BLESSED ARE THE PERSECUTED

[JaumeJ]

I believe Yeshua, Jesus. I do not wish to out suffer anyone here, but I have learned by experience what He teaches on suffering and tribulation.

Read just how much Yeshua bothered to teach us on the subject, and then continue on into the Epistles. Do this, learn of the Master in lieu of telling others they have or have not had these experiences for the name of our Lord, Yeshua. You will benefit from His Word. His Blood cleanses us from all guilt of sin, amen.

Remember you are addressing their salvation and their eternal reward, and this is not given to you to do, it has been earned by our Lord, Yeshua.

What gets forgotten is when we are being persecuted we are to BE INNOCENT OF WRONG DOING. You can not claim persecution if you are doing the same thing,that you are charging others of.

 

[JaumeJ]

I believe Yeshua, Jesus. I do not wish to out suffer anyone here, but I have learned by experience what He teaches on suffering and tribulation.

Read just how much Yeshua bothered to teach us on the subject, and then continue on into the Epistles. Do this, learn of the Master in lieu of telling others they have or have not had these experiences for the name of our Lord, Yeshua. You will benefit from His Word. His Blood cleanses us from all guilt of sin, amen.

Remember you are addressing their salvation and their eternal reward, and this is not given to you to do, it has been earned by our Lord, Yeshua. The heavy irony in this is, He earned what was already His.

What gets forgotten is when we are being persecuted we are to BE INNOCENT OF WRONG DOING. You can not claim persecution if you are doing the same thing,that you are charging others of.

 

[zone]

My displeasure in the beginning was because that person spun this whole thread out of control. There was no need for that. I was wanting people to open up and discuss this. If real discussion had been allowed, maybe we could've gotten somewhere, come up with a consensus. That didn't happen, for obvious reasons.

When I first posted, I said plainly........ THEM. It was never pointed at one person. It's not my fault that person showed up and made it personal. She did that all by herself. That's when this thread skidded off the road. I wasn't the one driving when it happened.

One person told me earlier that if I didn't like it, I could leave the forum. Imagine that, a suggestion to leave my own thread!

I ended up with nine pages of crap. I can't blame anybody for not wanting to come in here and discuss the original subject. Just close the thread. It's just going to be more of it anyway.

liar and coward.
it was about me, and "them" people YOU THINK have some secret allegience to me.

the original subject was WHO FEELS INSULTED BY ZONE'S continual exposing of the faults of their doctrine.

gutless.

 

[SarahM777]

oh yes...the judaizers.
they have their own reasons for despising me.

so religious.

millions of posts claiming to be led by the Spirit (which others lack - oh yes!) - no exegesis, no Bible. just a lot of religious speech sounding so Jewish....throw in some Hebrew and there's your authority.

you know...i see next to NO understanding on the texts either in letter or Spirit.
just opinions and contrived benedictions (clearly meant for the special few, since it's this popular CODE-speak)

and once again, blessing with the right hand and cursing with the left.

no straight-forward convictions.
NO BIBLICAL WORK WHATSOEVER.

pretending a single forum internet site is expected to have only the True Followers of the Mashiach - evidenced by.....what?

"Sacred Names"?

testimonies?

opinions?

its' getting RIDICULOUS.

Zone,

The sad part of all of this,if these same people were to try to witness to the groups I do,they would be pegged in less then a month. They would be calling them out as fakes,frauds and phonies. Their not fooled by the fake and they have seen way to much of it. They can spot a fake a mile away. Many of them would have their heads handed to them on a silver platter. Those people have very little love for true Christians,but even less for fake Christians,and if one really wants to see how they stack up,talk to those groups and see how long one lasts.

 

[SarahM777]

I believe Yeshua, Jesus. I do not wish to out suffer anyone here, but I have learned by experience what He teaches on suffering and tribulation.

Read just how much Yeshua bothered to teach us on the subject, and then continue on into the Epistles. Do this, learn of the Master in lieu of telling others they have or have not had these experiences for the name of our Lord, Yeshua. You will benefit from His Word. His Blood cleanses us from all guilt of sin, amen.

Remember you are addressing their salvation and their eternal reward, and this is not given to you to do, it has been earned by our Lord, Yeshua.

Jamie,

Do you not get what I am saying? For some reason it seems like you are off on a tangent and not addressing the points I am making.

 

[zone]

I believe Yeshua, Jesus. I do not wish to out suffer anyone here, but I have learned by experience what He teaches on suffering and tribulation.

Read just how much Yeshua bothered to teach us on the subject, and then continue on into the Epistles. Do this, learn of the Master in lieu of telling others they have or have not had these experiences for the name of our Lord, Yeshua. You will benefit from His Word. His Blood cleanses us from all guilt of sin, amen.

Remember you are addressing their salvation and their eternal reward, and this is not given to you to do, it has been earned by our Lord, Yeshua.

oh thou hypocrite.

forthcoming later - some of Jack's posts addressing others' salvation and their eternal reward (outright claims they don't have it...other's hinting at it....CONTINUALLY), which he believes he is able to do because he uses religious speeches.

is this what we plan to do?
cuz let's get these posts right up here on this thread.

let's see who is doing what you claim...HINT - you're on the list.

oh this is so fruitful..

what a GREAT IDEA.

what else is there to do since the whining faction NEVER gets around to Bible.
just speeches....with what they THINK or Hebrew things.

oh fun. oh productive.

let's see.....who else should i call out.

oh...i know!
I'LL MAKE A LIST

 

[zone]

Zone,

The sad part of all of this,if these same people were to try to witness to the groups I do,they would be pegged in less then a month. They would be calling them out as fakes,frauds and phonies. Their not fooled by the fake and they have seen way to much of it. They can spot a fake a mile away. Many of them would have their heads handed to them on a silver platter. Those people have very little love for true Christians,but even less for fake Christians,and if one really wants to see how they stack up,talk to those groups and see how long one lasts.

THEY DON'T LIKE CHRISTIANS.
Constantine created a new religion.

and christians dont keep the festivals or perform rituals
they actually think Jesus destroyed much of the Father.

GOOD FRUIT?
OH YUMMY

 

[SarahM777]

I believe Yeshua, Jesus. I do not wish to out suffer anyone here, but I have learned by experience what He teaches on suffering and tribulation.

Read just how much Yeshua bothered to teach us on the subject, and then continue on into the Epistles. Do this, learn of the Master in lieu of telling others they have or have not had these experiences for the name of our Lord, Yeshua. You will benefit from His Word. His Blood cleanses us from all guilt of sin, amen.

Remember you are addressing their salvation and their eternal reward, and this is not given to you to do, it has been earned by our Lord, Yeshua. The heavy irony in this is, He earned what was already His.

Sorry Jamie,

I am addressing his behavior,not his salvation. Only God can judge that. What I am addressing is that he continues to claim innocence of doing the very same thing he is railing against. How hard is that to understand?

 

[JaumeJ]

Zone, I do not like naming names but this time I must, Zone, why are you so interested in me, personally? You call using the Word "religious" speeches. Now is this not putting your hand in hellfire? That is not from the Word. I say it because we are instructed to use the Word from the Master and none other.

If what I have to share sounds like a religious speech, perhaps it has something to do with having been sourced from the Word.

Have you reviewed some of your outlandish declarations? "I will not stand for" not to mention your writing on Jews.

Be sure, I mean certain, when you make any lists, you have them verbatim and in strict context. Perhaps you could get some of your friends to help you, and maybe then you could write a book.

oh thou hypocrite.

forthcoming later - some of Jack's posts addressing others' salvation and their eternal reward (outright claims they don't have it...other's hinting at it....CONTINUALLY), which he believes he is able to do because he uses religious speeches.

is this what we plan to do?
cuz let's get these posts right up here on this thread.

let's see who is doing what you claim...HINT - you're on the list.

oh this is so fruitful..

what a GREAT IDEA.

what else is there to do since the whining faction NEVER gets around to Bible.
just speeches....with what they THINK or Hebrew things.

oh fun. oh productive.

let's see.....who else should i call out.

oh...i know!
I'LL MAKE A LIST

 

[SarahM777]

THEY DON'T LIKE CHRISTIANS.
Constantine created a new religion.

and christians dont keep the festivals or perform rituals
they actually think Jesus destroyed much of the Father.

GOOD FRUIT?
OH YUMMY

It wouldn't be so bad but the same ones that think they are producing the good fruit have rotten fruit on their own trees but they refuse to see it. They keep forgetting the plumb line is how Jesus lived and not comparing ourselves to someone else. It's forgotten that we are to forgive as we have been forgiven. But never mind those little itty bitty details,never mind we are to remove the log out of our eye. Etc,etc.

 

[SarahM777]

Zone, I do not like naming names but this time I must, Zone, why are you so interested in me, personally? You call using the Word "religious" speaches. Now is this not putting your hand in hellfire? That is not from the Word. I say it because we are instructed to use the Word from the Master and none other.

If what I have to share sounds like a religious speach, perhaps it has something to do with having been sourced from the Word.

Have you reviewed some of your outlandish declarations? "I will not stand for" not to mention your writing on Jews.

Be sure, I mean certain, when you make any lists, you have them verbatim and in strict context. Perhaps you could get some of your friends to help you, and maybe then you could write a book.

UMM Perhaps it's because you have done the same thing you claim Zone has done and you're not 100% innocent in this matter either?

 

[unclefester]

Tell It Like It Is Lyrics - Aaron Neville - YouTube

 

[SarahM777]

I believe Yeshua, Jesus. I do not wish to out suffer anyone here, but I have learned by experience what He teaches on suffering and tribulation.

Read just how much Yeshua bothered to teach us on the subject, and then continue on into the Epistles. Do this, learn of the Master in lieu of telling others they have or have not had these experiences for the name of our Lord, Yeshua. You will benefit from His Word. His Blood cleanses us from all guilt of sin, amen.

Remember you are addressing their salvation and their eternal reward, and this is not given to you to do, it has been earned by our Lord, Yeshua. The heavy irony in this is, He earned what was already His.

Add one more thing to the mix,since the beginning of this Stephen seems to be on a vendetta,if he would address ALL that are doing it instead of picking on "that group" that is doing it. He never addresses his own groupies that are doing the very same thing,only what he perceives to be that other group that is doing it.

 

[unclefester]

Zone, I do not like naming names but this time I must, Zone, why are you so interested in me, personally?

She's not. You'd like her to be. But Zone doesn't do "pretenders". She hasn't the time for it. And neither do I along with a few others here. The Hebrew Roots Movement folks are pretenders Jack. Only "real" people get to be real Christians. Think on that while you're deciding which Hebrew ritual you're going to perform next (For "God's glory in Christ", of course).

 

[JaumeJ]

Aaron Neville has been one f my favorites for a long,long tme. I love his western style music, but nore, I love his gospel music. Tell It Like it Is is a classic, and I hope he remains well and continues sining. Here is one for you, but it is Duane Eddy... Duane Eddy - Rebel-rouser - YouTube

Tell It Like It Is Lyrics - Aaron Neville - YouTube

 

[JaumeJ]

It is good to know all of her friends are at such a level they are able to speak not only with her but for her. Of course this has been obvious for such a long time now. You and certain others do chime in for her like good little cohorts whenever it gives you pleasure.

Tell me, do any of you actually read the Word and pass on what Yeshua teaches or is it only what your group agrees on. I can tell you right now, I believe Yeshua, and I always try to apply His teaching in these threads until it is made personal, such as your song suggestions and your knowing the mind of your friend, Zone so well you may answer for her.

Knowing the mind of Yeshua is our goal here, not to know the approach of a person who has some kind of need to control others. Now get with the forum, it is Bible discussion in fellowship, we are not here to display our prowess at putting others out.

She's not. You'd like her to be. But Zone doesn't do "pretenders". She hasn't the time for it. And neither do I along with a few others here. The Hebrew Roots Movement folks are pretenders Jack. Only "real" people get to be real Christians. Think on that while you're deciding which Hebrew ritual you're going to perform next (For "God's glory in Christ", of course).

 

[JaumeJ]

Will the Zone group please get back on the OP and stop the personal opnion switches, and character switches. If you need a reminder, it is "Blessed are the Persecuted."

If you want to get on the zone boat, start one for yourselves. AFter all you are the ones who keep bringing up the persons posting in this thread and not the topic.

PS...yes, I mentioned you all, because this is what you all are doing.................or is it wrong to defend myself and others?

 

[SarahM777]

Will the Zone group please get back on the OP and stop the personal opnion switches, and character switches. If you need a reminder, it is "Blessed are the Persecuted."

If you want to get on the zone boat, start one for yourselves. AFter all you are the ones who keep bringing up the persons posting in this thread and not the topic.

Sorry Jamie it's not off topic when the OP does the very same thing he is speaking of in the thread,but you continue to ignore that fact,and you refuse to address it. Again is he not also being a persecuter by his own definition? Which is at the heart of this thread.

 

[JaumeJ]

You are going to have to rise above all of this and remain on topic. It is ridiculous to any visitors or members coming to see the topic discussed. Start your own thread, and do not lose this one, even if you have a bone to pick with someone...It is easier to have a discussion of your own. I know you are intelligent to do it and do it well. Or do you need others to help you in your resolve? Of course not!

 

[SarahM777]

You are going to have to rise above all of this and remain on topic. It is ridiculous to any visitors or members coming to see the topic discussed. Start your own thread, and do not lose this one, even if you have a bone to pick with someone...It is easier to have a discussion of your own. I know you are intelligent to do it and do it well. Or do you need others to help you in your resolve? Of course not!

I am remaining on topic. It's his double standards that also need to be looked at. And it's ridiculous of you to continue to keep ignoring it,when the OP starts a thread about the insults,does the same and feigns innocence and boasts about his innocence within that same thread. And you still refuse to deal with the fact it is also done by your groupies.

And you can quit asking me to do so as it's not going to happen.