lost tribes does it?
London - LonDan.
C'mon brother.
yeah...course it does.
Rick, you know enough CR to put the pieces together.
it starts with a Red Shield.

British Israelists and Christian Zionists make perfect soldiers.
golems.
 
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The thing is,........this idea wasn't hatched by a semitic Jew, or a prophetic chinaman.
It wasn't thought up by an east Indian believer or a Russian theologian.
It wasn't dreamed up by a Coptic christian(Egyptian) or a Spanish saint.

The whole idea was dreamed up by some Anglo-Saxons.

Hmmm..........I wonder why that was?

The start of this heresy goes back to something called the Merovingian Bloodline.
It was a way to synchronize the gospel with the "divine right of kings".
It started in france but worked it's way (mysteriously) into anglo-saxon folklore.

It ain't true.
 
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