HAVE WE BEEN SOLD A LEMON ABOUT WHO THE REAL JEWS ARE ?

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May 15, 2013
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assumption ? do you even believe the bible or are you an atheist ?. this is what the bible says >>> lamentations 4 vs 8 Their visage is blacker than a coal;

lamentations 5 vs 10 Our skin was black like an ovenbecause of the terriblefamine

job 30 vs 30
My skin is black upon me

daniel 7 vs 9
and the hair of his head like the pure wool <<< indians dont have wooly hair. only so called black people:

song of solomon 1 vs 6
Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me << king solomon of israel
Is she consider to be Black?

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According to the Zondervan bible dictionary "Ham - the youngest son of Noah, born probably about 96 years before the Flood and one of eight persons to live through the flood. He became the progenitor of the dark races-not the Negroes, but the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans and Canaanites."

The "BIBLE DICTIONARY" which you cannot debate, clearly states that Ham became the father of the dark races, "but" NOT the Negroes. Negro is a by word given to the Jews, for God said when they will be scatterd they will be referred to by an by word.
So I'm guessing that you are saying that when Noah brought the animals on the Ark, he had also brought in a family of Negros to start the Black nations.
 
Jul 18, 2013
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whats your point ? the jews were, are, will always be black. now for your own sakes if you want to make it into the kingdom you will have to embrace this fact because you are no longer ignorant. i have enlightened you. if you reject it now that you have been enlightened that is your pride at play and no prideful person will make it into the kingdom. i have committed you by revealing this information to you. you are committed now. ignorance is no longer an excuse for you. now you are going to have to battle your own pride and decide what is more important to you. a place in the kingdom or white pride in this world and eternal damnation. the choice is now yours.
 
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lamentations 4 vs 8 Their visage is blacker than a coal;

lamentations 5 vs 10 Our skin was black like an ovenbecause of the terriblefamine

job 30 vs 30
My skin is black upon me

daniel 7 vs 9
and the hair of his head like the pure wool <<< indians dont have wooly hair. only so called black people:

song of solomon 1 vs 6
Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me << king solomon of israel
Hon, with all due respect, you are neither listening with the possibility of being wrong, nor are you being scientifically accurate. Even someone from a family of white people can have black skin FROM THE SUN or from illness. I should know because my sister's mother-in-law just died of an illness that made her skin black though her hair was blonde.
A lack of proper nutrition will make anyone's hair white, and will often cause them to loose their hair.
Job hardly counts because he had boils and was undergoing tribulation from the devil.
Even in the verse from solomon it says "because the sun hath looked upon me".
PLEASE, if you are going to call someone wrong do so without sounding like an ignoramus who can't even read his own "proofs" in context.
You show me a jew from the line of Jacob that is coal black and I will show you he is a minority and statistical anomaly.
 
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Hon, with all due respect, you are neither listening with the possibility of being wrong, nor are you being scientifically accurate. Even someone from a family of white people can have black skin FROM THE SUN or from illness. I should know because my sister's mother-in-law just died of an illness that made her skin black though her hair was blonde.
A lack of proper nutrition will make anyone's hair white, and will often cause them to loose their hair.
Job hardly counts because he had boils and was undergoing tribulation from the devil.
Even in the verse from solomon it says "because the sun hath looked upon me".
PLEASE, if you are going to call someone wrong do so without sounding like an ignoramus who can't even read his own "proofs" in context.
You show me a jew from the line of Jacob that is coal black and I will show you he is a minority and statistical anomaly.
i suppose they could have wooly hair from the sun too ?
listen just as i have posted to a prior poster i would post to you the same.

whats your point ? the jews were, are, will always be black. now for your own sakes if you want to make it into the kingdom you will have to embrace this fact because you are no longer ignorant. i have enlightened you. if you reject it now that you have been enlightened that is your pride at play and no prideful person will make it into the kingdom. i have committed you by revealing this information to you. you are committed now. ignorance is no longer an excuse for you. now you are going to have to battle your own pride and decide what is more important to you. a place in the kingdom or white pride in this world and eternal damnation. the choice is now yours.
 
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So I'm guessing that you are saying that when Noah brought the animals on the Ark, he had also brought in a family of Negros to start the Black nations.
Who said Noah and his wife was white? Have you ever seen a black person being born of a white couple? But I am sure you have seen whites being born, of a black couple. That should tell you how Noah looked.
 
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i suppose they could have wooly hair from the sun too ?
listen just as i have posted to a prior poster i would post to you the same.

whats your point ? the jews were, are, will always be black. now for your own sakes if you want to make it into the kingdom you will have to embrace this fact because you are no longer ignorant. i have enlightened you. if you reject it now that you have been enlightened that is your pride at play and no prideful person will make it into the kingdom. i have committed you by revealing this information to you. you are committed now. ignorance is no longer an excuse for you. now you are going to have to battle your own pride and decide what is more important to you. a place in the kingdom or white pride in this world and eternal damnation. the choice is now yours.
Let's try a little logic. Obviously a square is a quadrilateral, but not all quadrilateral's are squares, right? So, by your logic All jews are black, but not all blacks are jews, right?
Everything produces after it's own kind, and since not all jews are black, and the blacks today are mostly NOT from the lineage of Jacob (the jews), your case has to rest. Yes, there are statistical anomalies. Yes, no doubt some Jews were or are black... but even within genetic pools one can find exceptions. Ever heard of a black albino?
 
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Who said Noah and his wife was white? Have you ever seen a black person being born of a white couple? But I am sure you have seen whites being born, of a black couple. That should tell you how Noah looked.
Yes, I've seen a black person born of a white couple, and I've seen a white person born of a black couple. My sister's mother in law, and a black albino. Fuzzy hair doesn't mean black heritage. Most blacks don't even share the same characteristics with each other. Jamaicans can often be darker skinned with fuzzy white or blonde hair. But where did Jamaicans come from? My own husband is black, but his hair isn't that fuzzy. My daughter is half black half white, but she has mongolian spots... something that only comes from Asian heritage (and I'm NOT Asian). The blacks as a whole are from diverse bloodlines, hence the variation of skin tones even within families. Genetics as pertaining to physical characteristics is not black and white. and FYI... Noah was not a Jew. Neither was Abraham.
 
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Let's try a little logic. Obviously a square is a quadrilateral, but not all quadrilateral's are squares, right? So, by your logic All jews are black, but not all blacks are jews, right?
Everything produces after it's own kind, and since not all jews are black, and the blacks today are mostly NOT from the lineage of Jacob (the jews), your case has to rest. Yes, there are statistical anomalies. Yes, no doubt some Jews were or are black... but even within genetic pools one can find exceptions. Ever heard of a black albino?
i am not dealing with exceptions. i am dealing with facts here. i am dealing with how the bible describes all jews. now one thing you have to remember is that when the old testament was written, there were no race mixing. every nation stayed with their own kind. all nations were homogenous. race mixing only started when the roman empire took control and started mixing everyone up but even at that people still kept to themselves pretty much. so when the old testament was written all nations were homogenous. and all the verses i quoted about being black were from the book of job, lamentations, song of solomon. so there are no exceptions here. this was a homogenous era in mankind history. no race mixing. race mixing is against the law. only the roman empire intriduced race mixing and co-existing together

so your lil logic does not work here
 
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Let's try a little logic. Obviously a square is a quadrilateral, but not all quadrilateral's are squares, right? So, by your logic All jews are black, but not all blacks are jews, right?
Everything produces after it's own kind, and since not all jews are black, and the blacks today are mostly NOT from the lineage of Jacob (the jews), your case has to rest. Yes, there are statistical anomalies. Yes, no doubt some Jews were or are black... but even within genetic pools one can find exceptions. Ever heard of a black albino?
Believe it or not people can look like Derek Jeter and be a Jew, the lineage goes by the father. Derek Jeter "looks" European but he is in fact a Jew, for his father is one. The Bible said the Hebrews would be dispersed to the four corners, but the vast majority came to America, the Caribbean and the Latin areas. An albino of black parents no matter what will sill be a Hebrew, but the reason he says the Jews are "black" is because in "general" they were and are of dark complexion.
 
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i suppose they could have wooly hair from the sun too ?
listen just as i have posted to a prior poster i would post to you the same.

whats your point ? the jews were, are, will always be black. now for your own sakes if you want to make it into the kingdom you will have to embrace this fact because you are no longer ignorant. i have enlightened you. if you reject it now that you have been enlightened that is your pride at play and no prideful person will make it into the kingdom. i have committed you by revealing this information to you. you are committed now. ignorance is no longer an excuse for you. now you are going to have to battle your own pride and decide what is more important to you. a place in the kingdom or white pride in this world and eternal damnation. the choice is now yours.
You are puting WAAAAAY too much portence on the color of a person's skin, their genetic line, and even what the Jews supposedly look like. And to say that my disagreeing with you or even possibly being illusioned about the appearance of jews negating my justification through faith by God is heresy, and you are no judge as a finite human being no matter what your man-given degree.
I Timothy 1:1-4
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
 

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Anyone not seeing beyond the color of skin does not understand what the resurrection is, for we will all be changed in a moment and we will be just as Yeshua.

The role we are given in this age will have been rendered obsolete.

I hope no one here believes we will be resurrected different from each other as we are in this age.

It is not the container, it is the content. Our contents are the same. When we see this in others, there should be no more question about who is or is not family in Yeshua...........If there are still questions, something is horribly wrong.
 
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Believe it or not people can look like Derek Jeter and be a Jew, the lineage goes by the father. Derek Jeter "looks" European but he is in fact a Jew, for his father is one. The Bible said the Hebrews would be dispersed to the four corners, but the vast majority came to America, the Caribbean and the Latin areas. An albino of black parents no matter what will sill be a Hebrew, but the reason he says the Jews are "black" is because in "general" they were and are of dark complexion.
The lineage of the Jews does NOT go by the father... otherwise Jesus would not have been a Jew. The American Indians and every other nation were dispersed to the four corners of the earth, so not sure what portence your claim is. Black and dark complexion are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. Examples of very dark skinned cultures: ARAB, Jew, Asian, Australian, American Indian, Greek, Mexican, and at least half a dozen others. The Arabs come from Abraham; the Jews from Jacob; the Asians from Noah (obviously one of the oldest lines on earth); Australians from a variety of lines; American Indian from Asian and other unknown but speculated lines; Greek... duh; Mexican from latin and Indian lines; etc. This world is a melting pot all traced back to one person NOAH. By this fact even I must be part black because we all came from the same gene pool, and I'm hardly dark skinned.
 
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You are puting WAAAAAY too much portence on the color of a person's skin, their genetic line, and even what the Jews supposedly look like. And to say that my disagreeing with you or even possibly being illusioned about the appearance of jews negating my justification through faith by God is heresy, and you are no judge as a finite human being no matter what your man-given degree.
I Timothy 1:1-4
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.


Native Indians - One of the ten tribes that fled during the time of the Assyrian captivity.
Negroes-/blacks/Dominicans- Fulfilled Deuteronomy 28:68 curse

All these people are kept in prison houses as the Bible prophesies, upon many other prophecies. In general in ancient times when the Jews were not scattered more than 95% of them were brown to very dark brown, but due to the dispersion they have mingled and changed their appearance. The vast majority of Israel came to America, but you may of course have a very few remnant in other parts of the world.
 
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You are puting WAAAAAY too much portence on the color of a person's skin, their genetic line, and even what the Jews supposedly look like. And to say that my disagreeing with you or even possibly being illusioned about the appearance of jews negating my justification through faith by God is heresy, and you are no judge as a finite human being no matter what your man-given degree.
I Timothy 1:1-4
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
oh trust me if the color was not so important it would not have been mentioned in the bible a gazillion times. personally let me tell you why i suspect it is mentioned. the lord put his people ( israel ) through hell first ( 1 peter 4 vs 17 ) and made them the wretched people of the earth ( malachi 2 vs 9 ). so now everyone associates the color of his people with wretchedness. and then he made sure to put their color in the bible and his color to see if you will still worship him as he is described in the bible ( john 7 vs 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water ) when how he is described in the bible is associated with wretchedness on earth. its pitting your pride against you. can you accept the lord as he is described when you more than likely associate how he is described as wretchedness. do you see how the lord works ? is it getting clear to you ? will your pride let you worship a lowly man ?
 
Jul 18, 2013
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Anyone not seeing beyond the color of skin does not understand what the resurrection is, for we will all be changed in a moment and we will be just as Yeshua.

The role we are given in this age will have been rendered obsolete.

I hope no one here believes we will be resurrected different from each other as we are in this age.

It is not the container, it is the content. Our contents are the same. When we see this in others, there should be no more question about who is or is not family in Yeshua...........If there are still questions, something is horribly wrong.
i dont think you understand what ressurection means. you are still going to be in your own body. resurrection is a spiritual thing. it happens inside you. being changed spiritually not physically.
 
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Native Indians - One of the ten tribes that fled during the time of the Assyrian captivity.
Negroes-/blacks/Dominicans- Fulfilled Deuteronomy 28:68 curse

All these people are kept in prison houses as the Bible prophesies, upon many other prophecies. In general in ancient times when the Jews were not scattered more than 95% of them were brown to very dark brown, but due to the dispersion they have mingled and changed their appearance. The vast majority of Israel came to America, but you may of course have a very few remnant in other parts of the world.
Uh huh... and? Point is, the Jews are of the lineage of Jacob. Argue with the Bible and an entire semitic history with the mindset that 1. it's vain babblings, 2. God obviously doesn't care when it comes to salvation, and 3. those who take away or add to the SCRIPTURES lose their place in the Lamb's Book of Life.
Why the deuce is this discussion still lingering people???
 
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i dont think you understand what ressurection means. you are still going to be in your own body. resurrection is a spiritual thing. it happens inside you. being changed spiritually not physically.
We will be given glorified bodies in heaven, whatever that may mean (whether like Christ's or like our earthly one, etc). We have a job here on earth (for those of us actually justified by God) that even this minute is not being fulfilled. There is no edification of other saints in ANY of this, so ciao.
 
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The lineage of the Jews does NOT go by the father... otherwise Jesus would not have been a Jew. The American Indians and every other nation were dispersed to the four corners of the earth, so not sure what portence your claim is. Black and dark complexion are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. Examples of very dark skinned cultures: ARAB, Jew, Asian, Australian, American Indian, Greek, Mexican, and at least half a dozen others. The Arabs come from Abraham; the Jews from Jacob; the Asians from Noah (obviously one of the oldest lines on earth); Australians from a variety of lines; American Indian from Asian and other unknown but speculated lines; Greek... duh; Mexican from latin and Indian lines; etc. This world is a melting pot all traced back to one person NOAH. By this fact even I must be part black because we all came from the same gene pool, and I'm hardly dark skinned.
Numbers 1:18"And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls."

What do you mean Asians come from Noah? All nations started from Noah but then from Noah God crated and separated nations.
 
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We will be given glorified bodies in heaven, whatever that may mean (whether like Christ's or like our earthly one, etc). We have a job here on earth (for those of us actually justified by God) that even this minute is not being fulfilled. There is no edification of other saints in ANY of this, so ciao.
heaven is not a separate destination. heaven is a condition. heaven will be on earth. a transformed earth. glorified bodies is the same body but with a ressurected spirit. so we are still going to be humans on earth lol. hope you know that. only some of us will be angels while the ones stuck in the old covenant will be ordinary humans