DO ALL PROPHESIES IN OLD & NEW TESTAMENTS CONTAIN ESSENTIAL DOCTRINE?
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All scripture is essential. All scripture is one unit, as far as explaining God principles. All scripture is truth.
However, it is possible to decide on something that isn't true of God, and use scripture to base that on. For instance, by not understanding the circumstances that a scripture was given to address.
For instance, In Corinth some women were disrupting the church service and Paul scolded them. If we don't read about what was going on that Paul was addressing, we have a hard time understanding Paul's scolding to those women.
Sometimes it is necessary to know history to know what scripture is saying or we can get it mixed up. You can understand how bewildering it would be to say to someone "cat got your tongue" to someone who lived hundreds of years ago. In the same way, sometimes history is necessary, especially in OT scripture, to understand what it is saying.
Sometimes one point is brought out to us about what we need to know about what God wants of us, and if we don't read everything relating to how God wants us to understand, we can misunderstand. Sin and law is an illustration. There are hundreds of verses explaining it. The 119th psalm is all about law, there are 176 verses in that psalm alone. If someone reads only 20 or so from a few books and says they know all about law it would be like the blind men explaining the elephant. One felt the tail and said the elephant is like a snake.
It is also necessary to know that the bible is explaining spiritual concepts. We are humans. So bible often uses human illustrations to show us the spiritual. Right now I am studying Daniel. In that book a dream was given to the Babylonian king to explain what was going to happen in the world, the dream was of a metal statue. God used the properties of the metal statue to illustrate the things He would be bringing about in the world. God was not saying that He would create a statue like in the dream. Often the bible uses physical things we understand to illustrate the spiritual things that is hard for us to understand, and that we don't have physical words for.
However, it is possible to decide on something that isn't true of God, and use scripture to base that on. For instance, by not understanding the circumstances that a scripture was given to address.
For instance, In Corinth some women were disrupting the church service and Paul scolded them. If we don't read about what was going on that Paul was addressing, we have a hard time understanding Paul's scolding to those women.
Sometimes it is necessary to know history to know what scripture is saying or we can get it mixed up. You can understand how bewildering it would be to say to someone "cat got your tongue" to someone who lived hundreds of years ago. In the same way, sometimes history is necessary, especially in OT scripture, to understand what it is saying.
Sometimes one point is brought out to us about what we need to know about what God wants of us, and if we don't read everything relating to how God wants us to understand, we can misunderstand. Sin and law is an illustration. There are hundreds of verses explaining it. The 119th psalm is all about law, there are 176 verses in that psalm alone. If someone reads only 20 or so from a few books and says they know all about law it would be like the blind men explaining the elephant. One felt the tail and said the elephant is like a snake.
It is also necessary to know that the bible is explaining spiritual concepts. We are humans. So bible often uses human illustrations to show us the spiritual. Right now I am studying Daniel. In that book a dream was given to the Babylonian king to explain what was going to happen in the world, the dream was of a metal statue. God used the properties of the metal statue to illustrate the things He would be bringing about in the world. God was not saying that He would create a statue like in the dream. Often the bible uses physical things we understand to illustrate the spiritual things that is hard for us to understand, and that we don't have physical words for.
W
All scripture is given by inspiration of God.....and is profitable for doctrine. I think directly or indirectly all scripture can be used for instruction in things pertaining to God.........I sometimes question some of the counsels and history I have heard , as to who ,what and whens, of the canonization of the NT.But I read the scripture as God's word. Amen
Ok, here goes. Personal prophesy, such as to individuals in scripture doesn't have the importance/weight/authority as other scripture. An example:
1 Samuel 9:18-20 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Then Saul drew near to Samuel in the gate, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, where the seer's house is. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And Samuel answered Saul, and said, I am the seer: go up before me unto the high place; for ye shall eat with me to day, and to morrow I will let thee go, and will tell thee all that is in thine heart. [SUP]20 [/SUP]And as for thine asses that were lost three days ago, set not thy mind on them; for they are found. And on whom is all the desire of Israel? Is it not on thee, and on all thy father's house?
Here Samuel gives a personal prophesy to Saul about lost donkeys. Not a lot of theology there, right? It's personal. Yet cessationists say all is equally important in scripture no matter what. Their reasoning is that any NEW personal prophesy ADDS to scripture, corrupting it. They say such personal prophesy EQUALS scripture because God said it. This is just not so.
1 Samuel 9:18-20 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Then Saul drew near to Samuel in the gate, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, where the seer's house is. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And Samuel answered Saul, and said, I am the seer: go up before me unto the high place; for ye shall eat with me to day, and to morrow I will let thee go, and will tell thee all that is in thine heart. [SUP]20 [/SUP]And as for thine asses that were lost three days ago, set not thy mind on them; for they are found. And on whom is all the desire of Israel? Is it not on thee, and on all thy father's house?
Here Samuel gives a personal prophesy to Saul about lost donkeys. Not a lot of theology there, right? It's personal. Yet cessationists say all is equally important in scripture no matter what. Their reasoning is that any NEW personal prophesy ADDS to scripture, corrupting it. They say such personal prophesy EQUALS scripture because God said it. This is just not so.
brother crossnote, sister zone, and brother stephen63...
if we are to say there are no more prophets etc. etc.... then we make GOD'S HOLY WORD A LIE AND GOD IS NOW IMPERFECT...
FOR INSTANCE... GOD HIMSELF STATES IN HIS OWN HOLY WORD...
1 CORINTHIANS 12:28..
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
EPHESIANS 4:11-13...
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
let me guess... that has all been done away with since we have the HOLY WORD/ HOLY BIBLE OF GOD.
then what about this...
MATTHEW 24:35...
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
1 PETER 1:25...
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
EVEN IN OLD TESTAMENT...
ISAIAH 40:8...
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
ISN'T THE HOLY WORD OF GOD CONTAINED IN THE HOLY BIBLE THE VERY WORD OF GOD GIVEN AND WRITTEN THROUGH MEN FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT FOR US TO DO EVEN NOW AS GOD HAS COMMANDED THEN?
OR is this also wrong as well...
2 TIMOTHY 3:16...
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 PETER 1:19-21...
[SUP]19 [/SUP]We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
as for " personal prophecy " we see this throughout old testament and new testament... it's nothing new...
GOD BLESS...
N
2nd Timothy 3:
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Not sure that I am going to answer this very well, but here goes.
Samuel was a prophet of God,
God had many chosen Prophets, because why? The Holy Ghost never lived in anyone back before Christ as in after the resurrection of Christ where we are today under a new Covenant, where by belief one is saved by God and God implants himself in the form of the Holy Ghost, the very same Holy Ghost that led Christ.
Here is my point today we need no one else to teach us:
For God in the form of the Holy Ghost comes to live in us if God approves ones belief in other words God knows everyone's motive, and by one's motive is whether or not one will see truth as it is in its purity
Hebrews 1:1 [ God’s Supreme Revelation ] God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
Hebrews 1:2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Hebrews 1:4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
So today God speaks to us directly in our redeemed Spirit's, not flesh Spirit's. God's Spirit, since God is a Spirit and can only be worshipped in Spirit.
So see what Christ did come to do as he said it
Matthew 5:17 [ Christ Fulfills the Law ] “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
When he filled the Law as what God had him here for, then he was to die for us to also die to the law that held us in captivity, being dead from day one being born of flesh and taught of flesh.
So when at the cross he yells out
John 19:30
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
This death brought in a new Covenant from the Law of Moses, yet was the original Covenant God had promised Abraham through belief in God that God is only good, just as Jesus said it to the rich man in Matt 19.
The difference today is we are indwelt by God, not visited by, indwelt
Ephesians 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
So today after the cross where Christ is resurrected and at the right hand of God, rested. Are we to be the same since God is for us, who truthfully can be against us. Other people, all the time, yet no one else is the creator are they, not me, not you, not anyone else
God said it I am forgiven, and God said this too, that he came to give me life, and give it to me more abundantly, this for you too, and that choose to believe God at God's word
We are no longer under the bondage of sinful behavior, we are now by God under love, even as God tried to get them to see it is Love that God desired for us all to see and just Love all as God does just love us all
But the first chosen over looked the love and tried to fulfill commandments instead, never seeing the greatest of all is Love
And when Christ came here he tried to tell them that Love of God and neighbor was and is the greatest of all commandments
But no we got others piece milling things together and to me when it does out in God's type of Love, then I know whatever is being promoted by whomever not showing the miraculous love of God are not God's as of yet, might be on their way and might not be. It is not for me to Judge, it is for me to ask God to do what needs to be done through me though me out of the way. Because I do know as Paul said in Romans 7 every time I wish to do good I do evil instead.
Therefore I not only need God living in me, but more importantly through me
Hope to have helped you and God to confirm what is said here for your growth in resting in God, by what God has done for you and will do through you, no more arguments and or fight no matter what another says. God is for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Samuel was a prophet of God,
God had many chosen Prophets, because why? The Holy Ghost never lived in anyone back before Christ as in after the resurrection of Christ where we are today under a new Covenant, where by belief one is saved by God and God implants himself in the form of the Holy Ghost, the very same Holy Ghost that led Christ.
Here is my point today we need no one else to teach us:
For God in the form of the Holy Ghost comes to live in us if God approves ones belief in other words God knows everyone's motive, and by one's motive is whether or not one will see truth as it is in its purity
Hebrews 1:1 [ God’s Supreme Revelation ] God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
Hebrews 1:2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Hebrews 1:4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
So today God speaks to us directly in our redeemed Spirit's, not flesh Spirit's. God's Spirit, since God is a Spirit and can only be worshipped in Spirit.
So see what Christ did come to do as he said it
Matthew 5:17 [ Christ Fulfills the Law ] “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
When he filled the Law as what God had him here for, then he was to die for us to also die to the law that held us in captivity, being dead from day one being born of flesh and taught of flesh.
So when at the cross he yells out
John 19:30
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
This death brought in a new Covenant from the Law of Moses, yet was the original Covenant God had promised Abraham through belief in God that God is only good, just as Jesus said it to the rich man in Matt 19.
The difference today is we are indwelt by God, not visited by, indwelt
Ephesians 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
So today after the cross where Christ is resurrected and at the right hand of God, rested. Are we to be the same since God is for us, who truthfully can be against us. Other people, all the time, yet no one else is the creator are they, not me, not you, not anyone else
God said it I am forgiven, and God said this too, that he came to give me life, and give it to me more abundantly, this for you too, and that choose to believe God at God's word
We are no longer under the bondage of sinful behavior, we are now by God under love, even as God tried to get them to see it is Love that God desired for us all to see and just Love all as God does just love us all
But the first chosen over looked the love and tried to fulfill commandments instead, never seeing the greatest of all is Love
And when Christ came here he tried to tell them that Love of God and neighbor was and is the greatest of all commandments
But no we got others piece milling things together and to me when it does out in God's type of Love, then I know whatever is being promoted by whomever not showing the miraculous love of God are not God's as of yet, might be on their way and might not be. It is not for me to Judge, it is for me to ask God to do what needs to be done through me though me out of the way. Because I do know as Paul said in Romans 7 every time I wish to do good I do evil instead.
Therefore I not only need God living in me, but more importantly through me
Hope to have helped you and God to confirm what is said here for your growth in resting in God, by what God has done for you and will do through you, no more arguments and or fight no matter what another says. God is for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't you think God is sufficient by God, the word is no more than a tool and is not inerrant, close, but not inerrant, only the original translation is, no ands, ifs or buts on this
And it is only properly discern by God living in one to set one free, for it is the truth that sets one free
Reading the Bible in and from flesh, their are many contradictions not seen in context, and since it is not inerrant as well, it would take God to do the discerning would it not?
Now if I am in bondage and the truth is to set me free, and I am n bondage while I am learning truth, which many are.
Do you think that maybe one that knows they are in bondage might need to re-think their truth.
Because only error put and or keeps one in Bondage
Anyway some meat to eat and enjoy
And it is only properly discern by God living in one to set one free, for it is the truth that sets one free
Reading the Bible in and from flesh, their are many contradictions not seen in context, and since it is not inerrant as well, it would take God to do the discerning would it not?
Now if I am in bondage and the truth is to set me free, and I am n bondage while I am learning truth, which many are.
Do you think that maybe one that knows they are in bondage might need to re-think their truth.
Because only error put and or keeps one in Bondage
Anyway some meat to eat and enjoy
I believe all Holy Scripture will enlighten. You must know that no one, save our Lord, knows all of the Holy Scripture as per all interpretation, but many know much.
Although I have read the Word dozens of times in several languages, I am quite aware there are many who know much more than I ever will who have read the Word but one time or even not at all.
It is wonderful reading and rereading becaue each time I experience the Word it is new, and always oh so wonderful. This is my experience and testimony. Anything here is to the glory of Yeshua, and I thank Him for His constant care and attention.
I know of some examples of Old Testament Holy Scripture from the laws even that came out as parables from our Savior. Because I have indeed posted these in the past, I will not bother to do so now unless anyone wishes to read them.
Although I have read the Word dozens of times in several languages, I am quite aware there are many who know much more than I ever will who have read the Word but one time or even not at all.
It is wonderful reading and rereading becaue each time I experience the Word it is new, and always oh so wonderful. This is my experience and testimony. Anything here is to the glory of Yeshua, and I thank Him for His constant care and attention.
I know of some examples of Old Testament Holy Scripture from the laws even that came out as parables from our Savior. Because I have indeed posted these in the past, I will not bother to do so now unless anyone wishes to read them.
and all of this today is for all of those that believe God is the teacher today to all that believe
So we all that believe have all that we need for life and Godliness through Christ's finished work
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
So we all that believe have all that we need for life and Godliness through Christ's finished work
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
brother homwardbound...
1 JOHN 2:27...
[SUP]27. [/SUP]But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
BUT so many misinterpret this scripture... what GOD HIMSELF is saying is... the HOLY SPIRIT CALLS OUT TO THOSE WHO TRULY HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT AND TEACHES THEM... DEEP CALLING TO THE DEEP... yet GOD'S HOLY VOICE WAS SPOKEN THROUGH A MAN EVEN IF IT IS WITHIN OURSELVES WE STILL HEAR GOD'S VOICE...
ALSO just as the HOLY WORD OF GOD ALSO STATES... we need to FELLOWSHIP... FOR GOD HIMSELF PLACED TRUE BORN AGAIN HOLY SPIRIT FILLED SONS TO BRING US GOD'S HOLY MESSAGE OF THIS VERY HOUR...
1 CORINTHIANS 12:28...
[SUP]28. [/SUP]And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
EPHESIANS 4:11-13...
[SUP]11. [/SUP]And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
[SUP]12. [/SUP]For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
[SUP]13. [/SUP]Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
SO you see GOD does teach us through the HOLY SPIRIT yet it is spoken through a man in the Church, within ourselves, even through a child, or whom ever GOD WISHES... and GOD HIMSELF will guide us to these TRUE BORN AGAIN HOLY SPIRIT FILLED... APOSTLES, PROPHETS, TEACHERS, PASTORS, AND EVANGELISTS... IF AND ONLY IF WE ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN... WHICH IS A TRUE SON AND DAUGHTER OF GOD THAT IS TRULY HOLY SPIRIT FILLED WITH GOD LIVING WITHIN OUR HEARTS...
GOD BLESS...