The Jezebel Spirit
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Actually upon further review I don't agree.
I think John's/Jesus/Holy Spirit/God/ie whoever ya wanna give cred to.
I think since they link Jezebel to someone claiming prophetic office....I think that acts as a determinative clarifier of how these types WILL work in the church as a whole....Meaning the JS types WILL claim the distinct office of prophet/prophetess. We can't ignore this NT clarifier.
I think John's/Jesus/Holy Spirit/God/ie whoever ya wanna give cred to.
I think since they link Jezebel to someone claiming prophetic office....I think that acts as a determinative clarifier of how these types WILL work in the church as a whole....Meaning the JS types WILL claim the distinct office of prophet/prophetess. We can't ignore this NT clarifier.
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Also, the ONLY inspired revelation of how a Jezebel type will operate within the church is found in Revelation 2.
There are NO OTHER inspired revelations of how the Jezebel type will act within the church.
So since the ONLY inspired revelation shows the Jezebel type as claiming the office of prophetess/prophet, I think it's only right to expect Jezebel types in the church to also claim the office of prophetess/prophet.
We simply have no other inspired examples to go off of of how it operates within the context of the church
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess
There are NO OTHER inspired revelations of how the Jezebel type will act within the church.
So since the ONLY inspired revelation shows the Jezebel type as claiming the office of prophetess/prophet, I think it's only right to expect Jezebel types in the church to also claim the office of prophetess/prophet.
We simply have no other inspired examples to go off of of how it operates within the context of the church
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess
I'm sorry, perhaps you didn't read the op.
I do believe you're the first to come in here and use a nasty remark. Everyone else has been very nice so far. I suggest you follow their example.
So far, we almost have a consensus. How's this one, Stilly?
JS claims a prophetic office & exercises the false prophet's position. This office of prophet is determined by what we previously read in the Bible dictionaries.
JS does teach false doctrine
JS leads the church astray into spiritual whoredom
JS has to have an "Ahab" to have authority and dominion, which means someone in a leadership role to use them.
I do believe you're the first to come in here and use a nasty remark. Everyone else has been very nice so far. I suggest you follow their example.
So far, we almost have a consensus. How's this one, Stilly?
JS claims a prophetic office & exercises the false prophet's position. This office of prophet is determined by what we previously read in the Bible dictionaries.
JS does teach false doctrine
JS leads the church astray into spiritual whoredom
JS has to have an "Ahab" to have authority and dominion, which means someone in a leadership role to use them.
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I also think my interpretation takes on extra validity for those who interpet the seven revelation churches as mirrors for the current/future church.
If those churches are mirrors of present realities, then the precise reflection demands that Jezebel types be those who claim the office of prophet/prophetess.
If those churches are mirrors of present realities, then the precise reflection demands that Jezebel types be those who claim the office of prophet/prophetess.
- JS claims a prophetic office & exercises the false prophet's position. This office of prophet is determined by what we previously read in the Bible dictionaries.
- JS does teach false doctrine
- JS leads the church astray into spiritual whoredom
- JS has to have an "Ahab" to have authority and dominion, which means someone in a leadership role.
no sir, not at all, truth is truth, it states this also that the true tabernacle is in Heaven, not here on earth, Hebrews 8:1-4
Jesus prior to going to the cross stopped Peter, his flesh to stop the person from taking Jesus away. And restored the mans' ear, telling Peter clearly, that his Kingdom is not of this earth. And here we are with earthly Kingdoms, not the one that is in Heaven. This one claiming they are right and the other claiming they are wrong, yet both are preaching Christ, having divisions. Do you or anyone really think God is elated over this, when we all are baptized into one God,. by one Spirit and are having divisions.
No flesh in God's sight pleases God, do you agree? So was and is a J.S. of Flesh the spirit if error or not?
Sorry you are splitting hairs straining out a gnat, please be careful that we do not swallow a camel as the Pharisees did in Christ's day
Thanks all in God's love to you
And God does not speak to us by Prophet's anymore as did in the\ first Testament already posted Hebrews 1
Jesus prior to going to the cross stopped Peter, his flesh to stop the person from taking Jesus away. And restored the mans' ear, telling Peter clearly, that his Kingdom is not of this earth. And here we are with earthly Kingdoms, not the one that is in Heaven. This one claiming they are right and the other claiming they are wrong, yet both are preaching Christ, having divisions. Do you or anyone really think God is elated over this, when we all are baptized into one God,. by one Spirit and are having divisions.
No flesh in God's sight pleases God, do you agree? So was and is a J.S. of Flesh the spirit if error or not?
Sorry you are splitting hairs straining out a gnat, please be careful that we do not swallow a camel as the Pharisees did in Christ's day
Thanks all in God's love to you
And God does not speak to us by Prophet's anymore as did in the\ first Testament already posted Hebrews 1
Hebrews 1:2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
Continuing while we wait..........
Just to make things more complicated, the original insights or “words of wisdom” that such people parade usually contain more than an element of truth. At some point, however, vital boundaries are overstepped, and both hearing and actions become mixed with the soul and therefore corrupted. Believing themselves to be spiritually superior to others, they are reluctant to admit to the possibility of being in sin and deception. Demanding blind obedience from others, such people have a great aversion to being reasoned with or questioned. Eventually, these individuals become unteachable and unyielding.’ ‘Jezebel spirits’ seduce others to their cause by flattering promises of how greatly the Lord will use them. Once these people express the required level of loyalty, however, Jezebel does an about face. Like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, Jezebel starts by telling people about the remarkable spiritual gift that they alone can develop. But then they scold them in a carefully controlled ploy that is designed to keep followers dependent on them and trapped in a low self-esteem from which only they can rescue them. (2 Peter 2:1-3, cf John 5:44) This toxic cycle eats away a person’s self worth and leaves naive young believers prone to fear, and doubting that God speaks to anyone. Once these people achieve the recognition and position that they crave, they initially respond with false humility. This misleading meekness is short-lived. That false humility is actually a mask for deeply rooted pride and presumption. Jezebel feels particularly threatened by gifted prophetic people, seeing them as a threat to their zone of control.
Just to make things more complicated, the original insights or “words of wisdom” that such people parade usually contain more than an element of truth. At some point, however, vital boundaries are overstepped, and both hearing and actions become mixed with the soul and therefore corrupted. Believing themselves to be spiritually superior to others, they are reluctant to admit to the possibility of being in sin and deception. Demanding blind obedience from others, such people have a great aversion to being reasoned with or questioned. Eventually, these individuals become unteachable and unyielding.’ ‘Jezebel spirits’ seduce others to their cause by flattering promises of how greatly the Lord will use them. Once these people express the required level of loyalty, however, Jezebel does an about face. Like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, Jezebel starts by telling people about the remarkable spiritual gift that they alone can develop. But then they scold them in a carefully controlled ploy that is designed to keep followers dependent on them and trapped in a low self-esteem from which only they can rescue them. (2 Peter 2:1-3, cf John 5:44) This toxic cycle eats away a person’s self worth and leaves naive young believers prone to fear, and doubting that God speaks to anyone. Once these people achieve the recognition and position that they crave, they initially respond with false humility. This misleading meekness is short-lived. That false humility is actually a mask for deeply rooted pride and presumption. Jezebel feels particularly threatened by gifted prophetic people, seeing them as a threat to their zone of control.
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Kinda confused.
In reply to this...
You wrote...
Are you trying to say that since we're in the last days we rely only on what Jesus has revealed to us in his word, and since we're in the last days and God communcated through Jesus, there is no longer a need for modern day prophets in "these last days"?
In reply to this...
You wrote...
Are you trying to say that since we're in the last days we rely only on what Jesus has revealed to us in his word, and since we're in the last days and God communcated through Jesus, there is no longer a need for modern day prophets in "these last days"?
Well, a prophet speaks of the future.
The original Jezebel led Ahab and the Northern Kingdom into destruction.
So....it isn't fair to say ALL prophets are false.
No more prophets, no more teaching, no more gifts of anything else.
Seems funny to me.....seeing as Satan has his prophets of doom.
I would think the church would be fairly easily dispatched with, back when people killed christians for the state.
- With Satan being able to move his armies against a church devoid of all gifts.
- - Kind of like shooting a caged chicken,.......or fish in a barrel.
The Comforter was given to alert and keep safe the church.
The original Jezebel led Ahab and the Northern Kingdom into destruction.
So....it isn't fair to say ALL prophets are false.
No more prophets, no more teaching, no more gifts of anything else.
Seems funny to me.....seeing as Satan has his prophets of doom.
I would think the church would be fairly easily dispatched with, back when people killed christians for the state.
- With Satan being able to move his armies against a church devoid of all gifts.
- - Kind of like shooting a caged chicken,.......or fish in a barrel.
The Comforter was given to alert and keep safe the church.
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