Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

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Daniel's dream is interpreted for him in chapter 7, rather than he interpreting the dreams of others. Here he sees the four successive Gentile world empires that will rule throughout the time that Israel is without a sovereign king. Their kingdom will not be restored until Messiah takes the throne of David for the Millennium.
These Gentile powers are symbolized by four beasts whose attributes represent qualities peculiar to each. Daniel, and eight hundred years after him, the prophet John saw the demon spirits that manifested in those kingdoms, united in Papal Rome at the end-time.
Daniel 7:2-8, "Daniel spoke saying, in my dream I saw four winds of the heavens strive upon the great sea".
As in Zechariah 6:5 and Revelation 7, the four winds represent God's servants of judgment, in war and strife, coming from the cardinal points to chastise Israel. Revelation 7 foretells the destruction of all life after the sixfold purpose of Gabriel's instructions is accomplished, and 144,000 elect Israelites reconciled to God (Daniel 9:24). John foresaw the destruction the Gentile world in the battle of Armageddon, as Ezekiel 9 foresaw the destruction of Jerusalem when Titus besieged and starved her defenders before burning the city and temple.
The "great sea" is the Mediterranean whence the last empire, Rome, arose (Revelation 13:1). The sea speaks of chaos and the symbolism reminds us of the Masonic motto, "out of chaos, order" for here it symbolizes ALL "peoples and nations and multitudes and tongues" over whom Papal Rome will rule under the coming New World Order (Revelation 17:1, 15).
"Four great beasts, diverse one from another, rise in succession from the Gentiles. The first (the Babylonian empire under Nebuchadnezzar) was like a lion (Jeremiah 4:6-7), and had eagle's wings (Ezekiel 17:1-3):as I watched its wings were plucked so that it could no longer fly and it was left standing on the earth, on two feet like a man, and a man's heart was given to it" (Daniel 2:37-38).
"And a second beast (the Medo-Persian Empire), was like a bear; it raised up on one side (or became powerful in one dominion) and it held three ribs between its teeth (Egypt, Lydia and Babylon): and a voice said, 'Become powerful, and devour many people!' After this I saw third (the Grecian empire of Alexander the Great) like a leopard but upon its back were four wings of a fowl and it had four heads (representing Alexander's successors between whom the empire was divided into the kingdoms of Egypt, Babylonia, Syria and Greece); and dominion was given to it" (Daniel 8:20-22).
"After this I saw in my dream a fourth beast (the Roman empire), dreadful to describe and incredibly strong. It had great iron teeth and devoured some of its victims by tearing them apart with its huge iron teeth. Others it crushed beneath its feet (of iron mixed with clay after Imperial Rome had become Papal Rome -- Daniel 2:40-45). It was different from all the beasts that were before it; more brutal and vicious. And it had ten horns", (the kingdoms into which the Roman Empire divided. Daniel 2:40-43; Revelation 12:3; 13:1; 17, 3, 12, 17).
In Revelation 13:3, John "saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death: and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." This wounded head was the pagan Roman Empire, that great political world power which revived as the Roman Catholic spiritual empire. Pagan Rome divided and conquered. Her iron teeth tore and devoured. Whom she tore and devoured could not rise again as when she destroyed Carthage and sowed her to salt. The same iron seed remained in her when she arose as the FALSE church, and her policy has remained the same -- divide and conquer. In the Spiritual, Jesus calls this Nicolaitanism. Hereby Rome established a priestly hierarchy between God and men. And Jesus hates it (Daniel 7:19-23; Revelation 2:6).
"I considered the horns (or kingdoms into which the Roman Empire was divided -- the Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Franks, Vandals, Seuvi, Alemanni, Anglo-Saxons, Heruli, Lombards and Burgundians), when suddenly another power, a little horn, appeared among them, before whom three of the first horns were uprooted (the Vandals, Heruli and Ostrogoths). This horn had a man's eyes (signifying mental and spiritual faculties) and a mouth speaking presumptuously".

This horn does not receive a crown like the ten political powers (Revelation 13:1) but seeks to intrude into the Divine realm, and will be given power for a period of forty-two months. This little horn is the Vatican religious power whose pope, once incarnate of the Devil, will rule the ten sovereign states of the old Holy Roman empire that have re-confederated under the Treaty of Rome to form the European Union (EU) (Revelation 17:8-14). In league with them, but ruling from Jerusalem, he will blaspheme; harass and martyr the 144,000 saints; establish a new order of religious dispensations and a new morality, and three and a half years after taking power, force the mark of the beast -- his religious dogma -- on pain of death (Daniel 7:25; Revelation 12:7-17; 13:1-5).
 
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Makes us free to go out and break every one of those Laws?

No. Make us innocent, even though we have, are and continuing to break laws.

This is why people will never get it. they think they are holy. and condemn us who UNDERSTAN we will never be holy of our own no matter how long we live on this earth.
 
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Makes us free to go out and break every one of those Laws?
once again if you had the truth in you, you wouldn't say such foolishness 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. [h=3]Romans 6:18[/h]
 
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I answered this in another post. Pleas you will see it when you find it. But Jesus is no sinner. Jesus never broke the Sabbath. Jesus broke the degraded sabbath of the Jews. But according to God He never broke the Sabbath. Be careful! If Jesus sinned you are saying we have no saviour. Check the replies above.
May I ask you dear brother, which post number did you mention it?
 
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once again if you had the truth in you, you wouldn't say such foolishness 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. Romans 6:18
How are you going to claim to be a servant of righteousness, and not keep Gods commands? God gave us a Sabbath. Satan set you up a counterfiet. Whose commads shall we keep?

The point John is making is this:

A man is sentenced to death. The Govenor of the territory decides to pardon the condemned man. The man is free to go.

The condemned man should be grateful to the Govenor and his pardon. The condemned man shows how grateful he is by keeping and obeying the laws of the Govenor and his territory.

What would the Govenor do, if he finds out the man he pardoned is out killing and robbing and doing as he pleases?
 

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Satan has his mark and God has His mark. The one commandment that defines which God you serve and OBEY is the 4th commandment.

Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: 5And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.



Matthew 5:19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these leastcommandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


 

john832

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once again if you had the truth in you, you wouldn't say such foolishness 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. Romans 6:18
Hmmm, lemme see here...

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

You keep telling us the Law is done away, so therefore there is no sin according to Paul. I think your theology is based on opinion, yours and others.
 

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How are you going to claim to be a servant of righteousness, and not keep Gods commands? God gave us a Sabbath. Satan set you up a counterfiet. Whose commads shall we keep?

The point John is making is this:

A man is sentenced to death. The Govenor of the territory decides to pardon the condemned man. The man is free to go.

The condemned man should be grateful to the Govenor and his pardon. The condemned man shows how grateful he is by keeping and obeying the laws of the Govenor and his territory.

What would the Govenor do, if he finds out the man he pardoned is out killing and robbing and doing as he pleases?
Why, according to some, he would pat him on the back and say "way to go!"
 

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Revelation 7:3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor thetrees, till we have sealed the servants of our God intheir foreheads.

As shown above from Deuteronomy 6 it is the commandments that are written by God that seals God's servants.


  • Exodus 31:13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a signbetween me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
  • Ezekiel 20:12Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a signbetween me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.
  • Ezekiel 20:20And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a signbetween me and you, that ye may know that I am theLord your God.


There is two kinds of Christians.

Revelation 12:17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep thecommandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 2:16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Believers who have faith that grace only is enough to get them in, fail to see there is a better place all the way in to our bridegroom presence, which is reserved for those who are priests.

1 Peter 2:9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;


  • Deuteronomy 14:2For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
  • Deuteronomy 26:18and the Lord hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments;
  • Titus 2:14who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
  • 1 Peter 2:9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiarpeople; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:



 
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How are you going to claim to be a servant of righteousness, and not keep Gods commands? God gave us a Sabbath. Satan set you up a counterfiet. Whose commads shall we keep?

The point John is making is this:

A man is sentenced to death. The Govenor of the territory decides to pardon the condemned man. The man is free to go.

The condemned man should be grateful to the Govenor and his pardon. The condemned man shows how grateful he is by keeping and obeying the laws of the Govenor and his territory.

What would the Govenor do, if he finds out the man he pardoned is out killing and robbing and doing as he pleases?
can i ask you a question.. how did you become righteous, and what makes you righteous i would like to hear your theory, you and john, what exactly is righteousness to you
 

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No. The decree will go forth commaning you to work on Sabbath and rest on sunday. When you obey that decree you have agreed to obey the law of the pope above the decree of God. You receive the mark. God bless.
What makes you so sure the Pope is the beast? and the mark is not a sunday issue, the mark will have to be a physical thing
 

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Oops, forgot this
Originally Posted by josh123
can i ask you a question.. how did you become righteous, and what makes you righteous i would like to hear your theory, you and john, what exactly is righteousness to you



I am righteous because Christ has forgiven my sins and washed me with His blood. I no longer carry the guilt for the sins I have committed, Christ died to take the penalty for me and has imputed His righteousness to me.

So, what has that got to do with the Law. The Law tells me what sin is...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The instruction is don't sin...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Do your dead level best not to break the Law, but if you do, you have an advocate to plead your case to the Father and that is Jesus Christ the righteous

And what is an advocate? The word advocate comes from...

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παράκλητος
paraklētos
par-ak'-lay-tos
An intercessor, consoler: - advocate, comforter.

It is Christ who intercedes for us...

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

And what is the result of His intercession?

1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

propitiation:

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ἱλασμός
hilasmos
hil-as-mos'
atonement, that is, (concretely) an expiator: - propitiation.

So, I do my very best not to break God's Law, but when I do, I am guilty of sin. I do this daily, I believe that John knew exactly what he was talking about...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

so I go to the Father through Christ and humbly ask for forgiveness for breaking the Law that defines sin...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

and Christ applies the perfect sacrifice He made once for all, to my sins and I am forgiven and am then considered righteous. Not because of anything I have done, but because of Christ...

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now how lightly do you think we ought to take sin?

Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
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can i ask you a question.. how did you become righteous, and what makes you righteous i would like to hear your theory, you and john, what exactly is righteousness to you
OK, I answered you, now tell me, do you think it matters if we break any of the Ten Commandments?
 
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There are places in scripture, in words that are breathed to us by God, that says God blessed Saturday and told us what to do about it.

God's word says that there were meetings on Sunday, but it does not say that God takes back what He said.

The only order we have about using Sunday instead of Saturday comes from a man named Constantine. Other men mentioned they would like to use that day like Origen and Justin, but it wasn't God.

We say, like Daniel said, that God is our creator and we owe Him everything, we follow Him. So why take a chance that Constantine is right rather than God? It is safer to follow God.

We are not certain about mark of the beast, but we are certain about these things.

Whether it is sin, or we aren't to follow laws, or all the other stuff talked of here really are beside the point. Following our Lord is what is important.
 
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so you admit the harlot is the pope?

then you just twisted your own belief. The antichrist or man of sin or beast or whatever you want to call him DESTROYS THE HARLOT.

thus you have the pope destroying himself.


and by the way, the church is not the woman, never has been, the woman gave birth to Christ. Christ gave birth to the church. thus the child and mother cannot be the same!

so instead of me going to some stupid link. why don;t you show you have at least studied some..

the pope is not the harlot. i was quoting what you said above. "I have likened the daughter of zion to a comely and delicate woman."- jeremiah 6:2
We all know of a common fact that the church of Jesus is likened as a birde in Bible.
That woman who have birth to Jesus is His church. Jesus was born in the city of David, in His own church. And after He ascended to heaven, His church(which was transfered to His disciples) were persecuted for 1260 days. Each day for a year as prophecy scale says, and there you have it. The dipiction of the church being persecuted by satan during the reign of the popes from 538 -1978.
Beast is the vatican because it fulfills every depiction. Bible is true. And why call the link stupid? You have religious intolerance. You show the character of satan. The same character that the popes showed they possessed during the dark ages. I forgive you for being intolerant with me.
 
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so you admit the harlot is the pope?

then you just twisted your own belief. The antichrist or man of sin or beast or whatever you want to call him DESTROYS THE HARLOT.

thus you have the pope destroying himself.


and by the way, the church is not the woman, never has been, the woman gave birth to Christ. Christ gave birth to the church. thus the child and mother cannot be the same!

so instead of me going to some stupid link. why don;t you show you have at least studied some..

the pope is not the harlot. i was quoting what you said above. "I have likened the daughter of zion to a comely and delicate woman."- jeremiah 6:2
We all know of a common fact that the church of Jesus is likened as a birde in Bible.
That woman who have birth to Jesus is His church. Jesus was born in the city of David, in His own church. And after He ascended to heaven, His church(which was transfered to His disciples) were persecuted for 1260 days. Each day for a year as prophecy scale says, and there you have it. The dipiction of the church being persecuted by satan during the reign of the popes from 538 -1978.
Beast is the vatican because it fulfills every depiction. Bible is true. And why call the link stupid? You have religious intolerance. You show the character of satan. The same character that the popes showed they possessed during the dark ages. I forgive you for being intolerant with me. What's strange is the fact that the devil than turns his attack on the remnant of the seed of this woman who keep the commandments of God. I am one of those remnants that keep His commandments. And you cannot tolerate me. Strange why ignore this statement? The saints of God keep His commandments. Revelation 14:12
 
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Oops, forgot this





I am righteous because Christ has forgiven my sins and washed me with His blood. I no longer carry the guilt for the sins I have committed, Christ died to take the penalty for me and has imputed His righteousness to me.

So, what has that got to do with the Law. The Law tells me what sin is...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The instruction is don't sin...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Do your dead level best not to break the Law, but if you do, you have an advocate to plead your case to the Father and that is Jesus Christ the righteous

And what is an advocate? The word advocate comes from...

G3875
παράκλητος
paraklētos
par-ak'-lay-tos
An intercessor, consoler: - advocate, comforter.

It is Christ who intercedes for us...

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

And what is the result of His intercession?

1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

propitiation:

G2434
ἱλασμός
hilasmos
hil-as-mos'
atonement, that is, (concretely) an expiator: - propitiation.

So, I do my very best not to break God's Law, but when I do, I am guilty of sin. I do this daily, I believe that John knew exactly what he was talking about...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

so I go to the Father through Christ and humbly ask for forgiveness for breaking the Law that defines sin...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

and Christ applies the perfect sacrifice He made once for all, to my sins and I am forgiven and am then considered righteous. Not because of anything I have done, but because of Christ...

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now how lightly do you think we ought to take sin?

Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
little do you know it's more about having knowledge that jesus died for our sins it's impossible to be righteous like that the only way to be righteous is when you are baptised by the holy spirit, that's what you just don't understand it's not normal righteousness in the flesh it must be a supernatural righteousness that happens to us to rebuild our nature so we can only be righteous, righteousness isn't TRYING to be righteous it is in your nature you know nothing else to do but be righteous 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God [h=3]Romans 12:2 you see what this is saying here? when that supernatural comes and transformed you ( your old nature of the flesh it dies) and the renewing of your mind ( new birth the old is dead, doesn't exist anymore) only then can we be righteous and know what is the will of the lord [/h]
 
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if you don't have a testimony to prove that your mind was renewed by a super natural power how can you be righteous? and if you don't get what i mean by nature lets look at an example look at a cow it is in it's nature to eat grass because it was born that way see? so when we have this rebirth it will be in our nature to be righteous in other words we won't be trying to be righteous it will be the only thing we know how to do so that is why when it says 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[h=3]Galatians 5:22-23 nature now lets take a law a law is a rule and there is law to show that you are breaking a rule, true? now what this is saying is there is no law because it is in the "nature" of the spirit to have love,joy,peace,longsuffering,gentleness,goodness,faith, it other words all it knows to do is that, i pray that you would see what i'm trying to say here, i'm just showing you the truth my brother i pray that you would accept it and lean to god to reveal this to you so you can experience this also [/h]
 

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^ I you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with MBFM. ^
 

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Makes us free to go out and break every one of those Laws?




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