The Jezebel Spirit

[1still_waters]

What matters most is what John said. After all, you wrote that last night and this morning.

I'm a pastor. I preach. That makes me a preacher. I teach. That makes me a teacher. Whether or not I'm great at it is beside the point. I am what I do. If John declares this Jezebel is teaching the people, then she's teaching. You can't get any plainer than that.
BTW, this was Jesus as King of kings and Lord of lords telling John that. That pretty much nails it.

She's teaching them based on what she claims to be directly hearing from God as office of a prophetess.

John inspired by the Holy Spirit even claims she referred to herself as a prophetess, ie one claiming to hear directly from God as the source of her teaching.

She didn't claim just to be a teacher.
She claimed to be a prophetess.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,

If she claimed to be a teacher, then John would have said..

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a teacher.


There is a difference between a teacher who teaches from scripture, and a teacher who teaches the stuff they claim God is declaring to them from office of prophetess.

Therefore John IS indeed showing us that the Jezebel types will be doing more than claiming to have the right understanding of what is already revealed. They' claim to hold the office of someone speaking directly for God verbatim.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,

 

[Stephen63]

There's another thing to notice, Stilly. You cannot use the biblical terminology of the office a prophet and teacher here for three reasons:

• You can be both at same time.
• She is working for Satan..... Do you expect her to follow biblical guidelines? Satan never follows God's order....... he does his own thing. After all, he is a rebel.
• John said she called herself a prophetess....... that by no means makes her one.

 

[1still_waters]

Yet does not God communicate with us directly today? where we each that believe not sent the Holy Spirit of promise to teach us the deep things of God? God is to be our direct teacher yes? Hebrews 8 is where this is found, God will be our teacher, not man
Hebrews 1

New King James Version (NKJV)



God’s Supreme Revelation

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, [SUP]2 [/SUP]has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; [SUP]3 [/SUP]who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, [SUP]4 [/SUP]having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.



Hebrews 8:10-12

New King James Version (NKJV)



[SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. [SUP]11[/SUP]None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

Again you're trying to blur lines.

 

[SarahM777]

do we have a suspect yet?

Would it be a surprise?

 

[1still_waters]

There's another thing to notice, Stilly. You cannot use the biblical terminology of the office a prophet and teacher here for three reasons:

• You can be both at same time.
• She is working for Satan..... Do you expect her to follow biblical guidelines? Satan never follows God's order....... he does his own thing. After all, he is a rebel.
• John said she called herself a prophetess....... that by no means makes her one.

But it does indicate that Jezebel types will claim the office of prophet.

 

[Stephen63]

Stilly, why are you so bent on this? What difference does it make? she's a prophet, a teacher, a seducer, and who knows what else.

 

[RickShafer]

Ok so John just threw the word prophetess in there as word filler.

It really should read..

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a teacher.


It shouldn't read

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,

Or it could read both ways I suppose seeing both words are interchangable and John didn't use that word for a specific reason

Who listens to a false teacher??????(O.K.,......strike that)
It is soooooo much more exciting to follow a false prophet. - (Remember that idiot who had a pair of horns made?)
To show the king of Samaria that "thus will you devour your foes"?
Everyone liked it,.....except Jeremiah, who spoke the truth.
(No one wanted to hear that).
- I think they might have even put Jeremiah in jail for saying it.
- - People like false divination. To God,......a whore would be someone saying that - (false divination).

 

[homwardbound]

There are people that have what you could call a "Jezebel Spirit".....They hate being told no, they are highly manipulative, and they engage in things like stillwaters suggested.....it's a good thing to be able to understand and identify it when you observe it. People under the influence of that particular spirit are very crafty and dangerous....especially for young men.

is not all unredeemed flesh and blood this way? unless maybe one has reckoned it dead and continues in self death as Paul did daily, then maybe we in self at least can be rid of the Jezebel Spirit of self want.
Just food for thought
[h=3]Romans 6:11[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)


[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

And being dead to sin is no different that being dead to unredeemed flesh, since all sin:

[h=3]Romans 8:3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,

 

[1still_waters]

I'm sorry that people who claim to be prophets could be on the suspect list for having a Jezebel spirit.
But that's clearly what John shows us.
Please don't let your religious tradition stop you from seeing what John shows us.

This Jezebel person claimed to be a prophetess, thus it follows that modern day Jezebels may also claim to be prophets too.

Again, I apologize that that type of person is now on the potential perp list, but its in scripture plain as day.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,

 

[Abiding]

Stilly, why are you so bent on this? What difference does it make? she's a prophet, a teacher, a seducer, and who knows what else.

Awww now im getting it she could be about anything. And if she undermines the "authority"
of a pastor then shes a Jezebel....am i getting warm?

 

[RickShafer]

I'm sorry that people who claim to be prophets could be on the suspect list for having a Jezebel spirit.
But that's clearly what John shows us.
Please don't let your religious tradition stop you from seeing what John shows us.

This Jezebel person claimed to be a prophetess, thus it follows that modern day Jezebels may also claim to be prophets too.

Again, I apologize that that type of person is now on the potential perp list, but its in scripture plain as day.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,

Not at all.
It's the Spirit which gives life, the flesh profits nothing.
So the Spirit gives life when and to who?
Before the completion of the canon? Where does that leave the Great Comforter then? (John 17)

 

[damombomb]

11 [SUP]1-5 [/SUP]King Solomon was obsessed with women. Pharaoh’s daughter was only the first of the many foreign women he loved—Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian, and Hittite. He took them from the surrounding pagan nations of which God had clearly warned Israel, “You must not marry them; they’ll seduce you into infatuations with their gods.” Solomon fell in love with them anyway, refusing to give them up. He had seven hundred royal wives and three hundred concubines—a thousand women in all! And they did seduce him away from God. As Solomon grew older, his wives beguiled him with their alien gods and he became unfaithful—he didn’t stay true to his God as his father David had done. Solomon took up with Ashtoreth, the whore goddess of the Sidonians, and Molech, the horrible god of the Ammonites.

 

[Stephen63]

Revelation 2:20 (KJV)
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

SEDUCE:

Greek Word: πλανάω
Transliteration: planaō
Phonetic Pronunciation:

plan-ah'-o
Root: from <G4106>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 6:228,857
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: Deceit, Deceitful, Deceitfully, Deceitfulness, Deceive, Deceivableness, Err, Lead, Led, Seduce, Seducing, Wander

Usage Notes:

English Words used in KJV:
deceive 24
err 6
go astray 5
seduce 2
wander 1
be out of the way 1
[Total Count: 39]

from <G4106> (plane); to (properly cause to) roam (from safety, truth, or virtue) :- go astray, deceive, err, seduce, wander, be out of the way.

Rick,'ole boy, you were right. You nailed it.

 

[Abiding]

I agree with a lot of that.

Would you agree that those that undermine pastoral authority with their own would be considered a false prophet? When you read the epistles, this is happening all the time, especially to Paul.

What authority did anyone have over Paul? What is pastoral authority?
can you give an example of you pastoral authority and how others could undermine it.
Like here at cc for example. Then i can see a jezebel

 

[1still_waters]

Stilly, why are you so bent on this? What difference does it make? she's a prophet, a teacher, a seducer, and who knows what else.

I'm making such a big deal, because an inspired apostle, and writer of scripture had a perp list of sorts so that church could see who had a so called Jezebel spirit.

One thing on that perp list was someone who claimed the office of prophetess.
They didn't claim the office of pastor, teacher, apostle, whatever.
They claimed the office of prophetess, and John the inspired apostle and author distinctly pointed that out for a reason.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess


It's a clear indicator that other Jezebels will claim the office of prophetess/prophet just like she did.

Why are people so defensive about it being pointed out that a Jezebel type claimed the office of prophet?

 

[homwardbound]

stilledwater:

Where in Scipture, in the Old Testament, in Kings, does Jezebel claim to be speaking for God?
Where in Scripture, in the Old Testament, in Kings, does Jesebel teach and deceive people to commit sexual immorality?
and, do the same questioning for 3,4,5.

I think the Jezebel Spirit, if you want to label it that, is simply a part of the principalities and powers fold that Satan uses to discourage us from doing the Lord's work in our life, just like was noted in an earlier post of mine, referring to Elijah in the cave, telling God he was ready to die and couldn't take it anymore. God then brought an angel with honeycake and water and a message to Elijah. God doesn't give up on us , and, becomes even more prevalent (visionary?) in our life when we are at our wits end AND in the process of doing His work for us, which is exactly what Elijah was doing

Stilledwater, stephenspeaks, I see what is being said of Revelation and church of Thyatira but I don't think, truly, that it relates to the characteristics and attributes of the true Jezebel of the bible and this is the person that we should understand can become a demonic spirit TYPE putting us into bondage thinking in our life.

We are to tell these spirits that are attacking us and debriding our faith in Him, trying, anyway, to get behind us and get away from us and we do this 'in the name of Jesus' as I believe. They may deceive us too, as stephenspeaks says, with 'flattery' or what else words said, but we are to ask them if they believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and if they do not answer, we are to rebuke them, using 'in the name of Jesus,' just as 1 John 4 tells us to do. This is 'faith,' this is following His Word, and, it will work with any spirit that wants to deceive us, put fear into us, attack our faith, including a spirit with the persona of the bible's Jezebel .

tell me, does flesh and blood period all of it except Christ have the Jezebel Spirit? Did Christ not die in the flesh for us to join him in that death? So by our self (Jezebel) death with Christ we thus are what
[h=3]Colossians 1:22-23[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— [SUP]23 [/SUP]if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

 

[Stephen63]

Can we agree with this consensus:

• JS can claim a prophetic office & exercise the false prophet's position
• JS does teach false doctrine
• JS leads the church astray into spiritual whoredom
• JS has to have a "Ahab" to have authority and dominion, which means someone in a leadership role.

What should we add to that?

 

[RickShafer]

I'm making such a big deal, because an inspired apostle, and writer of scripture had a perp list of sorts so that church could see who had a so called Jezebel spirit.

One thing on that perp list was someone who claimed the office of prophetess.
They didn't claim the office of pastor, teacher, apostle, whatever.
They claimed the office of prophetess, and John the inspired apostle and author distinctly pointed that out for a reason.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess


It's a clear indicator that other Jezebels will claim the office of prophetess/prophet just like she did.

Why are people so defensive about it being pointed out that a Jezebel type claimed the office of prophet?

It was Jesus, not John.
Jesus pointed out a false prophet.
Does that make all prophets false?
Was the very scribe He used not a prophet?
Now you will say, - "yes, because he was one of the apostles".
Or - "Yes, because he wrote part of the canon."
So all inspiration stops there.

 

[homwardbound]

I personally do not like to use the term Jezebel spirit, but so far it's the only one that everyone can seemingly relate to. I wish there was a better term. I think the term itself is confusing. Perhaps the spirit of narcissism should be used. That one makes more sense to me. The two I believe are one and the same. Narcissism I believe is a spiritual problem, for the simple fact is there's no medicine to treat it.

Flesh maybe?

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
Romans 8:1 [ Free from Indwelling Sin ] There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Romans 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
Romans 8:8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

So since no flesh will ever please God, flesh and Jezebel Spirit might be one of the same yes?
We are called to be born again of the Spirit of God right? if Born again and not working in salvation of self effort then Jezebel Spirit is dead right?

 

[1still_waters]

It was Jesus, not John.
Jesus pointed out a false prophet.
Does that make all prophets false?
Was the very scribe He used not a prophet?
Now you will say, - "yes, because he was one of the apostles".
Or - "Yes, because he wrote part of the canon."
So all inspiration stops there.

Good point
It's Jesus himself making the distinct observation that the Jezebel type claimed the office of prophetess.
Even MORE reason to pay attention to the distinct words used and not try to blur lines between offices.