Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

[john832]

i explained isaiah 66:22-23 already...

from one new moon to another' is like saying 'month after month'
'from one sabbath to another' is like saying 'week after week'

isaiah's mention of new moons and sabbaths are just timekeeping conventions...he isn't saying they will be observed in heaven...

in fact he cannot be referring to heavenly sabbath keeping because the time period 'from one sabbath to another' would also include the days in between and not just the sabbaths...what isaiah is really talking about is continual worship...

and zechariah 14 is obviously not about the new heaven and new earth...there is no punishment or smiting in the new heaven and new earth...

I would refer you to this post...

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/70200-mark-beast-sunday-laws-4.html#post1133547

When you get there, substitute the word "Hebrew" for the word "Greek".

 

[john832]

christ obeyed the entire law perfectly and by faith that obedience is credited to our account...just as if we ourselves had obeyed every jot and tittle of the law...

Makes us free to go out and break every one of those Laws?

 

[Christforme]

paul calls the following things shadows...
a festival
a new moon
sabbath days

since paul already mentioned the festivals or feast days...the sabbath days he is referring to cannot be those same feast days...

that would be like saying 'americans celebrate independence day and thanksgiving and the fourth of july'

it is very obvious that paul -is- including the saturday sabbath in his list of shadows...in fact paul even puts them in a logical order...yearly festivals...monthly new moons...weekly sabbath days...

Those that are a SHADOW of things are those that typified Christ. Had adam and eve never sinned, there would have been no Jesus on a cross. The Sabbath before sin is not the same as the sabbaths added to the Jews. Leviticus 23 mentions other sabbaths that jews were required to keep. If sabbath was abolished, why was Jesus concerned about it when He made His discourse of matthew 14? The fulfillment of the destruction of Jerusalem, was about 40 years AFTER the death of Christ, and Jesus clearly knew when this prophecy would be fulfilled, and YET He was still concerned ABOUT His Sabbath: "but pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day"- matthew 24:20
what does romans 3:31 mean to you? How can Scripture contradict Scripture?! No. That's impossible. Even to paul he knew that having faith does not release from your obligation to the law. "Shall we sin, because we are not under the law but under grace?" He answers his question: "God forbid"- romans 6:15

 

[Christforme]

the bible warns that there will be many false teachers in the last days...so in a way this heretical sabbath keeping movement -is- a fulfillment of prophecy...

Rachel you may call it heresy, but i respond to you exactly as Paul did: "but after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law, and in the prophets."- acts 24:14

 

[Christforme]

hebrews 4 has nothing to do with sabbath keeping...because the author calls God's rest a -promise- and not a commandment...and he says we enter that rest by believing...and he says that God fixed 'today' as the day to enter his rest...

paul preached on the sabbath because he preached in synagogues and the sabbath was the day for synagogue preaching...sort of like how if you wanted to speak in a public school you would do it while the school is open...it has nothing to do with mandatory observance of any particular day...

and notice there is nothing in any of the passages you quoted about paul -resting- on the sabbath...it just says he preached on the sabbath...the sabbath commandment in the law has nothing to do with what day people preach on...

why did the holy spirit leave out the sabbath?

acts 15:28-29..."For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell."

you would think the apostles would have mentioned the sabbath if keeping it was essential...and especially if breaking the sabbath had anything to do with the mark of the beast...

This makes a very big problem for you. If you say that the apostles left out Sabbath from this. BECAUSE THEY LEFT OUY SUNDAY! And they left out loving their enemies. They left out LOTS OF STUFF. Listen. Circumsicion made a great deal. Surely the Sabbath being changed into sunday would make a bigger deal. But we see no such BIG controversy over the Sabbath in the book of acts.

 

[Bookends]

God has made it clear to me. I know what is coming! My feet are firmly planted. I am unmovable.

God bless you too,,, the battle is about to heat up! Be of good cheer,, for our redemption draws closer than we know!

A lot of modern day prophecy pundits made and make the same claims, and you know what? They all have this in common, THEY ARE ALL WRONG. The bible teaches us to prepare as if the coming of the Lord is far off, and to be prepared as if he was to come in a nano second.

 

[notuptome]

This makes a very big problem for you. If you say that the apostles left out Sabbath from this. BECAUSE THEY LEFT OUY SUNDAY! And they left out loving their enemies. They left out LOTS OF STUFF. Listen. Circumsicion made a great deal. Surely the Sabbath being changed into sunday would make a bigger deal. But we see no such BIG controversy over the Sabbath in the book of acts.

Where did you get the idea that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday? The Sabbath is unchanged. The early church met initially on the Sabbath but when they were forced to meet outside the temple they assembled together on the first day of the week. Sunday is the first day of the week. Christ rose from the tomb on the first day of the week. It really is of no importance if you want to assemble on the Sabbath. It does matter when you want to make those who choose to assemble on the first day of the week to be lesser in the Lord. Here is where the offense comes in.
As well as lieth within you live peaceably with all men. Worship according to the dictates of your heart and allow others to do the same.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Christforme]

jesus' disciples omitted sabbath keeping from their advice to gentile christians...
paul called the sabbath a shadow...
jesus never commanded anyone to keep the sabbath even as he reiterated the rest of the commandments...
the bible even says flat out that jesus broke the sabbath...

sabbath keeping for christians is not a biblical doctrine...and historically every church that teaches it has either adopted serious heresy or entirely lapsed into judaism...it is a 'red flag' for a spirit of confusion...

Rachel. So you're saying Jesus broke the Law and sinned? The Bible says that Jesus is without sin. I truly hope you see what you are teaching. If Jesus sinned WE HAVE NO SAVIOUR. But Jesus said "i have kept my Father's commandments"- john 15:10
"Which one of you convinceth me of sin?"- John 8:46
Rachel your Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible. You preach a Jesus who sinned. I don't. So what Jesus really do? He taught them that acts of love and good and healing ARE LAWFUL on the Sabbath day! Jesus would in no wise yield to sin. He was claiming that healing on the Sabbath is in accordance with the Law! "And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day? -Luke 14:3"
"Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days"- matthew 12:12

This is what happens when you agree to some parts of Scripture and you ignore the other parts! You come up with conclusions that are not taught by Bible. Did you know that Isaiah prophesied of Christ magnifying the law?
He magnified the sixth law.
He magnified the seventh law.
Magnified the fourth law, when He removed the regulations and burdens of the Pharisees and re set the Sabbath according to its original purpose. To be for man, and not man for it! "Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath"!
"The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. -Isaiah 42:21"

Jesus does not teach to sin in any way shape or form. No sin can be allowed in heaven. Even the disregard of the least of these commandments costs you your salvation. Please truly think well. Do not come and just argue thinking you are defending God's cause. Do a real study on the ten commandments and see for yourself. Keeping sunday holy is pure pagan tradition, that DID catch up on the church of Christ. But paul already did say, that "the mystery of iniquity doth already work"!- 2 thessalonians 2:7! Paul saw the mystery of lawlesness and disobedience already working. Mind you, did you forget how many who thought they were doing miracles in Jesus' name, and casting out devils, meet at the day of God with disappointment? Why? What did Jesus tell them? He said "i never knew you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity[sin]".- matthew 7:23 jesus never knew them! Knowing Him is keeping His commandments! 1 john 2:4.
Please keep the Law of God, because only those that keep it will have a right to enter through the gates and eat of the tree of life. Rev 22:14. This is NOT the time to love sin above your Lord. The end of the world is coming upon us, and what makes you so sure that you will repent in the future? Was not the fate of Saul a fearful warning? How step by step he taught himself to disobey God, until he sealed his doom against God? Please. It's not the time to love sin! Jesus loves you and wants you to be saved! This is NOT the time to triffle with His mercy. I beg you stop. And turn back, and repent!

 

[allaboutlove]

Just to clarify wether you go to church on saturday or sunday or wether your SDA or cotholic an wether or not ether denomonation has some false doctrine dosent matter.... diffrent people are go na interpet things diffrent ways but that dosent make ether one nececarpy evil or false.. no one doctrine has everything completly right.. an its bot are disagreemebts that matter but what we agree on which is the fact Jesus christ is the son of God who came to die for the forgivness of are sins thats the helife that counts...... an we need to remember that though we may hwve some diffrence in belifs we are all Gods churh... much love an God bless.

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

That isn't so, you just have to read for yourself, even verses like col 2:16, and notice.

 

[Christforme]

Where did you get the idea that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday? The Sabbath is unchanged. The early church met initially on the Sabbath but when they were forced to meet outside the temple they assembled together on the first day of the week. Sunday is the first day of the week. Christ rose from the tomb on the first day of the week. It really is of no importance if you want to assemble on the Sabbath. It does matter when you want to make those who choose to assemble on the first day of the week to be lesser in the Lord. Here is where the offense comes in.
As well as lieth within you live peaceably with all men. Worship according to the dictates of your heart and allow others to do the same.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

That's the whole issue here. Whether Sabbath was changed or not. I was using the Bible to prove the Sabbath is unchanged. But i disagree with you, because the Bible is strict on the matter of sin. It is important to keep the Law of God. So it is important to keep the fourth commandment.

 

[Bookends]

LOL....but isn't our 'judgment' happening already? per: Ellen White's kooky "Investigative Judgment"?

da heresy of SDA's that Jesus entered into the Holy of Holies in 1843 to begin the work of "Investigative Judgment" - deciding who is worthy to enter heaven.

and that's whoever stays home or whatever they do on SATURDAY (plus is a vegan)...'parently.

mkay.

trouble is, nobody is 'worthy' of heaven.
also: BELIEVERS ARE NOT JUDGED.

a day of the week won't save ya.
if it did, unbelieving jews are saved, ya?

Jesus must have been "investigating" them in 1843...He surely sees they observe the sabbath, soooooooo.

like...for real?

Yah, and this stemmed from their acceptance of the Millerite prophecy of Christ's 2nd coming in 1843. Later Miller repented for being wrong, but the SDA church led by Ellen White spiritualized this prophecy away with "investigative judgment" doctrine stating that after 1843, Jesus was no longer an adversary for in the believer, and believer has to stand alone before God and give an account for how obedient they were.

AND the SDA promoters on this site say we clutch onto modern day reformed theology, while their false doctrines came after the reformation period began...Duh!!!

 

[Bookends]

Rome will take over the world in the end times that is where the mark of the beast comes from catholicism

Study some more my friend.

 

[Christforme]

That isn't so, you just have to read for yourself, even verses like col 2:16, and notice.

Paul that same paul of col 2:16 is the same that said romans 3:31 and romans 6:15. So just looking at these like this pulls a red flag for a true Christian. Because it seems that in one place paul disregards sabbath, then in another place, he is teaching to establish the law and not sinning (sin is the transgression of the law 1john 3:4 mind you). Looking closely to col 2:16 read verse 17. And all is clear. He talks about the sabbaths which are a shadow! But what are the sabbaths that were a shadow! Shadows are the stuff that prefigured the Christ and His ministry and works. Lev 23 shows the two types of sabbath. The shadows and the seventh day. And it makes it clear that the sabaths which are a shadow which were added after sin are not the same as the seventh day. The seventh day which was before sin cannot be a shadow because it was before the fall of mankind. Had adam and eve never sinned Christ would have never came to this earth. What does matthew 5:17-19 mean to you? 1john 2:4, 1 john 5:3, 1 john 2:3, rev 22:14, 1 corinthians 7:19, 1 john 3:4, 1 john 3:8, romans 3:31, romans 6:15, rev 14:12, and much more... It is clear that to say law was abolished is to make the Bible contradict itself. Do a study on every single verse that people use to try and show you that you should not keep the Law, and you will see that its twisted and that they are in perfect harmony with the verses i shared with you. Thank you

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

[h=3]John 5:18[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.



What should you say to this?

 

[Bookends]

Yah, and this stemmed from their acceptance of the Millerite prophecy of Christ's 2nd coming in 1843. Later Miller repented for being wrong, but the SDA church led by Ellen White spiritualized this prophecy away with "investigative judgment" doctrine stating that after 1843, Jesus was no longer an (adversary-wrong word) Intercessory for in the believer, and believer has to stand alone before God and give an account for how obedient they were.

AND the SDA promoters on this site say we clutch onto modern day reformed theology, while their false doctrines came after the reformation period began...Duh!!!

See correction above.

 

[Christforme]

Just to clarify wether you go to church on saturday or sunday or wether your SDA or cotholic an wether or not ether denomonation has some false doctrine dosent matter.... diffrent people are go na interpet things diffrent ways but that dosent make ether one nececarpy evil or false.. no one doctrine has everything completly right.. an its bot are disagreemebts that matter but what we agree on which is the fact Jesus christ is the son of God who came to die for the forgivness of are sins thats the helife that counts...... an we need to remember that though we may hwve some diffrence in belifs we are all Gods churh... much love an God bless.

Brother if you will stay on the surface how will you arm yourself.
"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. -Hebrews 5:12"
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. -Hebrews 5:13
"But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. -Hebrews 5:14"
Isn't time to take the meat of the Holy Scriptures?
Thank you.

 

[Christforme]

[h=3]John 5:18[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.



What should you say to this?

I answered this in another post. Pleas you will see it when you find it. But Jesus is no sinner. Jesus never broke the Sabbath. Jesus broke the degraded sabbath of the Jews. But according to God He never broke the Sabbath. Be careful! If Jesus sinned you are saying we have no saviour. Check the replies above.

 

[allaboutlove]

Brother if you will stay on the surface how will you arm yourself.
"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. -Hebrews 5:12"
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. -Hebrews 5:13
"But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. -Hebrews 5:14"
Isn't time to take the meat of the Holy Scriptures?
Thank you.

Strong meat has nothing to do with having pointless debates over doctrine isuues that arent required for salvation an that we want know the truth to until it happens.... sometimes debating such things are fun but it gets to the point where you know your right an the other guy knows he is rigbt an most likely where all wrong an where doing nothing but sowing seeds of argument an disagrement amoung are selves instead of actually going about what we should be doing which is trying to help those that are lost..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"The pope is the harlot". Well how do you define that from Holy Bible? Woman in prophecy is church. This whorish woman is the catholic church. Pope is the man of sin. Go to the link i sent above and see it for yourself. Antichrist stays to the end for Jesus to destroy him. There has been no emperor for rome for decades

so you admit the harlot is the pope?

then you just twisted your own belief. The antichrist or man of sin or beast or whatever you want to call him DESTROYS THE HARLOT.

thus you have the pope destroying himself.

and by the way, the church is not the woman, never has been, the woman gave birth to Christ. Christ gave birth to the church. thus the child and mother cannot be the same!

so instead of me going to some stupid link. why don;t you show you have at least studied some..