can anyone baptize?

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Bryancampbell

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In Matthew 28:19-20 (NASB) is says:

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

Here we got discipleship, baptizing, and teaching. Converting, baptizing, and growth. Is it right for any Christian to baptize a convert if the person wants or is asked? Or should a minister or ​leader or a person ordained​, of a church that is allowed?
 
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josh123

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everyone gotta work out their own salvation weather they believe in their heart or not that jesus died for our sins
 
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Bryancampbell

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josh123 said:
everyone gotta work out their own salvation weather they believe in their heart or not that jesus died for our sins
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So is it a yes?
 
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josh123

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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [h=3]John 3:16[/h]
 
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Bryancampbell

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josh123 said:
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 3:16
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Good bible verse :)
 
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kenisyes

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You are part of a kingdom of priests (Rev. 1:6 is not part of the visions of what is to come, but is a statement of accomplished fact already when it was written). Of course you can minister salvation and empowerment to anyone using whatever capacities God has given you. Certainly you have the physcial ability (unless you are in wheel chair or some such) to walk someone into a pool, pour some water on his head, and say the words.

Likewise, if you have teaching ability, you have the right to teach. If prophetic ability, to prophesy, and so on. Centuries ago, certain churches usurped the believer's authority in response to a time when education was not available (and thus people could not realize and use what abilities they had), and that is why you see churches claiming that only they have the right to decide who is a priest. They provided the education, so they determined who was ready to enter his priesthood. It's simply an artifact of miscommunication from the past.
 
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Bryancampbell

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kenisyes said:
You are part of a kingdom of priests (Rev. 1:6 is not part of the visions of what is to come, but is a statement of accomplished fact already when it was written). Of course you can minister salvation and empowerment to anyone using whatever capacities God has given you. Certainly you have the physcial ability (unless you are in wheel chair or some such) to walk someone into a pool, pour some water on his head, and say the words.

Likewise, if you have teaching ability, you have the right to teach. If prophetic ability, to prophesy, and so on. Centuries ago, certain churches usurped the believer's authority in response to a time when education was not available (and thus people could not realize and use what abilities they had), and that is why you see churches claiming that only they have the right to decide who is a priest. They provided the education, so they determined who was ready to enter his priesthood. It's simply an artifact of miscommunication from the past.
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That makes sense, but why would they still have priests and such even when education is now bigger than ever before today?
 
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kenisyes

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Bryancampbell said:
That makes sense, but why would they still have priests and such even when education is now bigger than ever before today?
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Churches stay in business by keeping people coming. These changes have been quite sudden and moved very rapidly. Older people still have not realized all that has happened, and many children are not yet being taught correctly because of this delay. If the old people are to continue coming, the churches must teach what they believe, right or wrong.

At your age, you are fortunate to have never known the old ways. At my age, I have been a part of the changes, which is why I see a bigger picture. Ask yourself how long has internet been available, or cable TV. There are still people in these chat rooms, who did not even have TV, and "watched" their shows on the radio as children, and who may have grown up where they did not even have phone numbers, and called their friends by name through the operator.
 
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Bryancampbell

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kenisyes said:
Churches stay in business by keeping people coming. These changes have been quite sudden and moved very rapidly. Older people still have not realized all that has happened, and many children are not yet being taught correctly because of this delay. If the old people are to continue coming, the churches must teach what they believe, right or wrong.

At your age, you are fortunate to have never known the old ways. At my age, I have been a part of the changes, which is why I see a bigger picture. Ask yourself how long has internet been available, or cable TV. There are still people in these chat rooms, who did not even have TV, and "watched" their shows on the radio as children, and who may have grown up where they did not even have phone numbers, and called their friends by name through the operator.
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Even if the changes are moving is it progressing in the right way, or falling down by what they change? I can understand the older would not know, from unawareness, but I would imagine some wanting to be ignorant arrogant against changes, I don't know that's how I thought it was.
 
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kenisyes

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You are correct in all this. We evaluate the changes by Scripture of course, and by taking risks on God to part of the changes. It is sad to see many churches acting as refugees for the arrogant and ignorant, as you suggest, instead of doing this.
 
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Kerry

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What is the risk of trusting Christ? You are teaching falsely my friend.
 
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directline2iam

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59 views and only 10 repl..? The children of Israel we baptized moving across the red sea, but not one of them got their feet wet. Noah and his family were baptized during the flood and never got even their feet wet. John the baptist came along and dunked them in the Jordan and they were completely submersed. Some of the modern churches sprinkle water blessed of God on the childs head and call it a baptizing. It's quite a subject.

Like Kenisyes says, all of the body of Christ have differing Spiritual gifts which I take to mean that some have Gods authority to go around baptizing people.

There are two types of baptizem ...water and fire.

It's a big discussion and should be discussed to the fullest. But to answer the OP yes!
 
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Water baptism is an ordinance established by the Lord. Every new believer is entitled to be baptized in water. From a legal perspective I believe it is necessary to have the proper credentials both from the Lord and the government. If a person is called of the Lord and is ordained then he can baptize in water and issue a baptismal certificate.
Not everyone will have the luxury of attending an organized church. In such situations water baptism certainly could be administered by a lay person. Certainly every believer can testify for the Lord.

For the cause of Christ
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directline2iam

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notuptome said:
Water baptism is an ordinance established by the Lord. Every new believer is entitled to be baptized in water. From a legal perspective I believe it is necessary to have the proper credentials both from the Lord and the government. If a person is called of the Lord and is ordained then he can baptize in water and issue a baptismal certificate.
Not everyone will have the luxury of attending an organized church. In such situations water baptism certainly could be administered by a lay person. Certainly every believer can testify for the Lord.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Don't jump on me now I'm just asking your opinion: Who is "EVERY NEW BELIEVER". Can this be a newborn child or only a person who anounces their understanding of what they believe?

And, Do you think God gives a hoot who has a paper certificate or not?
 
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directline2iam said:
Don't jump on me now I'm just asking your opinion: Who is "EVERY NEW BELIEVER". Can this be a newborn child or only a person who anounces their understanding of what they believe?

And, Do you think God gives a hoot who has a paper certificate or not?
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A new believer is one who has recently received Christ as his Savior. I am not referring to infant baptism but believers baptism according to Acts 8:35-38.
The certificate is for mans benefit not for Gods benefit. It is recognized by the government as a legal document for various purposes.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Bryancampbell

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directline2iam said:
59 views and only 10 repl..? The children of Israel we baptized moving across the red sea, but not one of them got their feet wet. Noah and his family were baptized during the flood and never got even their feet wet. John the baptist came along and dunked them in the Jordan and they were completely submersed. Some of the modern churches sprinkle water blessed of God on the childs head and call it a baptizing. It's quite a subject.

Like Kenisyes says, all of the body of Christ have differing Spiritual gifts which I take to mean that some have Gods authority to go around baptizing people.

There are two types of baptizem ...water and fire.

It's a big discussion and should be discussed to the fullest. But to answer the OP yes!
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Noah was baptized? Please explain friend :)
 
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Bryancampbell said:
Noah was baptized? Please explain friend :)
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That's quite an interesting question Bryancampbell - I think you could look at the question of whether Noah "prefigured" the concept of baptism as the flood water that ultimately cleansed the world. However - Noah stayed OUT of the water which is the thng that saved him while baptism itself is full emersion INTO the water. So really, as explained in 1 Peter 3:20-21, the apostle teaches that baptism is an "antitype" of the saving of Noah. So - much like baptism is the symbolic death of the carnal person, so was the flood the death of the carnal world as exemplified in Romans 6:3-4 by being 'baptized into His death'. Therefore, we are buried with Him through baptism into death and just like Christ was raised from the dead, we should then walk in the newness of life.
 
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2 Kings 5 the exchange between Naaman and Elisha the prophet is revealing in that we see it was common practice for one to wash themselves as a sign of repentance. The message of John the Baptist was one of repentance before baptism. Water baptism is always symbolic.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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josh123

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i don't think not just anyone can perform water baptism though
 
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