Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?
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Gosh, Sarita, I guess you really got me there. I stand corrected. You are so correct, knowing I said something. Myself, when I more or less understand implicitely what someone intends to say, I leave it at that, prefering to think of all things good and beautiful as is advised in the letters of Paul.
I am certain if there is anything to criticize in this response, it will come right back at me, like that penny we have all heard about. oooo I feel so wrong, perhaps this is what you are after, how would I know. I do know you have never addressed me in anything I could call love.
I can say in truth I love you, but it is only because Yeshua loved me first, and He in me wants you to be washed in His blood also, therefore, you are loved, always.
I am certain if there is anything to criticize in this response, it will come right back at me, like that penny we have all heard about. oooo I feel so wrong, perhaps this is what you are after, how would I know. I do know you have never addressed me in anything I could call love.
I can say in truth I love you, but it is only because Yeshua loved me first, and He in me wants you to be washed in His blood also, therefore, you are loved, always.
UMM What do you mean by love? Is it that I am suppose to agree with you on everything? Is it that if I see a brother or sister that may be in error to let it slide? Is it suppose to be feel good thing? Could you define what you mean by love? Sorry English is a horrible language to try to communicate things in at times.
Yahweh is Love..........This is why I know I love you, and the rest who are in the zone. He resides in me, and He does not want one single soul to perish. I do not want one single soul to perish.
Oh and ooooo Sarita, how correct you are. Love is not agreeing, and love is not saying yes when the appropriate answer is no. Keep up the good preaching, but remember, you should never rain on wet ground.
Oh and ooooo Sarita, how correct you are. Love is not agreeing, and love is not saying yes when the appropriate answer is no. Keep up the good preaching, but remember, you should never rain on wet ground.
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I would if I knew who I was. I don't want to offend God by choosing the incorrect Hebrew translation of my English name. I'm so mad at my parents right now for causing me this dilemma
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I started this thread with this quote. After reading all the controversies, I have concluded, (even though the rest of you have not) that it's not a cult. Thank you all for bringing to light, that instead of Gentile Christians provoking the Hebrews unto jealousy, we don't really show them anything that seems righteous to them, so that they will want the salvation we have through Jesus Christ. That leaves a thought in my mind, wondering how many Christians really have salvation. I'm thinking about joining the "cult" now because they DO believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. There might be more love there. I like loving others. Thanks again.
the shofar was blown in announcement of coming JUDGMENT ON ISRAEL.
wrath. Angry God....hello?
yet you have gentiles buying them up and using them in zeal AS WORSHIP!!!!...complete ignorance.
once again, never getting around to knowing what Judaism is.
it is at ENMITY with God.
yet we have people WILLINGLY and zealously going to Talmudic Rabbis for teaching!
the very same Rabbis who know full well their "holy books" curse Jesus and Christians - their "holy books" codified forever THE UNPARDONABLE SIN.
loving jews means NOT stamping approval on their dead religion. Judaism is a pagan religion - there is FAR more paganism incorporated into Judaism than Catholicism (the whipping post for HRs).
loving them means NOT stamping approval on their false religion and dead works.
NOT passing over their corporate crimes committed in their ignorance that they are in some Covenant with God - they're NOT!
so special wombs, no special favor in God's eyes.
and this isn't even touching on the fact 90% of jews today were NEVER israelites!
they follow a MYSTERY RELIGION!
LOVING jews it means loving them as all others in critical need of THE CROSS. full stop.
for the 10th time - those aren't jews in the pictures - they're gentiles offending jews by dressing and acting the way they THINK jews act (acted).
jews are offended by the gentile wanna-bes. it's an embarassment.
gentiles turning to Judaism think they are more pleasing to God by how they appear and behave before men - exactly the behaviour Jesus condemned. not mention the religion itslef has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Moses or the Patriarchs.
NOTHING! it's from BABYLON.
understand?
for the 10th time - according to Judaism - I AM JEWISH.
i could be top dog in Israel if i pursued it - white-skinned and all!!!
but for the 10th time - according to Judiasm because I AM A CHRISTIAN i am no longer a jew, but according to their LAW (which is NOT Moses) i'm worthy of death.
for the umpteenth time - unbeliving jews going about their own business and religion are not the problem.
it's judaizing in the church which is the problem...Jesus warned of it - the leaven! remember? THE DOCTRINE OF THE PHARISEES.
Paul warned us the people who bring these doctrines into the CHURCH and teach them to others are to be eternally DAMNED. now if one who was advancing beyond his years in Judaism is saying that, should he be listened to? apparently not.
people would rather seek to find fault with Paul than take the time to find out WHY he said what he said.
for the 10,000th time - according to JESUS there is neither jew nor greek.
why don't people believe Jesus?
jews are offended by religious philo-semitism.
this is a form of idolatry; no different from Mariolatry.
don't you get it?
i don't get it.
anyone who claims to love the jews and is fawning puffing them up; and fearful and afraid of the offense of the Cross (on their behalf - their only hope) doesn't know what love is. this is a shallow pretentious love based in gentile ego and complete ignorance of Who Jesus really was and why He came.
Israel did NOT obtain what it was seeking - but the ELECT remnant did.
if we don't know HOW and WHY the elect remnant did, why even make the pretense of being a follower of Yeshua (since HRs are eventually loathe to even associate with anything Christian).
election is BY GRACE ALONE, by the forknowledge of God the Father, according to His secret Wisdom and not by anything we or they have done.
nothing whatsoever to do with race or tradition or genealogy.
nothing whatsoever to do with clothing or beards or buildings or manner of speech (especially contrived speech).
maybe you should find out what Judaism is.
where the rituals come from.
even IF we were to observe the SHADOW of Passover, it's NOT the Seder of today.
why do it? WHY?
is blowing a shofar - which signals God's wrath ON ISRAEL and calling it worship harmful?
i dunno. i guess you'll find out on that Day.
is making a golden calf harmful? they thought they were pleasing their Maker.
oh please.
this old refrain.
that's exactly how it turns out.
you can't even admit this?
no.....Lutheranism is not a religion.
it's the name of a denomination within Christianity.
but judaizers generally deplore the reformation as well.
go back and read your own posts.
you've either changed your mind, or you're covering up.
go re-read your own posts.
really?
okay.
flocks?
there's ONE flock.
i know.
well there ya go.
to each their own.
wrath. Angry God....hello?
yet you have gentiles buying them up and using them in zeal AS WORSHIP!!!!...complete ignorance.
once again, never getting around to knowing what Judaism is.
it is at ENMITY with God.
yet we have people WILLINGLY and zealously going to Talmudic Rabbis for teaching!
the very same Rabbis who know full well their "holy books" curse Jesus and Christians - their "holy books" codified forever THE UNPARDONABLE SIN.
loving jews means NOT stamping approval on their dead religion. Judaism is a pagan religion - there is FAR more paganism incorporated into Judaism than Catholicism (the whipping post for HRs).
loving them means NOT stamping approval on their false religion and dead works.
NOT passing over their corporate crimes committed in their ignorance that they are in some Covenant with God - they're NOT!
so special wombs, no special favor in God's eyes.
and this isn't even touching on the fact 90% of jews today were NEVER israelites!
they follow a MYSTERY RELIGION!
LOVING jews it means loving them as all others in critical need of THE CROSS. full stop.
for the 10th time - those aren't jews in the pictures - they're gentiles offending jews by dressing and acting the way they THINK jews act (acted).
jews are offended by the gentile wanna-bes. it's an embarassment.
gentiles turning to Judaism think they are more pleasing to God by how they appear and behave before men - exactly the behaviour Jesus condemned. not mention the religion itslef has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Moses or the Patriarchs.
NOTHING! it's from BABYLON.
understand?
for the 10th time - according to Judaism - I AM JEWISH.
i could be top dog in Israel if i pursued it - white-skinned and all!!!
but for the 10th time - according to Judiasm because I AM A CHRISTIAN i am no longer a jew, but according to their LAW (which is NOT Moses) i'm worthy of death.
for the umpteenth time - unbeliving jews going about their own business and religion are not the problem.
it's judaizing in the church which is the problem...Jesus warned of it - the leaven! remember? THE DOCTRINE OF THE PHARISEES.
Paul warned us the people who bring these doctrines into the CHURCH and teach them to others are to be eternally DAMNED. now if one who was advancing beyond his years in Judaism is saying that, should he be listened to? apparently not.
people would rather seek to find fault with Paul than take the time to find out WHY he said what he said.
for the 10,000th time - according to JESUS there is neither jew nor greek.
why don't people believe Jesus?
jews are offended by religious philo-semitism.
this is a form of idolatry; no different from Mariolatry.
don't you get it?
i don't get it.
anyone who claims to love the jews and is fawning puffing them up; and fearful and afraid of the offense of the Cross (on their behalf - their only hope) doesn't know what love is. this is a shallow pretentious love based in gentile ego and complete ignorance of Who Jesus really was and why He came.
Israel did NOT obtain what it was seeking - but the ELECT remnant did.
if we don't know HOW and WHY the elect remnant did, why even make the pretense of being a follower of Yeshua (since HRs are eventually loathe to even associate with anything Christian).
election is BY GRACE ALONE, by the forknowledge of God the Father, according to His secret Wisdom and not by anything we or they have done.
nothing whatsoever to do with race or tradition or genealogy.
nothing whatsoever to do with clothing or beards or buildings or manner of speech (especially contrived speech).
maybe you should find out what Judaism is.
where the rituals come from.
even IF we were to observe the SHADOW of Passover, it's NOT the Seder of today.
why do it? WHY?
is blowing a shofar - which signals God's wrath ON ISRAEL and calling it worship harmful?
i dunno. i guess you'll find out on that Day.
is making a golden calf harmful? they thought they were pleasing their Maker.
oh please.
this old refrain.
that's exactly how it turns out.
you can't even admit this?
no.....Lutheranism is not a religion.
it's the name of a denomination within Christianity.
but judaizers generally deplore the reformation as well.
go back and read your own posts.
you've either changed your mind, or you're covering up.
go re-read your own posts.
really?
okay.
flocks?
there's ONE flock.
i know.
well there ya go.
to each their own.
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its what you were thinking all along...wasn't it?
whatever you do, don't do research. you'll find out eventually you'll be severed from Grace and practicing a hybrid religion based on Mystery Babylon the Great (1st century Jerusalem's Oral Traditions - from Babylon).
and no, the few running the Movement from behind the scenes are Christ-hating Rabbis.
good luck as you wander away from Christ and into bondage.
to each their own.
keep an ear out for when they tell you to take an oath.
they'll say you must be considered a Righteous Gentile.
or not. won't stop me from posting what i know.
though this is your thread, so i'll leave you to it.
i'll start a different one.
whatever you do, don't do research. you'll find out eventually you'll be severed from Grace and practicing a hybrid religion based on Mystery Babylon the Great (1st century Jerusalem's Oral Traditions - from Babylon).
and no, the few running the Movement from behind the scenes are Christ-hating Rabbis.
good luck as you wander away from Christ and into bondage.
to each their own.
keep an ear out for when they tell you to take an oath.
they'll say you must be considered a Righteous Gentile.
or not. won't stop me from posting what i know.
though this is your thread, so i'll leave you to it.
i'll start a different one.
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In a multitude of words...............proverbs. This is spinning out, and it no longer has any rhyme or reason, but good try. Just remember.........whether your religion is a denomination, and not a religion or a cult, as long as you truly rely on the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh, you will be just fine.
As for the shofar, you should know better than anyone, since your the well of knowledge in this room, that is away from the Word, the shofar has many different sounds for many different reasons.. I am sorry you can only remember one of them.
As for the shofar, you should know better than anyone, since your the well of knowledge in this room, that is away from the Word, the shofar has many different sounds for many different reasons.. I am sorry you can only remember one of them.
You really got me there. As if you did not know what I was saying. Blasphemy is telling people how to believe, and calling anyone you do not agree with varied barbaric names, like cultist, you have condemned an entire religion with this one. You know well my meaning, and if you do not you are not very understanding at all. Try to give it a rest. I do not know if you know it or not but you are derailing your thread, and you know this is not allowed according to Zone.
As for the word religion, within the Christian realm, all theologies amount to the definition of a religion, since they differ due to people calling all the others wrong or even calling them cults.
Once more, if a person feels good about wearing a any of the rabbinically inspired paraphernalia, this is between that person and God. If that person relies on the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh, that person is family in Christ, this also holds true for Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, and on down the line. From your condemnation, I reason you are a one religion (denomination) woman. When the time comes we will all stand before the Lord, Jesus. Blessed be all in Jesus Christ, Yeshua, amen.
As for the word religion, within the Christian realm, all theologies amount to the definition of a religion, since they differ due to people calling all the others wrong or even calling them cults.
Once more, if a person feels good about wearing a any of the rabbinically inspired paraphernalia, this is between that person and God. If that person relies on the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh, that person is family in Christ, this also holds true for Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, and on down the line. From your condemnation, I reason you are a one religion (denomination) woman. When the time comes we will all stand before the Lord, Jesus. Blessed be all in Jesus Christ, Yeshua, amen.
By the way, Zone, I asked why so bitter about Jews. Your overall dislike is of anything Jewish, be it Jews or non-Jews adopting the practices of Jews.
Are you capable of allowing others to believe as they are led by the Holy Spirit. Believe me when I say you are going to be bowled over when you see all the individuals from varied walks in this age being allowed through to the Kingdom, and it has very little to do with you or I think, it is the wisdom of Yahweh 100%.
Now, why are you so injured when others do not jump in line with your thinking. My actual bottom line is always advising folks to read the Word, believe the Word, and worship God, Whom I love to call Yahweh.....He is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Confuse this one......
Are you capable of allowing others to believe as they are led by the Holy Spirit. Believe me when I say you are going to be bowled over when you see all the individuals from varied walks in this age being allowed through to the Kingdom, and it has very little to do with you or I think, it is the wisdom of Yahweh 100%.
Now, why are you so injured when others do not jump in line with your thinking. My actual bottom line is always advising folks to read the Word, believe the Word, and worship God, Whom I love to call Yahweh.....He is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Confuse this one......
That would be in James, I believe, where we are taught, religion that is true is to help widows and orphans in their affliction and`to keep oneself unblemished by the world. here below I looked it up..
Jas 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Jas 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.