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josh123
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what does this have to do with keeping the commandments of god? so your trying to tell it's impossible to keep it perfectly is that true?
You didn't answer my questions. Who in this thread has specifically said that they want you to keep the 10 commandments perfectly?
And likewise, who in this thread has specifically said that they keep everything perfectly exact?
And who in here, or in Scripture, does it say that you have to keep the commandments perfectly to love him?
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josh123
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because you love him. you will keep it perfectly so what are you trying to tell me it's impossible to keep it perfectly right? yes or no question
I don't think there anyone in this particular thread, that does not belive in Jesus Christ as Lord and savior
What i have notice , once again a thread that could have been something informative interesting, has become nothing more but division on God word and looping back and forth on the same matter instead of progress.
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Has Heaven and earth pass ?
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
which are the least commandments ?
God bless
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I'm asking you who "they" is specifically, and where specifically "they" said that.
No, I can't keep it perfectly, nor would I ever pretend that I, or any person ever could.
hehe, funny thing is they can't keep the 10 commandments perfectly and want us too but hey they are perfect so i'm sure they work 6 days a week straight since they realise that this is the commandment that we must keep, i'm sure theykeep everything perfectly exact
I'm asking you who "they" is specifically, and where specifically "they" said that.
No, I can't keep it perfectly, nor would I ever pretend that I, or any person ever could.
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josh123
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exactly what you just said it is impossible to keep it perfectly that is why this is meant for US. And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. [h=3]1 John 3:23 when we believe in jesus and receive the holy spirit the other part comes in our nature LOOVEEE 8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.[/h]9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
[h=3]Romans 13:8-10 that is all that is required of us.. that is the point of this thread to show this[/h]
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josh123
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now if you gonna let your pride blind you for the truth there is nothing i can do about that... but it is written. and i did the first part and received my salvation now i'm doing the second part also, by even being on this forum i'm trying to show everyone this what is the right way to go.. because i don't want anyone to perish.. i want everyone to realise the truth and accept it, to receive their salvation.. is that such a bad thing?
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Laodicea
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It looks like he is just looking for an argument with us SDA. He wanted to discuss with just SDA but I see a lot of people on here who are not SDA?
So my questions still stand:
Who is saying that we need to keep it perfectly? And where did "they" say that?
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Laodicea
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Exodus 31:18 KJV
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Revelation 11:19 KJV
(19) And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Revelation 15:5 KJV
(5) And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
The tables of testimony are the 10 commandments. Why are the 10 commandments mentioned in the Book of Revelation? They are mentioned as being in heaven, the tabernacle on earth was a copy the original is in heaven. That means the sabbath of the Lord is in there in the book of Revelation. The sabbath of the Lord is written in heaven and seen by John in vision.
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Revelation 11:19 KJV
(19) And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Revelation 15:5 KJV
(5) And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
The tables of testimony are the 10 commandments. Why are the 10 commandments mentioned in the Book of Revelation? They are mentioned as being in heaven, the tabernacle on earth was a copy the original is in heaven. That means the sabbath of the Lord is in there in the book of Revelation. The sabbath of the Lord is written in heaven and seen by John in vision.
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ed2
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After this verse, where Jesus talks about "these commands", He goes on to expound on what these commands are. In fact, He explains what these commands are all the way to Matthew 7:27. So from Matt. 5:19 to 7:27 He teaches them what "these commands" are. Matt. 7:12 is the high point, I believe. He says to treat people the way you want them to treat you and that this "is the Law and the Prophets."
Matthew 5:19 points to what follows, all the way to 7:27. Then in 7:28, we know that His teaching is done because it says when He has finished these words, the people were amazed at His teaching because He taught as one who has authority, and not teaching them like their Scribes.
So, "these commands" of 5:19 are all the commands that follow, all the way to 7:27. In all actuality, Matt. 5:19 does not pretty much cover it. It takes Chapter 5-7 to cover "these commands" Jesus is talking about. In 7:24 He says that anyone who "hears these words of mine is like a wise man....". What words? The words He just then spoke to them, right then. What are "these commands" in 5:19? The commands He just gave them, right then.
Jesus' commandments are:
A new commandment I give to you: that you love one another. As I have loved you, also you love one another. John 13:34
This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keeps his commandments dwells in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit which he has given us. 1 John 3:23-24
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit murder, you shall not steal, you shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are summed up in this statement: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does not commit evil against a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:9-10
Therefore all things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12
That's how simple it really is.
What are the great commandments of Moses' law?
What does it mean to love GOD with all the heart, soul, and mind?
And what are GOD's commandments?
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. John 15:4-5
I'm starting to see shadows of the tithe in this. By law, only those who's crops or livestock produced increase (fruit) in a year were required to pay tithes on the increase; wage earners did not pay tithes on their wages (earned money). The significance of this is that the tithe glorified GOD for giving the increase (something man could not do). Abiding in the spirit produces fruit, and we are compelled by the spirit to share our increase with our brethren. Those who love GOD and his word know that this is just the way it works. In this, more growth and fruit occurs and GOD is glorified.
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. John 15:7-8
- Believe in Christ
[The people] said to [Jesus], 'What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?' Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that you believe into him whom he has sent.' John 6:28-29
Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord [by faith], so walk in him [by faith]. Colossians 2:6
Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord [by faith], so walk in him [by faith]. Colossians 2:6
- Love your neighbor as yourself
A new commandment I give to you: that you love one another. As I have loved you, also you love one another. John 13:34
This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keeps his commandments dwells in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit which he has given us. 1 John 3:23-24
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit murder, you shall not steal, you shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are summed up in this statement: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does not commit evil against a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:9-10
Therefore all things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12
That's how simple it really is.
What are the great commandments of Moses' law?
- Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:36-40
What does it mean to love GOD with all the heart, soul, and mind?
- For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3
- If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15
- He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21
And what are GOD's commandments?
This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23
No man can produce the fruit of the spirit of his own efforts (keeping laws). Impossible. Fruit is brought forth of the spirit through faith.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. John 15:4-5
I'm starting to see shadows of the tithe in this. By law, only those who's crops or livestock produced increase (fruit) in a year were required to pay tithes on the increase; wage earners did not pay tithes on their wages (earned money). The significance of this is that the tithe glorified GOD for giving the increase (something man could not do). Abiding in the spirit produces fruit, and we are compelled by the spirit to share our increase with our brethren. Those who love GOD and his word know that this is just the way it works. In this, more growth and fruit occurs and GOD is glorified.
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. John 15:7-8
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Shiloah
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You're the judge of other's repentance and salvation? Jesus said to test the spirits. 1) They can't contradict scriptures 2) They testify of Christ as the only Son of God and the only way to the Father 3) Their fruits must be good.
Contradicting scriptures seems a big issue in here.
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Shiloah
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What is it you're saying here, Ed2? When Jesus spoke the sermon on the mount, I did not see anywhere where He said any of the laws not longer were applicable or that He would give everyone a whole new list of laws, and only those counted. That's not what He said. He said in Matthew 7:12 [SUP]12 [/SUP]So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. That's doesn't mean anything's been thrown out; it means if you do unto others, etc., you'll keep the Law as a natural result. If you love God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself, yes, all the other laws HANG on these two laws. That doesn't mean they've been tossed aside. Otherwise, why would Christ have said this in chapter 5?
[SUP]Matthew 5:17-20 [/SUP]“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. [SUP]18[/SUP]For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.[SUP]20 [/SUP]For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Shiloah
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This is amazing. All of these listed scriptures prove to me, straight from our Lord's mouth, that we are to keep His commandments, the commandments written by God's own hand on slabs of stone for Moses.
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Shiloah
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Shiloah
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Not sure that was the rational, Kohen, though I can't begin to tell you what it was.
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josh123
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about to pull my hair out... wait a second are you reading the same thing here or something different, to end this all i can say is lets see what happens in the end.. you just can't see the truth, first of all you can't keep the commandments perfectly but somehow because you keep the sabbath the rest doesn't matter? 2ndly if this is the true commandment we must follow to sghow our love for god then the rest are irrelevant is that what you are telling me? so that means we just keep those commandments and completely forget about the rest, lol your pride has totally blinded you from the truth it's sad... but hey what can i say it's the last days these things must happen 3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
[h=3]2 Timothy 3:1-5[/h]
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Laodicea
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Revelation 14:12 KJV
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
So reading the context what are the commandments of God in this text?