The Truth About Billy Graham
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self, my way not the highway, when it is truthfully God's way through the Son Christ, the only way, the only truth , and is where new life is given to those that believe to just love one another as God said how are anyone different if they only love those that love them, even the ___________________________________ do this. So how here is anyone different bashing anyone else?
We shall know then by their love of God that the world can't and will not receive, no flesh can or will
Love you all
We shall know then by their love of God that the world can't and will not receive, no flesh can or will
Love you all
we all shall be at the GWT judgment, and all will be held accountable and many will be dismissed as not ever knowing Christ even though many came to Christ through any preacher, and we are told to leave them alone, yet just can't huh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if one is preaching Christ leave them alone, it is God's judgment not anyone's here, I would to think that Billy Graham is real just as anyone else here I like to think the same, but ultimately it is God's decision, no one else's. we are called to wise as serpents, but harmless as doves
So please refrain from bashing one another and especially Billy Graham, for as you judge another you shall be judged by others and this is not good, dividing Christ as what is happening here
Thanks hope for anyone to listen and hear what the Spirit of God is saying
So please refrain from bashing one another and especially Billy Graham, for as you judge another you shall be judged by others and this is not good, dividing Christ as what is happening here
Thanks hope for anyone to listen and hear what the Spirit of God is saying
I disagree with this thread ! false accusations !!
Brother,be careful of every words you said...have fear in God and do not touch His anointed ! I'm not trying to scare you, I'm just giving you a warning. You seem do not realize the danger when someone slandering a man of God,there is always consequences of such act. Better for you to repent before it's too late. Even david can't accuse king saul because he knw that king saul is still God's anointed no matter what.
Ok God bless you.
Brother,be careful of every words you said...have fear in God and do not touch His anointed ! I'm not trying to scare you, I'm just giving you a warning. You seem do not realize the danger when someone slandering a man of God,there is always consequences of such act. Better for you to repent before it's too late. Even david can't accuse king saul because he knw that king saul is still God's anointed no matter what.
Ok God bless you.
Again, what is the point of this campaign ?? I do not find any slander in this forum by my friends. I DO find people defending the truth of Scripture. In the present. I also just do not like the constant hammering of someone who has served God with all his heart, made a huge difference in spreading the gospel around the world, reached out to those who are from other faith groups (like Catholics) and is not able to defend himself here.
Try and remember, Billy Graham was called by God as an evangelist, not a teacher or preacher. And he succeeded with millions of souls finding Jesus, especially in his early ministry. So if he has doctrinal errors, I do not hear them in his evangelist crusades, because as your original post proved, he preached the real gospel. Jesus lived, was crucified for our sins, and raised from the dead by the mighty power of God.
Argue with me and slam me for my theology, and I will try and cite book and verse, or admit I am wrong and confess my errors. I do not purposely post on some threads, because my mind is not made up about certain theological issues. But if I have really divided the Word, I will discuss, post and defend people who are arguing the truth.
You seem to get into a place, Stephen, where you become very angry at certain people. Billy Graham is your target right now. I would suggest you need to get some kind of peer counseling to find out what underlies this rage. I offered to be your friend, and you turned me down. I knew we did not agree on many issues, but I still respected your posts at that time, and the way you reflected Christ. And that is our goal, really - to reflect the image of Christ.
"And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit" 2 Cor. 3:18.
I am not against you, but I do feel you have really gone off the rails with this post. You may be 100% correct about Billy Graham's theology. But he has done more for the Kingdom of God than any person here, or for that matter the entire forum. I think that more than good theology, the fruits are what matter. I repent if I have attacked any person here, and ask forgiveness.
I am not the judge, I will leave Billy Graham to God. I pray you will cease trying to singlehandedly bring down a great man of God.
"Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Thess. 5:23.
Try and remember, Billy Graham was called by God as an evangelist, not a teacher or preacher. And he succeeded with millions of souls finding Jesus, especially in his early ministry. So if he has doctrinal errors, I do not hear them in his evangelist crusades, because as your original post proved, he preached the real gospel. Jesus lived, was crucified for our sins, and raised from the dead by the mighty power of God.
Argue with me and slam me for my theology, and I will try and cite book and verse, or admit I am wrong and confess my errors. I do not purposely post on some threads, because my mind is not made up about certain theological issues. But if I have really divided the Word, I will discuss, post and defend people who are arguing the truth.
You seem to get into a place, Stephen, where you become very angry at certain people. Billy Graham is your target right now. I would suggest you need to get some kind of peer counseling to find out what underlies this rage. I offered to be your friend, and you turned me down. I knew we did not agree on many issues, but I still respected your posts at that time, and the way you reflected Christ. And that is our goal, really - to reflect the image of Christ.
"And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit" 2 Cor. 3:18.
I am not against you, but I do feel you have really gone off the rails with this post. You may be 100% correct about Billy Graham's theology. But he has done more for the Kingdom of God than any person here, or for that matter the entire forum. I think that more than good theology, the fruits are what matter. I repent if I have attacked any person here, and ask forgiveness.
I am not the judge, I will leave Billy Graham to God. I pray you will cease trying to singlehandedly bring down a great man of God.
"Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Thess. 5:23.
Angela,
There was a time when preachers preached strict & straight & hit their targets in their messages. In general, that is no longer the case. The reason why is because most church-goers don't want to hear it.
We have forgotten what it's like to hear hard preaching. Such ministry exposes the heart of the believer, showing them their sins. The Father wants that so that His children repents & draws closer to Him.
You may think I'm just out to get this guy. That's not true. I'm out to expose what he believes & teaches. So many church goers think of him as a fatherly/grandfatherly figure that they NEVER question what he does. We are juged by what we "LIVE", not how we "ACT".
The man who supported his first tent revival, covering the costs for the tent, parking, & thousands of FREE front page listings on national newspapers was William Randolph Hearst, a practicing Mason. He never was a christian. Why would he do something like that? Some of Graham's closest friends are Norman Vincent Peale, a 33rd degree Mason & known heretic. Robert Schuller, another 33rd degree Mason, who is also known for preaching heresy. Friends like Presidents Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush Sr. & Jr., ALL practicing Masons, none of which are saved. His religious friends are some of the most liberal in history.
Fellowshipping with friends like this, one is not living what he preaches.
Most people know about his Universalist views because of the 1997 video. But did you know he started believing that in the late 50's - early 60's? This is why most of his pictures with religious leaders are Catholic priests, or the Pope himself. This is why he sent many of his converts to Catholic churches & liberal churches. Didn't know that, did you?
Did you know in 1977 He had an off the books slush fund of over $20 million? He later reorganized it as a school/ retreat fund.
Check out how many awards he's acquired from worldly & liberal organizations. He's a superstar. In less than 1 year he went from a son of a dairy farmer to a superstar evangelist! Superstars aren't called, they're MADE. Many preachers are known by the world. But few of them are loved by it. And he is loved by all the world.
Matthew 24:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Luke 6:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
John 15:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
John 15:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
1 John 3:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
There was a time when preachers preached strict & straight & hit their targets in their messages. In general, that is no longer the case. The reason why is because most church-goers don't want to hear it.
We have forgotten what it's like to hear hard preaching. Such ministry exposes the heart of the believer, showing them their sins. The Father wants that so that His children repents & draws closer to Him.
You may think I'm just out to get this guy. That's not true. I'm out to expose what he believes & teaches. So many church goers think of him as a fatherly/grandfatherly figure that they NEVER question what he does. We are juged by what we "LIVE", not how we "ACT".
The man who supported his first tent revival, covering the costs for the tent, parking, & thousands of FREE front page listings on national newspapers was William Randolph Hearst, a practicing Mason. He never was a christian. Why would he do something like that? Some of Graham's closest friends are Norman Vincent Peale, a 33rd degree Mason & known heretic. Robert Schuller, another 33rd degree Mason, who is also known for preaching heresy. Friends like Presidents Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush Sr. & Jr., ALL practicing Masons, none of which are saved. His religious friends are some of the most liberal in history.
Fellowshipping with friends like this, one is not living what he preaches.
Most people know about his Universalist views because of the 1997 video. But did you know he started believing that in the late 50's - early 60's? This is why most of his pictures with religious leaders are Catholic priests, or the Pope himself. This is why he sent many of his converts to Catholic churches & liberal churches. Didn't know that, did you?
Did you know in 1977 He had an off the books slush fund of over $20 million? He later reorganized it as a school/ retreat fund.
Check out how many awards he's acquired from worldly & liberal organizations. He's a superstar. In less than 1 year he went from a son of a dairy farmer to a superstar evangelist! Superstars aren't called, they're MADE. Many preachers are known by the world. But few of them are loved by it. And he is loved by all the world.
Matthew 24:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Luke 6:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
John 15:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
John 15:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
1 John 3:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
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I am not an angry man. But your insinuations that I need professional help I find quite insulting.
I have been married for 29 years & my wife has never seen rage in me.
As far as turning down your friend request, That was because you associate with some on here that would make an Muslim look like a choirboy & post your "likes" on their insults & mockings.
You also belong to Birds Of A Rare Feather http://christianchat.com/group.php?groupid=294 , That say this about their group:
What are we like minded about? This group is geared toward:
Non-Pentecostals
Non-Charasmatics
Non-Dispensationalists
Non-Premillennials
Non-Prosperity Gospel
Non-Hyper Preterists
Non-Super Apostles
Non-"Deliverance Ministry" types who see demons behind every bush.
That sounds a little too "cliquish" for my tastes being a Pentecostal pastor. Some might find that offensive. Why would I take a friend request from someone who runs with those who believe Pentecostals & Dispensationalists are heretics & going to Hell?
I have been married for 29 years & my wife has never seen rage in me.
As far as turning down your friend request, That was because you associate with some on here that would make an Muslim look like a choirboy & post your "likes" on their insults & mockings.
You also belong to Birds Of A Rare Feather http://christianchat.com/group.php?groupid=294 , That say this about their group:
What are we like minded about? This group is geared toward:
Non-Pentecostals
Non-Charasmatics
Non-Dispensationalists
Non-Premillennials
Non-Prosperity Gospel
Non-Hyper Preterists
Non-Super Apostles
Non-"Deliverance Ministry" types who see demons behind every bush.
That sounds a little too "cliquish" for my tastes being a Pentecostal pastor. Some might find that offensive. Why would I take a friend request from someone who runs with those who believe Pentecostals & Dispensationalists are heretics & going to Hell?
Question: Does heart purity have anything to do with salvation?
There is not a single mention in that response above about the heart of a believer being actually made pure. The purity that is spoken of is a FORENSIC ACCREDITATION of the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST. The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association teaches the Reformed Doctrine of "Imputed Righteousness" where the "obedient track record of Jesus" is "credited to the believers account." Thus salvation has NOTHING to do whatsoever with the heart of the believer being made pure.
The above answer clearly proves that the emphasis is on a FORENSIC CREDIT whereby the "righteousness of Christ" is a CLOAK for an ACTUAL STATE of iniquity.
Can anyone else see how Satan has COMPLETELY removed the aspect of REAL HEART PURITY being actualised in salvation? It is as plain as day folks.
Jesus said...
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Jesus did not say "blessed are those who will be credited with 'my righteousness' to their account."
Paul quoted David...
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
David stated...
Psa 32:1 A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psa 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
These wolves skip over the last part verse two which says, "in whose spirit there is no guile." They can't teach that because they don't believe it. They preach a GUILE CLOAK instead of teaching that GUILE IS PURGED.
Jesus stated...
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
The context of verse 20 is CLEARLY in relation to heart purity for Jesus is speaking about the external manifestation of sin (ie. adultery/murder) and the root in the heart (lust/hate). Jesus says "YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" and is thus addressing the actual state of the heart. The "Jesus Cloak" is an ear tickling HOAX.
Anyway I went to the Spiritual Growth Topics and looked up Grace as I was advised to do in the email and here is some of what I found...
That answer is a very subtle satanic lie dressed up to sound biblical. The answer first sets the trap by teaching that "good deeds cannot balance our bad deeds" which is true. It then teaches that you have to be PERFECT in order to enter heaven and of course no-one is perfect. Then the trap is sprung with the answer of a forensic transfer. There is nothing in that answer about HEART PURITY. The Bible teaches that the blood of Christ PURGES THE CONSCIENCE.
The basis of salvation in the answer above is SUBSTITUTION. In other words all one has to do is TRUST that Jesus was PUNISHED IN THEIR PLACE whereby the wrath due was satisfied in full. Believe that and PRESTO the magic exchange of your sin going to Jesus and His righteousness going to you takes place. You get the cloak so to speak. You are in the bubble.
Anyone who buys into that garbage as the basis for their salvation is extremely deceived.
Jesus simply did not die in our place. Jesus died on our behalf.
Jesus purchased us with His blood from the dominion of sin by dying on our behalf thus opening the door whereby we can be reconciled to God by dying with Christ through the baptism of repentance where our old man is crucified, that old man who lived a life in service to sin. Thus we die to sin in order that we live unto righteousness. This is the cross, not what Billy Graham and all the other celebrity preachers are teaching.
The cross is an instrument of death and we must die in order that we live. It is in dying with Christ that we are raised up with Him to newness of life where ALL things are made new. ALL THINGS means ALL THINGS.
These people preach a CLOAK for ongoing "service of sin." They might preach a lot of truths about morality and doing the right thing but their message is completely devoid of the mechanic whereby the HEART IS MADE PURE. Rip that out of the Gospel and you have no Gospel.
The message preached by these wolves completely eliminates the DEATH OF THE OLD MAN and thus there is NO PURGING OF THE HEART. Due to this their false gospel leaves converts still enslaved to sin. The converts under this lie remain inwardly defiled just like the Pharisees.
It is mind boggling as to how clearly the Bible lays all this out and yet millions of people cannot see it. It is a SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS which is encompassing the WHOLE EARTH.
Here is something else from that website...
Is that really what the Bible teaches? That Jesus died in order to pay the equivalent of your speeding fine?
My Bible says this...
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Why don't they quote that?
Or this...
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The focus is always on WRATH SATISFACTION as opposed to BEING PURCHASED TO SERVE RIGHTEOUSNESS.
1Co 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
1Co 7:24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
These wolves never preach the gift of God within the context of being set free from the "service of sin" whereby we can then "serve righteousness." They never teach that.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
What they do preach is that believers are "set free from condemnation" due to the "penalty having been paid" and then people SHOULD serve righteousness out of gratitude for what has already taken place. It is a total perversion of what the Bible teaches.
The reason we serve righteousness is not out of gratitude, it is because in dying with Christ we die to the service of sin and thus become the servants of righteousness in that we are raised up with Christ to newness of life. It has nothing to do with gratitude for some penalty being paid. Jesus did not pay the penalty due sin. He died on our behalf in order to PURCHASE us from the dominion of sin.
For sure we are grateful for what Christ has done but the service of righteousness IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. We do it because we truly love God and love our neighbour having had our hearts purified by faith. The Spirit of God has regenerated or quickened us back to life in that we have been renewed by the Holy Ghost. In other words we have gone from darkness to light.
Please diligently examine these things.
There is not a single mention in that response above about the heart of a believer being actually made pure. The purity that is spoken of is a FORENSIC ACCREDITATION of the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST. The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association teaches the Reformed Doctrine of "Imputed Righteousness" where the "obedient track record of Jesus" is "credited to the believers account." Thus salvation has NOTHING to do whatsoever with the heart of the believer being made pure.
The above answer clearly proves that the emphasis is on a FORENSIC CREDIT whereby the "righteousness of Christ" is a CLOAK for an ACTUAL STATE of iniquity.
Can anyone else see how Satan has COMPLETELY removed the aspect of REAL HEART PURITY being actualised in salvation? It is as plain as day folks.
Jesus said...
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Jesus did not say "blessed are those who will be credited with 'my righteousness' to their account."
Paul quoted David...
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
David stated...
Psa 32:1 A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psa 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
These wolves skip over the last part verse two which says, "in whose spirit there is no guile." They can't teach that because they don't believe it. They preach a GUILE CLOAK instead of teaching that GUILE IS PURGED.
Jesus stated...
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
The context of verse 20 is CLEARLY in relation to heart purity for Jesus is speaking about the external manifestation of sin (ie. adultery/murder) and the root in the heart (lust/hate). Jesus says "YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" and is thus addressing the actual state of the heart. The "Jesus Cloak" is an ear tickling HOAX.
Anyway I went to the Spiritual Growth Topics and looked up Grace as I was advised to do in the email and here is some of what I found...
That answer is a very subtle satanic lie dressed up to sound biblical. The answer first sets the trap by teaching that "good deeds cannot balance our bad deeds" which is true. It then teaches that you have to be PERFECT in order to enter heaven and of course no-one is perfect. Then the trap is sprung with the answer of a forensic transfer. There is nothing in that answer about HEART PURITY. The Bible teaches that the blood of Christ PURGES THE CONSCIENCE.
The basis of salvation in the answer above is SUBSTITUTION. In other words all one has to do is TRUST that Jesus was PUNISHED IN THEIR PLACE whereby the wrath due was satisfied in full. Believe that and PRESTO the magic exchange of your sin going to Jesus and His righteousness going to you takes place. You get the cloak so to speak. You are in the bubble.
Anyone who buys into that garbage as the basis for their salvation is extremely deceived.
Jesus simply did not die in our place. Jesus died on our behalf.
Jesus purchased us with His blood from the dominion of sin by dying on our behalf thus opening the door whereby we can be reconciled to God by dying with Christ through the baptism of repentance where our old man is crucified, that old man who lived a life in service to sin. Thus we die to sin in order that we live unto righteousness. This is the cross, not what Billy Graham and all the other celebrity preachers are teaching.
The cross is an instrument of death and we must die in order that we live. It is in dying with Christ that we are raised up with Him to newness of life where ALL things are made new. ALL THINGS means ALL THINGS.
These people preach a CLOAK for ongoing "service of sin." They might preach a lot of truths about morality and doing the right thing but their message is completely devoid of the mechanic whereby the HEART IS MADE PURE. Rip that out of the Gospel and you have no Gospel.
The message preached by these wolves completely eliminates the DEATH OF THE OLD MAN and thus there is NO PURGING OF THE HEART. Due to this their false gospel leaves converts still enslaved to sin. The converts under this lie remain inwardly defiled just like the Pharisees.
It is mind boggling as to how clearly the Bible lays all this out and yet millions of people cannot see it. It is a SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS which is encompassing the WHOLE EARTH.
Here is something else from that website...
Is that really what the Bible teaches? That Jesus died in order to pay the equivalent of your speeding fine?
My Bible says this...
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Why don't they quote that?
Or this...
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The focus is always on WRATH SATISFACTION as opposed to BEING PURCHASED TO SERVE RIGHTEOUSNESS.
1Co 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
1Co 7:24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
These wolves never preach the gift of God within the context of being set free from the "service of sin" whereby we can then "serve righteousness." They never teach that.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
What they do preach is that believers are "set free from condemnation" due to the "penalty having been paid" and then people SHOULD serve righteousness out of gratitude for what has already taken place. It is a total perversion of what the Bible teaches.
The reason we serve righteousness is not out of gratitude, it is because in dying with Christ we die to the service of sin and thus become the servants of righteousness in that we are raised up with Christ to newness of life. It has nothing to do with gratitude for some penalty being paid. Jesus did not pay the penalty due sin. He died on our behalf in order to PURCHASE us from the dominion of sin.
For sure we are grateful for what Christ has done but the service of righteousness IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. We do it because we truly love God and love our neighbour having had our hearts purified by faith. The Spirit of God has regenerated or quickened us back to life in that we have been renewed by the Holy Ghost. In other words we have gone from darkness to light.
Please diligently examine these things.
I do not see anywhere in the description of Birds of a Rare Feather where it states who does and does not go to heaven. These are doctrinal issues. I was a Pentecostal/Charismatic for 15 years after I was saved. I realized how wrong the theology was, esp. those branching out of classical pentecostalism into the Word Faith heresy. I am totally against Dispensationalism, always was! But it took reading the Bible and studying it seriously to realize what a lie that and the whole fake "rapture" and premillennialism was. I am honest in that I have NEVER believed in deliverance ministries, which are based on hype and ignorance. As for the Hyper-Preterists, and super apostles, I think it is just wrong.
But still looking for a place where it says people who believe false doctrine about eschatology are unsaved. I have many friends who are still Pentecostal and we enjoy discussing our differences (!!) I see a love of Jesus in their hearts and lives, and I think that is what will matter in the end.
As far as Arminianism, (not on the list, I realize) I think it is a deadly and destructive doctrine leading people to become discouraged when they inevitably realize that they cannot measure up to God. My husband still is caught in that lie, and his discouragement makes me cry, and pray for him to be freed. (Now maybe that doctrine is a bit of the demonic!!)
Besides, in Canada, we have a pentecostal denomination which is amillennial. I was always told by the PAOC people (affiliated with AofG) that they were heretics going to hell.
So perhaps the mistake is on your part Stephen. If you were able to join that group, you would find we rarely spend time knocking other churches, more discussing what we have in common and what we believe. That is good fellowship to me. Of course, you have never specified which Pentecostal group you are affiliated with, or if you are independent, so perhaps you are projecting your concept of heresy onto our group. And thus excluding us from the Kingdom of God??? Or not!!
But still looking for a place where it says people who believe false doctrine about eschatology are unsaved. I have many friends who are still Pentecostal and we enjoy discussing our differences (!!) I see a love of Jesus in their hearts and lives, and I think that is what will matter in the end.
As far as Arminianism, (not on the list, I realize) I think it is a deadly and destructive doctrine leading people to become discouraged when they inevitably realize that they cannot measure up to God. My husband still is caught in that lie, and his discouragement makes me cry, and pray for him to be freed. (Now maybe that doctrine is a bit of the demonic!!)
Besides, in Canada, we have a pentecostal denomination which is amillennial. I was always told by the PAOC people (affiliated with AofG) that they were heretics going to hell.
So perhaps the mistake is on your part Stephen. If you were able to join that group, you would find we rarely spend time knocking other churches, more discussing what we have in common and what we believe. That is good fellowship to me. Of course, you have never specified which Pentecostal group you are affiliated with, or if you are independent, so perhaps you are projecting your concept of heresy onto our group. And thus excluding us from the Kingdom of God??? Or not!!
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Here's what you omitted from your "Birds Of a Rare Feather" slam Stephen. Perhaps next time you yourself might heed your own advice and "quote the whole thing".
<And of course we believe Jesus is the only way, and the Bible is God's word, that believers must become conformed to Jesus, and that we await the new Heavens and new Earth.
We're here to uplift each other who are like minded on these side issues of the faith. We're not declaring people who disagree with us on these issues as "unsaved".>
<And of course we believe Jesus is the only way, and the Bible is God's word, that believers must become conformed to Jesus, and that we await the new Heavens and new Earth.
We're here to uplift each other who are like minded on these side issues of the faith. We're not declaring people who disagree with us on these issues as "unsaved".>