The Jezebel Spirit

1still_waters · Jul 17, 2013

Floatin out there on your own.
Here is the link again showing many resources that link the two.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/69030-jezebel-spirit-3.html#post1114783

I know that linking the two puts prophets on the perp list of potential JS, and that probably flies in the face of what some religious teachings show, but sometimes we have to get rid of these denominational type religious teachings and rely on scripture.

Stephen63 · Jul 17, 2013

And...... who will decide who's going to do that? Who in their authority can/will judge it? It's obviously not me. I have no such authority at all. Everyone knows that, including me. So who will appoint themself? No one has to say they are. They just do it.

RachelBibleStudent · Jul 17, 2013

ok now i am convinced by 1still_waters' argument about the distinction between teacher and prophet...so 'jezebel' does not just teach falsely...she has to claim to have the spiritual gift of prophecy...

under that heading i am going to include those who do not claim the title of 'prophet' in so many words...but who by their actions do practically the same thing...such as people who claim doctrinal infallibility or mystical revelation...

Stephen63 · Jul 17, 2013

Continuing.......

When the Balloon goes up

Typically, it is when Jezebel’s position in the church or organisation begins to weaken that they set out to discredit the pastor. A typical tactic is to claim that the pastor is ‘not as kind or as spiritual as he once was’ while Jezebel remains “just as concerned for the people as ever”. This, of course, is a tactic that reminds me of Absalom’s duplicity in rousing the people against King David. See 2 Samuel 15:1-6. At this point, when they are unable to be ‘number one’ Jezebel frequently begins to start making accusations, using a subtle mixture of truth and lies. There is a great danger of getting sucked into this argument, and replying in kind with counter accusations. This never works. Charges and confrontations must be restricted to the purely factual. Because this is such an emotionally wearing experience, Jackson highlights how important it is for pastors not to react to the pressure by becoming suspicious or contentious themselves in return.

Stephen63 · Jul 17, 2013

RachelBibleStudent said:

ok now i am convinced by 1still_waters' argument about the distinction between teacher and prophet...so 'jezebel' does not just teach falsely...she has to claim to have the spiritual gift of prophecy...

under that heading i am going to include those who do not claim the title of 'prophet' in so many words...but who by their actions do practically the same thing...such as people who claim doctrinal infallibility or mystical revelation...

Do they have to claim it? Or just act like they do?

RachelBibleStudent · Jul 17, 2013

Stephen63 said:

i think the first one should be changed to 'jezebel falsely claims the prophetic office and/or falsely exercises the prophetic role'...that incorporates 1still_waters' point and also my point about how a person can presume to exercise the role of a prophet without actually claiming the title in so many words...

the second one is ok but more specific detail is needed...i think determining the specific false doctrine taught by jezebel should be the most productive next step for this thread...

the third one i am not sure about...who says jezebel's sexual immorality in revelation was not literal?

the fourth one is not supported by the text in revelation...

RickShafer · Jul 17, 2013

RachelBibleStudent said:

Surprise , surprise!
- So those that give a prophecy in a meeting are eternally damned is what you are saying.
- - You might want to ACTUALLY search the scriptures before you make such a statement.

RachelBibleStudent · Jul 17, 2013

Stephen63 said:

i would say at the very least they would have to make the basic prophetic claim of 'God revealed this to me' or 'God gave me the authority to determine this'

RachelBibleStudent · Jul 17, 2013

RickShafer said:

i don't see where i said anything even remotely approaching the statement that you are attributing to me...

Stephen63 · Jul 17, 2013

RachelBibleStudent said:

Stephen63 said:

>>>>>bump<<<<<

Stephen63 · Jul 17, 2013

Got to go for today.....bye!

RachelBibleStudent · Jul 17, 2013

i don't think the word study you posted necessarily makes the fornication taught by jezebel non literal...it could be that she was deceiving the church into thinking that literal sexual immorality was ok...there were actually some ancient 'christian' cults that taught that very thing...

RickShafer · Jul 17, 2013

RachelBibleStudent said:

Sounds like someone who says - "Thus saith the Lord" . - (Does God claim possible doctrinal fallibility?)
- Would He say - "well, this may be wrong but...."?

RachelBibleStudent · Jul 17, 2013

RickShafer said:

oy...do you just enjoy twisting people's words for no reason?

read the rest of this thread...it should be perfectly clear what i was talking about...

danschance · Jul 17, 2013

It is a fact that the bible mentions demons and it is a fact that demons have names. Jezebel is a common demonic encounter in deliverance circles. Look at the number of books and articles on this and you have to wonder if it is real or a huge conspiracy.

I ran into this demon one time. When I was going thru deliverance, I met others who also were trying to get free of the demonic. I was chatting online with a lady. She was showing me a picture of her daughter. This lady also had multiple personality disorder due to the extreme abuse she suffered as a child. (MPD is common in those who have a demonic issue)

Her daughter was taken away from her by her ex husband. As you can imagine she had a great deal of pain associated from this. However, as she I was looking at this picture her personality shifted. She went from remorse to condemnation. She began criticizing her daughter whom she loved as looking like "street trash". She said her hair style was horid, she is wearing boots like she is some cow girl. She said her top made her look fat.

I asked who it was that I was speaking to and this personality ignored my question. I asked several times who am I speaking with but she continued to talk her daughter down and criticise her. She even said her negative remarks about her daughter's earrings and necklace.

I called up a different personality who is a "protector". Protector alters (alternate personalities) maintain order amoung the other alters and protect them from outside threats. This protector was named Bill. Also alters see each other as distinct persons complete with different physical appearances.

Here is a short video of a women who produces drawings of her alters. Notice how one is a male and that he protects.
[video=youtube;SMFLUfIqUcM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMFLUfIqUcM[/video]

I asked Bill who this was and he said he never saw her before. He described her as being beautiful well dressed woman and she seemed to be afraid of me. Then this female alter blurted out, "What do you want with me German". None of her alters ever called me "German". I asked her several more questions but she remained evasive. Then I assumed it was a demon, because demons can pretend to be alters.

I typed on my screen "I remove all of your masks, costumes and make up, in Jesus name." Bill said she all of a sudden looked hideously ugly. That was my first encounter with a Jezebel spirit.

homwardbound · Jul 17, 2013

1still_waters said:

Yes, God tells the meaning of what is written, god has fulfilled God's part of us to come to God and be in God by the Spirit of God through the resurrected Christ
[h=3]Hebrews 1:1-2[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]God’s Supreme Revelation[/h]1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

[h=3]Romans 5:10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

You see that saved by the life not by the death, Christ not only died for us as the ransom, he was also raised for us, so we could live here and now more abundantly, being content in all things, not about any worldly gain.
As Paul was content is all his turmoil's that he incurred, knowing all things work somehow out for the better when it looks bad.

God today does not go to his daughter and say tell my Son this or that.
Just as you would not do that either, you would tell your Son, or Daughter directly what you want them to know
So this Prophetess or Prophets, claiming God said to tell me this or that, or even you is not a Prophet, or Prophetess !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They Profiters, a big difference self gain deceivers, even if telling truth, You will know them if you are born again, for God will tell you, and you will know truth, the truth that sets you free from them. You do not have to tell them you know, we are just called to be wise as a serpent and harmless as doves, loving all, knowing it is the Love of God that turns one to repentance

Any way, no Prophet's to lead here today after the cross. Christ is our way, truth and life. The enemy to day has and is come as an angel of light to possibly even fool the elect, thanks to God though that God is Faithful, and we are sealed with the hidden man of our new heart that God placed n us the day we first believed Eph. 1:13 good to read from Eph. 1:1-14 to keep in context
Thanks for listening and believing God to sort this out since you asked God, God will show you

homwardbound · Jul 17, 2013

RickShafer said:

Yep, that's a fact Jack

Hebrews 8:11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.

homwardbound · Jul 17, 2013

1still_waters said:

2 Timothy 3:1 [ Perilous Times and Perilous Men ] But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:

That is one Description at the letter of what is written, and yet a JS, is no different than one or more that are of self.

GreenNnice · Jul 17, 2013

1still_waters said:

I don't think it's symbolic, I think Jezebel is a real live woman who went to the church of Thyatira, much like the man who went to the 1 Corinthians 5 church and the church members turned a blind eye to this man's sexual immoraility done with his father's wife , which is this young man's stepmom.

Just like in church of Ephesus, the message revealed in Revelation 2 , to the 7 churches, is agenda specific to each church and telling past things of the church that were wrong like one church was lukewarm, one needs to show love more, etc. These are concrete churches of the New Testament and this woman, Jezebel, was in the church of Thyatira that was addressed via John's message from Christ.

The Jezebel in the Thyatira church is bad, granted, but NOT like the Jezebel wife killer, murderer of the Old Testament, not even close. The Jezebel in Old Testament killed hundreds of God's prophets. Granted, sexual immorality is bad but, hey, we all fail, still, we are said to not do this 'game' or we will suffer greatly 'until they repent.'

Of course, this 'Jezebel woman' can repent too, but, I liken her, as I referenced already, to Pharoah, she has a hard heart and will not choose God, or, else, God will not 'strike her children dead.'

Jezebel of New Testament description from Revelation 2 :

Jezebel of 1 Kingshas these words speaking of that Jezebel, 'killing the Lord's prophets.'

I think, the difference in the two Jezebels is obvious. One "killing" and one "misleads."

homwardbound · Jul 17, 2013

damombomb said:

this would usually be behind closed doors, not as brave as they were in the Cor. Gathering, the one's with shaven heads from above the Gathering place, that was a Brothel, and the cor. were deceived in the fact that they were forgiven and truth this is, except this was used for an occasion for the flesh, for self-gain, eating all the food, drinking all the wine, getting drunk, having fornication, and not caring about harming others, since they were forgiven, why not.
Well Paul got that straightened out in the first let to them, and they came to Godly sorrow over a worldly one, in 2 cor. 7
And this world has taken on much gloss ever since in denying the power of the cross where new life is received after one is willing to be dead to self with Christ at the cross. Then the heart transplant, the hidden man of our heart is revealed and we follow by the Holy Spirit (the hidden man) not the flesh any more, where the JS resides

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