Can atheists prove that atheism is based on facts and not fantasy?

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athiests, christian jews, or whatever jews, good christians, how many, well orthodox christians, rc christians, anglican,
now theres a anglican catholic christian since 1992, " a new church, i think to try to cater for all,
ok lets look further american christians, united kingdom christians, united states christians, the faith was spread to the four corners,

ok so lots of diffrent people, everyone is unique , we all have something in common, and that god has never changed,
god says when your ready i will be there, somewhere in the bible, or at least to that effect.

does anyoneknow who the 24 elders are that sit in heaven, ? think about this because there is a lot of wonderfull scripts that we hold in our christian bibles that we do not have all the answers for.

so the point being diffrent people all have diffrent unanswered questions that they hear with in there own faith or beliefs, or religions that they have been born into, that they search for the truth, which ultimately leads to a walk with the holy spirit, this is my peace this is my comfort. we are all spirutaly blessed, because i dont see anyone no deserving than the other from when there first born at least. what happens after that is secret between the spirit an the soul,
the holy spirit is secret where told never to speak bad about it in scripture. I believe the spirit can touch anyone and heal.
this is my peace.
when you walk through a storm theres a golden sky and the sweet silver song of a lark,
walk on with hope in your heart,

god can send legions of angels
 
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Crispyfry

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Atheism is a lack of belief. Nothing more. They cannot assert that there is no God.
 
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megaman125

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Crispyfry said:
Atheism is a lack of belief. Nothing more. They cannot assert that there is no God.
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Yeah, they'll say that, and then a few posts later they'll be telling us that they KNOW that God didn't create the universe.
 
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Grey

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megaman125 said:
Yeah, they'll say that, and then a few posts later they'll be telling us that they KNOW that God didn't create the universe.
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I'm unsure as to if I would call myself an atheist, but even the prominent atheists that I've heard don't assert absolute knowledge on the subject.
 
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Siberian_Khatru said:
"The enemy"? Perhaps many are intolerant and instigators, but some are simply fence sitters trying to see which side has the greener grass. Shouldn't we administer to them, rather than blacklisting them?
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Pearls to swine....some people find this insulting, but you could change it to pearls to giraffes, pearls to jelly fish...ect ..the analogy is till the same. I have something that i feel is of great value, which is the gospel of Christ. An atheist sees no value in this, so he will trample it under foot, just like a pig would do if you gave it a pearl. No where in the Bible are we instructed to beg someone to accept the gospel of Christ. Jesus Christ himself instructs us to walk away and wipe the dust from our feet.
 
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danschance

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Crispyfry said:
Atheism is a lack of belief. Nothing more. They cannot assert that there is no God.
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They can pound their fist and scream all day long that atheism is a lack of a belief but their lack of belief is an extension of their belief that there is no god.
 
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Shiloah

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Gotta wonder guys: is defining whether atheism is a belief or not relevant?
 
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Crispyfry

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danschance said:
They can pound their fist and scream all day long that atheism is a lack of a belief but their lack of belief is an extension of their belief that there is no god.
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Richard Dawkins put himself as an Agnostic Atheist, because he cannot possibly know.

How you can prove to atheists that God exists?

What type of evidence would convince them? The right type of evidence.
 
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danschance

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Crispyfry said:
Richard Dawkins put himself as an Agnostic Atheist, because he cannot possibly know.

How you can prove to atheists that God exists?

What type of evidence would convince them? The right type of evidence.
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It is hard to convince anyone of anything once they have made up their minds. Their are people who think the US government blew up the twin towers and other who claim we never stepped foot on the moon. Different people have all kinds of beliefs.

Recently we had a thread asking if there was any proof Jesus was a real man. Several atheists claimed Jesus never existsed in spite of the facts that say he did. How can anyone convince an atheists there is a god? You can't they do not have a mind open enough to even think it might be true.

You ask what type of evidence would convince them? Even if Jesus was right in front of them performing miracles they would still claim it is some sort of trickery or they were hallucinating. There is no amount of any sort of evidence they will accept. They have already concluded their beliefs and closed their minds to the possibility that God might exist. Only the Holy Spirit can convince them God exists.
 
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Bluecomet

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The moon. How can you land on something you can't catch.
 
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danschance said:
It is hard to convince anyone of anything once they have made up their minds. Their are people who think the US government blew up the twin towers and other who claim we never stepped foot on the moon. Different people have all kinds of beliefs.

Recently we had a thread asking if there was any proof Jesus was a real man. Several atheists claimed Jesus never existsed in spite of the facts that say he did. How can anyone convince an atheists there is a god? You can't they do not have a mind open enough to even think it might be true.

You ask what type of evidence would convince them? Even if Jesus was right in front of them performing miracles they would still claim it is some sort of trickery or they were hallucinating. There is no amount of any sort of evidence they will accept. They have already concluded their beliefs and closed their minds to the possibility that God might exist. Only the Holy Spirit can convince them God exists.
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This, so much this.

That's also why I'll occassionally challenge atheists, saying if they want evidence, to go to a Christian church and find a couple Christians, ask them to lay hands on them, and pray for evil spirits to be cast out in the name of Jesus Christ. Suddenly those atheists tend to become scardy cats, like they're afraid that the Bible is true even though they say they don't believe it is.
 
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You can't prove a negative with absolute certainty.
 
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danschance

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megaman125 said:
This, so much this.

That's also why I'll occassionally challenge atheists, saying if they want evidence, to go to a Christian church and find a couple Christians, ask them to lay hands on them, and pray for evil spirits to be cast out in the name of Jesus Christ. Suddenly those atheists tend to become scardy cats, like they're afraid that the Bible is true even though they say they don't believe it is.
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Exactly. You can't look at a marshmallow and understand what it tastes like. You have to take a bite and see.
 
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Grey said:
You can't prove a negative with absolute certainty.
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I can absolutely prove with certainty that I don't have 3 eyes by looking in the mirror. If you really want to get technical, there's no such thing as a negative claim. If someone were to claim that God didn't exist, they would be positively claiming alternative explainations.
 
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You see only what your brain interprets to be true. And no they would not be claiming an alternative explanation, unless they gave an alternative one.
 
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danschance said:
Exactly. You can't look at a marshmallow and understand what it tastes like. You have to take a bite and see.
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I'm a former zealous christian, believe me, I've looked, tasted, and digested that marshmallow.
 
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Only the Holy Spirit can convince them God exists.
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No, they can't be convinced like that, because they don't believe the Holy Spirit either.

Evidence that is demonstrable, testable. Even it is a God, they won't worship it.

pray for evil spirits to be cast out in the name of Jesus Christ. Suddenly those atheists tend to become scardy cats, like they're afraid that the Bible is true even though they say they don't believe it is.
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They will say that, it is a change of mental state, that something has an affect on you and it is a called a Placebo Effect in which you feel much better afterwards after you have prayed.
 
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megaman125

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Grey said:
You see only what your brain interprets to be true. And no they would not be claiming an alternative explanation, unless they gave an alternative one.
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Well, claiming you KNOW that God didn't create the universe, then saying "I don't know/don't have an idea as to what created the universe," makes you lose credibility real fast. If you don't know, then there's no reason to listen to you, since you're not confident about anything you say, and furthermore, if you don't know then you have no basis to claim that you do know that God didn't create the universe.

Crispyfry said:
They will say that, it is a change of mental state, that something has an affect on you and it is a called a Placebo Effect in which you feel much better afterwards after you have prayed.
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Yeah, they've tried that one on me, but yet they fail to explain how a single event can cause a placebo that's lasted for years, or how placebo can cause such a radical change that lasts.
 
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megaman125 said:
Well, claiming you KNOW that God didn't create the universe, then saying "I don't know/don't have an idea as to what created the universe," makes you lose credibility real fast. If you don't know, then there's no reason to listen to you, since you're not confident about anything you say, and furthermore, if you don't know then you have no basis to claim that you do know that God didn't create the universe.

Yeah, they've tried that one on me, but yet they fail to explain how a single event can cause a placebo that's lasted for years, or how placebo can cause such a radical change that lasts.
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And that's why I haven't claimed that I know Yahweh didn't create the universe. If you think the opinions of the undecided or those who are not absolutely certain don't matter, then there's no point in you replying to me then.
 
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megaman125

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Grey said:
And that's why I haven't claimed that I know Yahweh didn't create the universe.
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Well it's good you don't claim that. Basebool however, did.
 
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