The Logic of Gay Marriage Equality
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There isn't much interest in discussing the morality of murder or rape simply because we are all in agreement that it is immoral.
And even though homosexuality is an immoral behavior like adultery or fornication (which you shouldn't confuse with violent acts like murder or rape), there's more to discuss regarding it due to it's highly politicized nature in these times.
Now this is a Christian discussion forum in which a lot of participants (though certainly not all) are genuine Christians who have a real relationship with the Creator God of the universe who has stated in His Word that homosexuality constitutes immoral behavior and an unnatural design for humanity.
So you've made a false assertion in implying that God is FOR homosexual behavior and it's just our "prejudice" getting in the way. Nothing could be further from the truth.
And even though homosexuality is an immoral behavior like adultery or fornication (which you shouldn't confuse with violent acts like murder or rape), there's more to discuss regarding it due to it's highly politicized nature in these times.
Now this is a Christian discussion forum in which a lot of participants (though certainly not all) are genuine Christians who have a real relationship with the Creator God of the universe who has stated in His Word that homosexuality constitutes immoral behavior and an unnatural design for humanity.
So you've made a false assertion in implying that God is FOR homosexual behavior and it's just our "prejudice" getting in the way. Nothing could be further from the truth.
What if a million dollars rained from the sky? What if I had a golden goose that laid gold eggs? What if I won the lottery? What if I had a cow that had chocolate milk? Your question is irrelevant since it is not the case...you just want someone to suggest they are doing something solely because the bible says so...we have convictions through inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God, and whether or not people want to admit it or deny it or ignore it, ACTING on your homosexual desires and being ignorant to God's commandments and going against the nature of which God made us to be...well its a sin, living in that unrepentant sin is also an issue.
However, I will grant you one thing. And I'll probably lynched for saying this. But before i do say it I would like to point out that I have no issues with homosexuals.
I'm not really a believer, I have been on the fence but now I stand on what you would regard as the wrong side. Although I have noticed one thing... Let's face it, religion does not have the influence on society it once did. And while that influence has faded, tolerance has therefore increased. Now if This PC society starts protecting the Gay community and giving them rights because it's not their choice (and I believe they should have rights) then how long will it be before the mad PC brigade start giving rights to people with illegal and hideous sexual preferences because they can use the 'born this way' argument too? As much as I'm
Not a fan of religion, I'd rather see a society influenced by religion rather than Political Correctness and misplaced 'rights'
I'm not really a believer, I have been on the fence but now I stand on what you would regard as the wrong side. Although I have noticed one thing... Let's face it, religion does not have the influence on society it once did. And while that influence has faded, tolerance has therefore increased. Now if This PC society starts protecting the Gay community and giving them rights because it's not their choice (and I believe they should have rights) then how long will it be before the mad PC brigade start giving rights to people with illegal and hideous sexual preferences because they can use the 'born this way' argument too? As much as I'm
Not a fan of religion, I'd rather see a society influenced by religion rather than Political Correctness and misplaced 'rights'
Yeah I'll be honest I was trying to go for the whole 'you only feel the way you do because the bible says so'. Obviously that's not a viable argument.
I will ask though. If two men are stood next to each other, both devout Christians. One has no desire to sleep with men.. The other man DOES desire to sleep with men but never does because he remains true to god.
What is the difference between these men? Why does one have the temptation to sleep with men but the other one doesn't? What's different about the god abiding gay man and the god abiding straight man? There must be a difference other wise they would have the same desires.
I will ask though. If two men are stood next to each other, both devout Christians. One has no desire to sleep with men.. The other man DOES desire to sleep with men but never does because he remains true to god.
What is the difference between these men? Why does one have the temptation to sleep with men but the other one doesn't? What's different about the god abiding gay man and the god abiding straight man? There must be a difference other wise they would have the same desires.
I don't have an issue with homosexuals...their sin is no different from any sin...except for one minor detail many don't look at it as a sin especially those in that sin and therefore they live with their sin never seeking forgiveness. Unrepentant sin is the biggest problem with homosexuality. If I was committing adultery and thought nothing of it and lived in that lifestyle of unrepentance I wouldn't be any better. If I have 'feelings' to sleep with many women or give into my 'feelings' of my flesh I would not be any better.
Everyone is tempted by different things Need2Know. While the man that has desires to sleep with other men may fight that temptation, maybe the straight man fights temptation for pornography and adultery and other issues. We are tempted based on what have urges and weaknesses to. I can say i've struggled with pornography and that has been something that tempts me more so than I would like. Does it make me any less than someone who is tempted differently? Not at all. The real difference is whether or not I act on those temptations throwing away God's will, and instead clinging to my will my desires my 'flesh' what I believe will make me happy what I 'feel' will make me happy. How many people commit adultery and other horrible things that destroy families or their lives because they 'felt' it would be a good thing that it would make them happy. I think all the times I fell to my temptation and I thought the desire fulfilled would be nice, and it never lasts it is never worth it. My question though is knowing its never worth it why do we still fall for it so many times?
There isn't a difference between the two men, they are tempted by different things and they fight the urge to fall to those different temptations.
There isn't a difference between the two men, they are tempted by different things and they fight the urge to fall to those different temptations.
Think of all the homosexuals you know. Do they feel what they are doing is at all wrong? They are told its a 'feeling' don't ignore your feelings. Love is a 'feeling', etc. Is that really what love is? A feeling? If I feel like cheating on my wife tomorrow does that mean I can act on it because feelings are important? If I feel I don't love my wife anymore can I cheat on her? I feel its the misconstrued conception of what love is that distorts their viewpoint. God made man and woman to complement one another they are each other's missing piece. I think a very small percentage of homosexuals consider it a sin, since the vast majority may not even believe in God to begin with, or they justify their behavior. 'God would want me to be happy'. Why would God make me have these feelings if he didn't want me to act on it? Why would I 'feel' this and be such an abomination to God? I sometimes feel like doing all sorts of things that I know would not bring Glory to God. So I CHOOSE to not do them. In Christ we have a choice dude. We do not have to sin. That's the big picture.
So, are they choosing to be tempted by those two different things? Or are they things that they personally find attractive... And therefore born that way and can't help what they are attracted to.
If it was a choice then that would mean in theory you could choose tomorrow to be sexually aroused by men. Do you think you could do that? And I mean that froma sexual perspective, not a religious one
If it was a choice then that would mean in theory you could choose tomorrow to be sexually aroused by men. Do you think you could do that? And I mean that froma sexual perspective, not a religious one
I am not saying they are choosing to be tempted. However even if I am not choosing to be tempted by something does not mean that I should fall to that temptation. If I can't help what I am tempted by does that mean I should give into that temptation because I can't help it? Should I sin because I can't help but sin? Of course not! However while we can be tempted by things, we are never tempted beyond what we can handle. Think of all the times you've fallen to sin regardless of what it was. If we thought about it, in Christ I can overcome this It's not too much for me to handle in Christ we'd face temptations differently. God will not allow you to be handed a Quantum Physics test knowing you majored in English. Nothing we struggle with is too much for us to overcome in Christ.
Excellent answer. I think that's the best answer I'll ever get to my question.
I will ask another one now and take advantage of your attention.
With all this talk of gay marriages being allowed in churches... Can Thr homosexual still go to hell? After all his union with another man has now been blessed by the church.
Will the priest/vicar etc. be punished for granting this blessing?
Will the gay man have to sign a disclaimer before the ceremony saying that even though this union is beig blessed by the church he will still go to hell for acting upon his homosexual urges?
I will ask another one now and take advantage of your attention.
With all this talk of gay marriages being allowed in churches... Can Thr homosexual still go to hell? After all his union with another man has now been blessed by the church.
Will the priest/vicar etc. be punished for granting this blessing?
Will the gay man have to sign a disclaimer before the ceremony saying that even though this union is beig blessed by the church he will still go to hell for acting upon his homosexual urges?
let's not look to the old testament for all our answers. Because the old testament also tells us to stone a woman in adultery, and we both know Jesus stopped a stoning from taking place! It's not necessarily about picking and choosing what we listen to and what we brush aside that's the problem with most of us in Christianity (I am also speaking very critically of myself!) It's true acting on homosexual desires is a sin, so is adultery, so its pornography so is murder so is stealing. What we need is to offer grace and mercy and kindness to all people regardless of who or what they are. Who knows, many of them may be looking for that grace in Christ to be set free! 