Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

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Shiloah

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i thought you had me on ignore.
it might turn out better for you to go back to that.
The 5th verse is extremely important when it comes to understanding these scriptures. Jesus did NOT break the Sabbath because Jesus is our High Priest.

Matthew 12:14
The Lord of the Sabbath

3But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions, 4how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone? 5"Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?


Isn't Jesus our High Priest?
 

zone

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The 5th verse is extremely important when it comes to understanding these scriptures. Jesus did NOT break the Sabbath because Jesus is our High Priest.
Matthew 12:14
The Lord of the Sabbath

3But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions, 4how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?

that's what i posted.
deal with it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Matthew 7:22-23 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
[SUP]23[/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness'."
How can you use this to show someone lost salvation because they did not live up to some standard when he states, I NEVER KNEW YOU"

If a person was saved, and then lost it. God would be lieing, because at the time they were saved, GOD KNEW THEM as his children.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Revelation 14:12-20


[SUP]12 [/SUP]Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Yep/ Gods children DO THIS.

so what are you arguing?
 
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Shiloah

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Just throwing in something here. When you talk of keeping God's commandments, you directly go to the Ten COmmandments rather than what is spoken here:
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
Good call imminentCataclysm. Kind of need verse 23 and 24 BAD to understand these scriptures right.
 
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Shiloah

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How can you use this to show someone lost salvation because they did not live up to some standard when he states, I NEVER KNEW YOU"

If a person was saved, and then lost it. God would be lieing, because at the time they were saved, GOD KNEW THEM as his children.
Lawlessness. The word ''lawlessness" is used there by Christ. That was no accident.
 
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Shiloah

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Yep/ Gods children DO THIS.

so what are you arguing?
Matthew 5:19

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 

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You just lost ALL credability. If it were not for Christ there would be no church. Christ birthed the church. If you can't get this right, nothing you say can be believable



lol.. The beast has not come yet. And rome is the harlot. A harlot is a false bride. or don't you get that??
ahhh, come on EG, you know that harlot is false bride who God gave a certificate of divorce, the Jewish Nation for rejecting their Husband, King, and Messiah...The beast you speak of was never married to God, therefore can't be considered a bride at all...Remember my 15 reasons why 1st century Jerusalem has to be the harlot. http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/47873-who-babylon-great-harlot.html
 
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Shiloah

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Matthew 12:14
The Lord of the Sabbath

3But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions, 4how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?

that's what i posted.
deal with it.
And this is what I posted which you obviously didn't get.

The 5th verse is extremely important when it comes to understanding these scriptures. Jesus did NOT break the Sabbath because Jesus is our High Priest.
 
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Laodicea

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Worship is mentioned 8 times in Revelation 13 & 14. Those who worship the beast will recieve his mark, those who worship God will recieve His seal. So we need to know:~
1. Who is the beast?
2. What is his mark?
3. What is the seal of God?

The mark of the beast is about worship and is a counterfeit of the seal of God.
 

zone

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Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
FIND HIS COMMANDMENT TO OBSERVE THE SINAI SABBATH IN MATTHEW 5.
the sign of the Old Covenant.

find it in His Sermon on the Mount.

you still have NO CLUE what Jesus came to do.



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Jeremiah 11:3
Tell them that this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Cursed is the one who does not obey the terms of this covenant..."

Deuteronomy 27:26
"Cursed is anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"

Ezekiel 16:33
Then, when I make atonement for you for all you have done, you will remember and be ashamed and never again open your mouth because of your humiliation, declares the Sovereign LORD.'"

Galatians 3:10
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

Romans 3:19
There is No One Righteous

18"THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES." 19Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

Ezekiel 16:33
Then, when I make atonement for you for all you have done, you will remember and be ashamed and never again open your mouth because of your humiliation, declares the Sovereign LORD.'"


ENTER JESUS CHRIST THE PERFECT MAN AND PERFECT LAMB

so that EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED.




Acts 13:39
Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

Romans 5:1
Faith Brings Peace and Joy

1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 3:28
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Romans 8:3
For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,

Romans 10:4
Christ is the culmination [END] of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Galatians 2:16
know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

Hebrews 7:19
(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

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know that a person is not justified by the works of the law
know that a person is not justified by the works of the law
know that a person is not justified by the works of the law
know that a person is not justified by the works of the law
know that a person is not justified by the works of the law

but by faith in Jesus Christ
but by faith in Jesus Christ
but by faith in Jesus Christ
but by faith in Jesus Christ
but by faith in Jesus Christ
 

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Worship is mentioned 8 times in Revelation 13 & 14. Those who worship the beast will recieve his mark, those who worship God will recieve His seal. So we need to know:~ 1. Who is the beast? 2. What is his mark? 3. What is the seal of God? The mark of the beast is about worship and is a counterfeit of the seal of God.
It is NOT, it is about WHO you worship, the mark on the head stands for what you think and believe (do you lean on Christ's atonement for the forgiveness of your sins and worship God out of joy and gratitude?), and the mark on the hands stands for what you do (does your life reflect your love for God towards others as He displayed love for you? In other words, does your faith produce the works of God). Or do you worship the ways of Satan which are worldly and of the flesh. You want to make it an issue of how you worship, not about who you worship.
 
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Shiloah

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What really convinces me to keep the sabbath on Saturday (as we know it) (aside from all the scriptural proof, I mean) is how hard people fight against that. If I'm simply misguided, why should anyone care? At worst, I'm just a weak Christian. But that evidently isn't the thinking of those that fight against keeping the sabbath on the 7th day of the week as God originally instructed, because it obviously bothers them so much that they attack with all their might those that believe that law should never have been changed. That's what really makes me sit up and take notice.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Lawlessness. The word ''lawlessness" is used there by Christ. That was no accident.
No it was not.

ALL people have done lawlessness.

Gods children obey his commands.

You still did not respond. He said he NEVER knew them. so how can we use this to prove one can lose salvation.

These people were never saved, yet they did all these works in Jesus name. Imagine that
 

zone

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And this is what I posted which you obviously didn't get.
Matthew 12:14
The Lord of the Sabbath

3But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions, 4how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?

will David be in the kingdom.
yes or no.

Jesus Himself said David did something NOT LAWFUL for him to do.
ON THE SABBATH.

what would you and your clan do if one of you were not indoors at sunset or had YEAST in your cupboards...on Saturday.

or....do you observe saturday because you esteem it.

you dont have a clue about the ancient Sabbath day.
not a clue.

neither does ANYONE alive today.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Matthew 5:19

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Gods children do not do these things.

The lawless people (even those who practice law) do this.
 
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Shiloah

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No it was not.

ALL people have done lawlessness.

Gods children obey his commands.

You still did not respond. He said he NEVER knew them. so how can we use this to prove one can lose salvation.

These people were never saved, yet they did all these works in Jesus name. Imagine that
I'm not telling you you personally will lose your salvation, eternally-grateful. I was only pointing out that Christ used the word "lawlessness" there. This isn't just about salvation to me. This is about loving Him with all my heart, soul, and mind. Hence, I strive keep ALL His commandments.
 

zone

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What really convinces me to keep the sabbath on Saturday (as we know it) (aside from all the scriptural proof, I mean) is how hard people fight against that. If I'm simply misguided, why should anyone care? At worst, I'm just a weak Christian. But that evidently isn't the thinking of those that fight against keeping the sabbath on the 7th day of the week as God originally instructed, because it obviously bothers them so much that they attack with all their might those that believe that law should never have been changed. That's what really makes me sit up and take notice.
because you are a Judaizer, just like the ones in Galatians....insisting its for your SALVATION.
which proves you do not even know what saves.

claiming you keep the LAW.
what a joke.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ahhh, come on EG, you know that harlot is false bride who God gave a certificate of divorce, the Jewish Nation for rejecting their Husband, King, and Messiah...The beast you speak of was never married to God, therefore can't be considered a bride at all...Remember my 15 reasons why 1st century Jerusalem has to be the harlot. http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/47873-who-babylon-great-harlot.html
lol buddy, We will disagree n this.

The harlot is the same harlot that Isreal played with all through the NT. You do not divorce a wife and make her a harlot. She may be an ex wife. but she is not the harlot. A harlot is a false wife.

Either way. The church did not give birth to jesus, he birthed the church with his death burial and ressurection. No getting around this.
 
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Shiloah

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because you are a Judaizer, just like the ones in Galatians....insisting its for your SALVATION.
which proves you do not even know what saves.

claiming you keep the LAW.
what a joke.
You don't even know what that means. The word Judaizer was created by the Catholics who made sure Christians didn't practice anything the Jews did, to the point that they even made Christians stop keeping the sabbath on Saturday. So who do you represent? That's already been made clear to me.