Queen Elizabeth II gives assent to gay marriage in England and Wales

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and isn't it a great thing that Great Britain has enacted marriage equality?
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warning you right now, man: you ask that question on a Christian site, and you're going to get a Christian answer.
 
santuzza said:
The news is at the end of this piece of fluff -- methinks they are trying to hide it...

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So much for being "defender of the faith!"
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It is totally unfair to point finger at Her Majesty. It is clear you have no idea about British law making or how the constitution works, or the rules regarding the Royal Family involvement in politics.

What you are reading about is nothing more than formality and tradition which dates back to when the monarchy relinquished power to Parliament. Laws still have to be formally approved by the Monarch, which is known as Royal Assent, in order to become law, although technically the Monarch could refuse to sign and give Royal Assent, this would cause all kinds of political bedlam and would bring the wrath of parliament down on the monarch which would also be backed by the courts, we would see the Monarchy destroyed.

The Monarchy are not allowed to be political and must not show any kind of political bias towards any parties or the policies they propose, so this Royal Assent is nothing more than a rubber stamp of a legal tradition that is still required, one that has worked well enough for hundreds of years.

One advantage of this arangement is that the Prime Minister is required to give the Monarch a breifing of events and meets in private with Her Majesty regularly. Her Majesty has taken this role very seriously and she is very much aware of everything that is going on which is effecting the country and Commonwealth she rules over, so she is not going to rock the boat by refusing to sign a bill based on her personal feelings or belief.
 
Elizabeth619 said:
In other words the royal family has no power. It's all tradition. Been that way for years.
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They do not have any say in politics and law making no, but behind closed doors, we have no idea what is said! However, the Queen still holds some power in that she can refuse to give royal assent, but in reality this would only happen in extraordinary constitutional circumstances. The Queen acts on the advice on her ministers, if a Bill has been passed for approval in the Commons and Lords, then it gets automatically signed off, but there is always the possibility that ministers can advise the Queen that she should not sign a Bill.

The Euro Sceptics see this as a ticket to come out of Europe, by forcing the will of the people on the Queen to bend her to the peoples will and refuse to sign EU related Bills.

The last time a monarch refused to give Royal Assent was Queen Anne back in 1708 when on the advice of ministers she repelled the Scottish Militia Bill.
 
But when is it time for the Queen to show a little backbone and defend the faith which she took a solemn oath to protect?

Ronald Reagan once said, "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." When is it time to fight evil? The government and politics are slowly (or maybe not so slowly) eroding Christian values that have been the center of both the British and US governments for centuries. I say it's time to stand up to the moral decline and speak out against it.

The Queen could have made a strong statement by not giving her Royal Assent. Instead, she decided it was better to please the politicians and compromise Christian values.
 
The Queen of England doesn't have the authority to supersede God. Like a lot of people, she just thinks she does.
 
santuzza said:
But when is it time for the Queen to show a little backbone and defend the faith which she took a solemn oath to protect?

Ronald Reagan once said, "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid."
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You mean like those brave men and women working to have equal rights?
 
TracerBullet said:
You mean like those brave men and women working to have equal rights?
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Speaking of equal rights, did you know that left-handed people are considered a minority and are discriminated against everyday yet nothing is done about it?

Im in rare form today, and kinda bored. Forgive me.
 
Yes but the devil has no reason to stir up those he has deceived to accomplish his objectives because of that.

Elizabeth619 said:
Speaking of equal rights, did you know that left-handed people are considered a minority and are discriminated against everyday yet nothing is done about it?

Im in rare form today, and kinda bored. Forgive me.
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AgeofKnowledge said:
Yes but the devil has no reason to stir up those he has deceived on their behalf.
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I am a lefty, and I was reading "facts about left handed people" last night, and the info was hilarious. I just thought I would be obnoxious.
I also believe I am derailing a thread and may need to make another one. But I do believe the Queen is a lefty too.
 
I will forgive the totally ridiculous comments so far as you are all Americans and obviously have no clue about how British Monarchy and Parliament works.
 
AgeofKnowledge said:
The Queen of England doesn't have the authority to supersede God. Like a lot of people, she just thinks she does.
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What on earth gives you that idea

Her majesty has never done anything or said anything to indicate this, infact quite the opposite.
 
AgeofKnowledge said:
The Queen of England doesn't have the authority to supersede God. Like a lot of people, she just thinks she does.
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You are the blind faith incarnate. Honestly, what alternative does she have? It might be a shock to know that the majority of people in the UK aren't christian, nor practicing religious folk. The bottom line is, the world is far too modern to disallow equal rights, and too many people are willing to fight for them.

Churches don't have to marry homosexuals, so I don't see the issue. People are who they are. What harm can 'the gays' do by getting married? What, usurp other people into thinking it's okay, and then those people will become gay? How weak-willed do you think other people are? Honestly, you're either gay, bisexual or straight. There's not much anyone can do about that.

It also might be a shock to know the Queen doesn't make the decisions, government does.
 
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Agricola said:
I will forgive the totally ridiculous comments so far as you are all Americans and obviously have no clue about how British Monarchy and Parliament works.
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Thanks for "forgiving" ridiculous comments, by posting condescending ones about Americans. As far as Americans having "no clue" about the British Monarchy you could be correct. Afterall you do live there we don't, but the condescending comment was kinda uncalled for(and I do apologize for temporarily derailing your thread).
Afterall, we Americans have enough problems with our government. I personally haven't had the time to worry about the British one.

Also, no matter how Earthly governments work that still does not change the Word of God, and what he says about issues.
 
Anyone who has an issue with gay marriage, I have a great idea for them ... don't get married to someone who is the same sex as you.
 
santuzza said:
But when is it time for the Queen to show a little backbone and defend the faith which she took a solemn oath to protect?

Ronald Reagan once said, "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." When is it time to fight evil? The government and politics are slowly (or maybe not so slowly) eroding Christian values that have been the center of both the British and US governments for centuries. I say it's time to stand up to the moral decline and speak out against it.

The Queen could have made a strong statement by not giving her Royal Assent. Instead, she decided it was better to please the politicians and compromise Christian values.
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I am sorry, but this would be unthinkable for the Queen to do, the fact that the last time Royal Assent was declined was over 300 years ago speaks volumes, and that was to prevent Scotland from raising a Militia.

If all her Archbishops and other advisers along with other ministers pleaded for her to do so, then maybe she might, but the church is split over the whole issue of homosexuality, so if her own Archbishops are divided, then she has no right to act in this way.
 
Agricola said:
I am sorry, but this would be unthinkable for the Queen to do, the fact that the last time Royal Assent was declined was over 300 years ago speaks volumes, and that was to prevent Scotland from raising a Militia.

If all her Archbishops and other advisers along with other ministers pleaded for her to do so, then maybe she might, but the church is split over the whole issue of homosexuality, so if her own Archbishops are divided, then she has no right to act in this way.
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She doesn't get a say anyway. People, particularly in England, want equal rights. SO there, they've got it. And they aren't going away.
 
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