Is The Mosaic Law Beneficial For Those Who Have Faith?

[homwardbound]

Romans 3:23 I think this verse is where homwardbound​ is coming from

The Law was put in place to show us this verse Rom. 3:23. to show us our need fro God to be in the control tower as God ahois a Spirit was in Christ and Christ followed all he was told to do and or say. HMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is the same Holy Spirit that he sent to us after he left to go and sit at the right hand of Father at rest.
And we are to rest from our works as God has rested from the foundation of the world

Nobody is seemingly getting this, man flesh just has to do something, God is not that Merciful that God went to the cross and took all the world's sin on himself, in order to present the believer in God through Christ as Holy to Father, so we can have a heart transplant, a Spiritual, that over time in growth in this amazing gift grown by God's grace unto maturity into the Savior, Jesus Christ, where one is grounded and settled and at rest from their works, yet do many more than ever possible in and of the flesh, being in God's Spirit, by the resurrected Christ. No need for a schoolmaster anymore. The Law has thus done its Job, which is what I see the Law dong in you
Thanks

 

[homwardbound]

Exodus 21:33-36 (KJV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And if a man shall open a pit, or if a man shall dig a pit, and not cover it, and an ox or an ass fall therein;
[SUP]34 [/SUP]The owner of the pit shall make it good, and give money unto the owner of them; and the dead beast shall be his.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And if one man's ox hurt another's, that he die; then they shall sell the live ox, and divide the money of it; and the dead ox also they shall divide.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Or if it be known that the ox hath used to push in time past, and his owner hath not kept him in; he shall surely pay ox for ox; and the dead shall be his own.

Matthew 7:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

When you come to the end of the energy of your own flesh, a whole new way will be opened up to you, ready to cross over the picket line, And praying you do cross over to the Spirit of God, where his yoke is easy and burden is light
That day you will enter as King David said he was going to, seeing the cross of Christ afar off
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

 

[just-me]

so whenever we serve the law of sin we are walking in the flesh and cannot please God. My new Spirit of God serves God, never my flesh

Romans 7:23-25 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8:2-3 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

This will start an argument I believe, but for weeks I have heard people say they are free from the law of sin which is true through Jesus Christ. What human nature wants to deny, is that in our members of the flesh, we all are serving the law of sin. If we can't get our heads wrapped around this Biblical fact, then we are saying to all who will listen to us, that we are better than Paul. Be honest with yourself and look into the perfect law of liberty, serving that with your mind as Paul said he did.

2 Corinthians 8:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.

James 1:23-25 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

 

[Kerry]

I'm tired and little cranking. What benefit does law give you. So you don't eat pork. Glory to God or to you for that. so you don't eat meat that has been sacrificed to idols. where is your profit. so you go to church on Saturnsday, what does that profit you. If you hand out tracts and tell people of Christ can you profit in that. What can you do to be perfect. What can I do to be perfect. answer nothing. All we can do is Thank you Jesus. Did He lie when He said it is finished. or shall we add crap to it. I'm a little cranky. Shall we say because of His grace there is no Hell. or shall we say because of His grace there is no sin. Shall we say because of His grace there is no judgement. ........ God forbid. What does the law give accept satisfaction of the flesh to stand and say I have done this or that. Boast in your pride evil doer. what shall you say to Christ when you stand before Him. Lord I never ate pork. He will say what has that have to with me , depart from me you worker of iniquity for I never knew you. Stand on the law and you will fail. Stand on Jesus. Whomsoever this falls on this rock shall be broken but, whomsoever this rock falls upon shall be crushed. Choose you this day whom you shall serve law or God.

 

[just-me]

I'm tired and little cranking. What benefit does law give you. So you don't eat pork. Glory to God or to you for that. so you don't eat meat that has been sacrificed to idols. where is your profit. so you go to church on Saturnsday, what does that profit you. If you hand out tracts and tell people of Christ can you profit in that. What can you do to be perfect. What can I do to be perfect. answer nothing. All we can do is Thank you Jesus. Did He lie when He said it is finished. or shall we add crap to it. I'm a little cranky. Shall we say because of His grace there is no Hell. or shall we say because of His grace there is no sin. Shall we say because of His grace there is no judgement. ........ God forbid. What does the law give accept satisfaction of the flesh to stand and say I have done this or that. Boast in your pride evil doer. what shall you say to Christ when you stand before Him. Lord I never ate pork. He will say what has that have to with me , depart from me you worker of iniquity for I never knew you. Stand on the law and you will fail. Stand on Jesus. Whomsoever this falls on this rock shall be broken but, whomsoever this rock falls upon shall be crushed. Choose you this day whom you shall serve law or God.

What has happened to make you cranky brother? I thought we had all come to a consensus, but I see this is your first post on this thread. Recognizing the law is not denying Christ Jesus. I sincerely believe that no one that has ever posted on the thread is advocating that they are so holy by admiring the Mosaic Law as a God given asset, that they don't need the salvation of our Lord Jesus Christ. Every post that I have seen in here advocates faith in Jesus Christ. There is a crux, of sorts, instigated by assumptions. Here is some scripture that might enhance food for thought. This is not pointed toward you my friend.

Luke 2:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Luke 24:44 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

1 John 3:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 1:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we are believers in Christ, or not, we all have sinned, and still do in our members of fleshly desires. With the indwelling Spirit of God, we fight that nature, and then:

1 Corinthians 15:57 (KJV)
[SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The above (1 Corinthians 15:57) is present tense, and so is 2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV) indicating a progression of events taking place in our hearts and soul through the sword of the Spirit of God, cutting away those sins that would keep us apart from Him.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
1 Corinthians 15:30-31 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

 

[Kerry]

What has happened to make you cranky brother? I thought we had all come to a consensus, but I see this is your first post on this thread. Recognizing the law is not denying Christ Jesus. I sincerely believe that no one that has ever posted on the thread is advocating that they are so holy by admiring the Mosaic Law as a God given asset, that they don't need the salvation of our Lord Jesus Christ. Every post that I have seen in here advocates faith in Jesus Christ. There is a crux, of sorts, instigated by assumptions. Here is some scripture that might enhance food for thought. This is not pointed toward you my friend.

Luke 2:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Luke 24:44 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

1 John 3:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 1:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we are believers in Christ, or not, we all have sinned, and still do in our members of fleshly desires. With the indwelling Spirit of God, we fight that nature, and then:

1 Corinthians 15:57 (KJV)
[SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The above (1 Corinthians 15:57) is present tense, and so is 2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV) indicating a progression of events taking place in our hearts and soul through the sword of the Spirit of God, cutting away those sins that would keep us apart from Him.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
1 Corinthians 15:30-31 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

Explain to me where law profits a man. It only shows his sin. where do we turn. the cross. Practicing law does not add one inch to our stature. Following the Spirit in Faith is our just reward. In other words the only thing we can stand on before the Father is our faith in the cross and nothing else. Religion tells us to work and earn our reward. God will have none of that.

 

[just-me]

Explain to me where law profits a man. It only shows his sin. where do we turn. the cross. Practicing law does not add one inch to our stature. Following the Spirit in Faith is our just reward. In other words the only thing we can stand on before the Father is our faith in the cross and nothing else. Religion tells us to work and earn our reward. God will have none of that.

Leviticus 14:36-57 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Then the priest shall command that they empty the house, before the priest go into it to see the plague, that all that is in the house be not made unclean: and afterward the priest shall go in to see the house:
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then the priest shall go out of the house to the door of the house, and shut up the house seven days:
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house;
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Then the priest shall command that they take away the stones in which the plague is, and they shall cast them into an unclean place without the city:
[SUP]41 [/SUP]And he shall cause the house to be scraped within round about, and they shall pour out the dust that they scrape off without the city into an unclean place:
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And they shall take other stones, and put them in the place of those stones; and he shall take other morter, and shall plaister the house.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]And if the plague come again, and break out in the house, after that he hath taken away the stones, and after he hath scraped the house, and after it is plaistered;
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then the priest shall come and look, and, behold, if the plague be spread in the house, it is a fretting leprosy in the house: it is unclean.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And he shall break down the house, the stones of it, and the timber thereof, and all the morter of the house; and he shall carry them forth out of the city into an unclean place.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]Moreover he that goeth into the house all the while that it is shut up shall be unclean until the even.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And he that lieth in the house shall wash his clothes; and he that eateth in the house shall wash his clothes.
[SUP]48 [/SUP]And if the priest shall come in, and look upon it, and, behold, the plague hath not spread in the house, after the house was plaistered: then the priest shall pronounce the house clean, because the plague is healed.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
[SUP]50 [/SUP]And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
[SUP]51 [/SUP]And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
[SUP]52 [/SUP]And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
[SUP]53 [/SUP]But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]This is the law for all manner of plague of leprosy, and scall,
[SUP]55 [/SUP]And for the leprosy of a garment, and of a house,
[SUP]56 [/SUP]And for a rising, and for a scab, and for a bright spot:
[SUP]57 [/SUP]To teach when it is unclean, and when it is clean: this is the law of leprosy.

This scripture has been very uplifting to me, explaining a restoration after having been given the gift of faith. To me, it explains how the high Priest (Christ Jesus) has the power to clean the house (me) after welcoming Him in, to see the corruption of my fleshly nature, with vacant holes that need to be filled. Verse 37 and 44
There were 7 days between Jesus entering Jerusalem, and His resurrection, 7 being the number, or letter “Zayin” (completeness) relating to food and nourishment, being the picture of a mattock (in the Hebrew pictorial) that prepares the ground, or heart. Relate to the parable of the sower and the seed. Verse 38
He will take corruption away, in the process as He determines, on the cross outside the city walls. Verse 41 and 45
He will baptize me and pronounce me clean before the Father. Verse 48 and 52
Cedar wood=known for it’s strength and deep root, even though the cross was Dogwood as I understand, and it doesn’t rot as other woods do.
Scarlet=blood
Hyssop=it is mentioned in Psalm 51 of the Bible as a Spiritual Purifying Agent, as it is written: Cleanse me with HYSSOP; wash me and I shall be whiter than snow. Verse 49

His flesh shall be the sacrifice of cleansing. Verse 50
The living bird is likened unto the scapegoat in Leviticus 16:8 (Az’azel) verse 53
Even though I know I see very little of the entire picture God is showing to me, this law has been uplifting to me, being a believer in Christ Jesus, knowing he continues to clean me up, when I confess my sinful nature. It helps me to see, and understand what dying daily means. May God bless you with these thoughts that are so deep and profound.

 

[wordhelpsme]

Although we are not under the law, many of the things in the law remain beneficial for us.

Diet and sanitary laws; family and judicial matters; religious obligations, handling of the dead and more.

We benefit to learn why laws such as cleanliness (an obvious one) were a protection for us.

 

[KohenMatt]

I'm tired and little cranking. What benefit does law give you. So you don't eat pork. Glory to God or to you for that. so you don't eat meat that has been sacrificed to idols. where is your profit. so you go to church on Saturnsday, what does that profit you. If you hand out tracts and tell people of Christ can you profit in that. What can you do to be perfect. What can I do to be perfect. answer nothing. All we can do is Thank you Jesus. Did He lie when He said it is finished. or shall we add crap to it. I'm a little cranky. Shall we say because of His grace there is no Hell. or shall we say because of His grace there is no sin. Shall we say because of His grace there is no judgement. ........ God forbid. What does the law give accept satisfaction of the flesh to stand and say I have done this or that. Boast in your pride evil doer. what shall you say to Christ when you stand before Him. Lord I never ate pork. He will say what has that have to with me , depart from me you worker of iniquity for I never knew you. Stand on the law and you will fail. Stand on Jesus. Whomsoever this falls on this rock shall be broken but, whomsoever this rock falls upon shall be crushed. Choose you this day whom you shall serve law or God.

Sorry to hear about the state you're in right now. I pray that you'll be able to get out of this funk soon, and will be able to return to your "Regularly Scheduled Programming". Then I think you'll be in a better position to talk and listen to comments about your post.

Shabbat Shalom!
Matt

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well obviously, we do it as often as we can as well, with different prayer times and Bible Studies each week. Our church services last a total of about 4 hrs (split up between 2 separate services).

But here, I'm just giving 1 practical example of how following something in Torah has blessed me in great ways.

I am not talking about Church service. I am talking about communion and fellowship with your church family. We only have church service once/week. We have induvidual bible studies, cell groups and home churhc meetings all throughout the week. Not to mention when we get together just to "hang out" because we WANT TO BE WITH EACH OTHER..

A HUGE blessing.

There is a huge difference.

That is what the church is missing.

My point was it is good you do it once a year. but why not do it many times a year? would that not be much better? That is the problem with ritualism. It says God told me to do it. I did it, so I must be a good boy or Girl and God must like what I am doing (emphasis placed on me)

Where as doing it often in many ways to be with the body, takes self out of the equation, because you are there serving others. and not self, and not doing it JUST because I WAS TOD TO..

 

[just-me]

Exodus 22:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

 

[homwardbound]

Romans 7:23-25 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8:2-3 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

This will start an argument I believe, but for weeks I have heard people say they are free from the law of sin which is true through Jesus Christ. What human nature wants to deny, is that in our members of the flesh, we all are serving the law of sin. If we can't get our heads wrapped around this Biblical fact, then we are saying to all who will listen to us, that we are better than Paul. Be honest with yourself and look into the perfect law of liberty, serving that with your mind as Paul said he did.

2 Corinthians 8:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.

James 1:23-25 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

so by what you posted here it alludes that you see truth as truth is, and I see this too. Yet I have heard you taking on the law as if we are to literally obey it to be righteous from God
And as you just posted you show that we can do nothing to be righteous in the Sight of God except by what Christ did for us
he died in our place in order to give us new life in Spirit by his resurrection and that is where we are to be at and stay as we still have this unredeemed body that sins, but can't if we are dead to it by being alive to God daily in the Spirit of God where no sin can occur.
Now by us people in unredeemed bodies we can only accomplish by Faith in God's resurrected Son. And doing this daily dying to self with Christ at the cross a co-crucifixion, so that we might see the new life as Paul states in Phil 3
[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]All for Christ[/h]3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

The law and flesh when mixed one fails, because flesh is weak and cannot attain perfection although it can appear as being good as what we are taught from birth on to be good and we will get rewards and onward we all go, walking in flesh and feeling good about ourselves or not
Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
[h=3]Luke 18:11-14[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ [SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted


So Brother I think you have crossed over the picket line to come over to God's side being in God's camp
and have had the school master lead you there. The Law Mosaic Law and are now at rest from your works as God is at rest from God's works? and if not yet, I am confident God will show you this amazing truth found in Christ, at the resurrection of, where new life is at, a gift from God so we can rest from stress and be one with God as God deemed for us to be, and having no respect of persons, we are all one in God by God and from God by the Cross, death first to bring us to God andrecieve life from God after we see the death and the reason for it

[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— [SUP]23 [/SUP]if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

 

[homwardbound]

Exodus 22:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

in God's Spirit to be alive in God through Christ, there is no sin done ever or can ever be. You are mixing Law and grace of God, which under Law and being aware of Law puts, flesh into captivity and one becomes a transgressor again of the perfect Law, and does not love as God does.
All sin has been condemned to flesh, so therefore the only place one can ever sin again is of flesh since "ALL" Sin has been condemned to flesh.
[h=3]Romans 8:3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh

 

[homwardbound]

So then let's be dead to flesh and alive to God
[h=3]Romans 5:10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)


[SUP]10 [/SUP]For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.


[h=3]Romans 6:11[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[just-me]

so by what you posted here it alludes that you see truth as truth is, and I see this too. Yet I have heard you taking on the law as if we are to literally obey it to be righteous from God
And as you just posted you show that we can do nothing to be righteous in the Sight of God except by what Christ did for us
he died in our place in order to give us new life in Spirit by his resurrection and that is where we are to be at and stay as we still have this unredeemed body that sins, but can't if we are dead to it by being alive to God daily in the Spirit of God where no sin can occur.
Now by us people in unredeemed bodies we can only accomplish by Faith in God's resurrected Son. And doing this daily dying to self with Christ at the cross a co-crucifixion, so that we might see the new life as Paul states in Phil 3

So.... It is obvious that you haven't comprehended, until now, what I've been saying, all along. What I think you failed to hear, was that in all that I have written on this thread, is that I never endorsed the law as "to literally obey it to be righteous", but this is what your own interpretation was of what I was really saying. To clarify, my belief is that even after we are born again, we are to continue looking into the law so we can identify the human nature of ourselves. There are too many who claim salvation, and flat out refuse to do that. This is what James was talking about in His ministry.

James 1:23-25 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Therefore, if we don't use the law to identify God's name/nature, and our human nature, we are truly denying the law of liberty. If you can't see that, then your viewpoint saddens my heart.

 

[zone]

So.... It is obvious that you haven't comprehended, until now, what I've been saying, all along. What I think you failed to hear, was that in all that I have written on this thread, is that I never endorsed the law as "to literally obey it to be righteous", but this is what your own interpretation was of what I was really saying. To clarify, my belief is that even after we are born again, we are to continue looking into the law so we can identify the human nature of ourselves. There are too many who claim salvation, and flat out refuse to do that. This is what James was talking about in His ministry.

James 1:23-25 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Therefore, if we don't use the law to identify God's name/nature, and our human nature, we are truly denying the law of liberty. If you can't see that, then your viewpoint saddens my heart.

just-me,
i may have you confused with someone else, so apologies in advance if this is so.

have you not been advocating America (the world?) implement Mosaic Law for righteousness?
that America would be better off to literally obey it (Mosaic Law) to be righteous?

this is pretty broad, i know, but it's a start.

zone.

 

[KohenMatt]

I am not talking about Church service. I am talking about communion and fellowship with your church family. We only have church service once/week. We have induvidual bible studies, cell groups and home churhc meetings all throughout the week. Not to mention when we get together just to "hang out" because we WANT TO BE WITH EACH OTHER..

A HUGE blessing.

There is a huge difference.

That is what the church is missing.

My point was it is good you do it once a year. but why not do it many times a year? would that not be much better? That is the problem with ritualism. It says God told me to do it. I did it, so I must be a good boy or Girl and God must like what I am doing (emphasis placed on me)

Where as doing it often in many ways to be with the body, takes self out of the equation, because you are there serving others. and not self, and not doing it JUST because I WAS TOD TO..

That's another blessing of all of the Biblical Feast days: they're all yet another opportunity to come together as the Body in 1 spirit for special days. Our church does something for each of the Feast Days.

 

[just-me]

just-me,
i may have you confused with someone else, so apologies in advance if this is so.

have you not been advocating America (the world?) implement Mosaic Law for righteousness?
that America would be better off to literally obey it (Mosaic Law) to be righteous?

this is pretty broad, i know, but it's a start.

zone.

You are partially right, but I have never advocated that America or the world would receive righteousness through the Mosaic Law. That has been improperly defined by the accusers who say we want to be under the law. What I have said and tried to make very clear is that there are benefits of prosperity and peace by the understanding of what God gave Israel to be an example to the world. There is more but if I wrote it down there would be some people distorting what I say by adding to what I present.

I'll give you an example of how things work in here, which I'm sure you have already detected. A news reporter asks a question of a politician and then the politician says, "The question is..." Then poses a question to himself and then answers it to evade the original question. The politician skews the subject at hand and tries to present things that distort what is originally being asked or stated.

 

[zone]

You are partially right, but I have never advocated that America or the world would receive righteousness through the Mosaic Law. That has been improperly defined by the accusers who say we want to be under the law. What I have said and tried to make very clear is that there are benefits of prosperity and peace by the understanding of what God gave Israel to be an example to the world. There is more but if I wrote it down there would be some people distorting what I say by adding to what I present.

I'll give you an example of how things work in here, which I'm sure you have already detected. A news reporter asks a question of a politician and then the politician says, "The question is..." Then poses a question to himself and then answers it to evade the original question. The politician skews the subject at hand and tries to present things that distort what is originally being asked or stated.

okay. thank you.
the Law is for the lawless, it's true.

why not preach the Gospel since no one will ever be saved by the Law?
and this world is coming to an end.

the Gospel preached without the Law is gospel reductionism, and doesn't mean much.
prosperity and so on. a little like a deluded lack of understanding of what The Law really says - cursed is everyone who agrees to live by, yet does not do everything written in it.

but the Law without the remedy will be helpful for the death penalty and stuff.
if that is what we need.

it's also one reason sinful lawless men go to war - DO and DO NOT DO.
or else.

 

[just-me]

okay. thank you.
the Law is for the lawless, it's true.

why not preach the Gospel since no one will ever be saved by the Law?
and this world is coming to an end.

the Gospel preached without the Law is gospel reductionism, and doesn't mean much.
prosperity and so on. a little like a deluded lack of understanding of what The Law really says - cursed is everyone who agrees to live by, yet does not do everything written in it.

but the Law without the remedy will be helpful for the death penalty and stuff.
if that is what we need.

it's also one reason sinful lawless men go to war - DO and DO NOT DO.
or else.

Here is the way I see it. I think that faith can be increased. You probably do too. It's a schoolmaster thing, even to the believers. The question remains, if we have faith, then why reject? If we have faith, why on God's green earth would we not want to die to ourselves daily, and come to Christ daily? God has given us a tool to do that, why deny it? The Law is NOT for just one purpose and then made obsolete. I just can't understand why some want to destroy the benefits thereof, when Christ Himself didn't destroy it? Unbelievable!!!