Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

[Praus]

I think you should look directly at the commandment. Other things were done and still are done on the sabbath, obviously. But they aren't the sabbath law.

Exodus 20:8-11 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

*This is the sabbath commandment. Number #4 of the 10 commandments.*

OK.

Deut 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

Gentile Christians were not servants in the land of Egypt. That's Judaism, not Christianity.

 

[ed2]

Sir,, every scripture I gave you contained proof of observing the Sabbath Day:

Acts 13:13,14
Acts 16:13
Acts 17:12
Acts 18:4

Each of those scriptures contain the word "sabbath".

So,,, if you desire to disregard Gods 4th commandent,, I suppose that's your business. As for me and my house,, we shall obey the Lord.

"Blessed is the man... that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it." (Isaiah 56:2)

Exactly what are we supposed to do in order to keep the sabbath, according to God? What is God's prescribed punishment for breaking the sabbath, even if it is only once?

The reason I asked is because I have talked to numerous people who profess to be sabbath keepers and have received multiple answers to the above questions.

 

[xXTamXx]

Exodus 20:10
How To Keep The Sabbath Holy - Sabbath Observance

 

[Shiloah]

OK.

Deut 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

Gentile Christians were not servants in the land of Egypt. That's Judaism, not Christianity.

I've heard this slant. I just don't buy it because, yes, the Israelites were brought out of Egypt, but their treasure has now been dispersed to the world of the Gentiles. Their treasure contains the 10 commandments of God. Those are basic. Christ enforced them by putting His stamp of approval on them repeatedly in the New Testament, and He was not only speaking to the Jews, He was fully aware that the entire world would be reading His words thousands of years after He spoke them. The entire plan of God was given to the whole of humanity. Scriptures say the commandments tell us what sin is. That will never change. Besides, we are now, as the body of Christ, the New Israel.

 

[Shiloah]

Exodus 20:10
How To Keep The Sabbath Holy - Sabbath Observance

This looks like a good read, xXTamXx. Thanks.

 

[ed2]

This looks like a good read, xXTamXx. Thanks.

Okay, I will inquire about the Exodus 20 passage.

Exodus 20:8-10

[SUP]8 [/SUP]“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Six days you shall labor and do all your work, [SUP]10 [/SUP]but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who [SUP][e][/SUP]stays with you.

Since God says "six days you shall labor", are we to work for six days out of the seven? This is part of the Sabbath command. It cannot be divorced from the rest of the text. Therefore we must work Sunday-Friday, and rest on Saturday only. If where I work is not open on Sunday, then must I find something to do (work in the yard, etc.) so I will not rest on Sunday. This is God's command regarding the Sabbath keeping, not the Pharisees'.

In all the articles I read on "how to keep the Sabbath" (including the one linked here), there are just so many variations on how to keep the Sabbath, but none of them follow God's way of keeping it (stay where you are, no fires, etc.) according to His word. I understand the Pharisees done some twisting to the "rules", but what I am talking about is God's very words. It seems there is so much confusion on the do's and don't of the Sabbath, by Sabbath keepers. And we know who IS NOT the author of confusion.

What about the penalty of breaking the Sabbath?

Exodus 31:12-15
[SUP]12 [/SUP]The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, [SUP]13 [/SUP]“But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.

Are we to execute people for violating the Sabbath? I mean, this is just as much of a command of God as keeping the Sabbath. It does not say the person shall surely die, it says he shall be PUT to death, like the man of Numbers 15.

Numbers 15:32-36

[SUP]32 [/SUP]Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the sabbath day. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; [SUP]34 [/SUP]and they put him in [SUP][p][/SUP]custody because it had not been [SUP][q][/SUP]declared what should be done to him. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” [SUP]36 [/SUP]So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him [SUP][r][/SUP]to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Are we to do this? Putting someone to death is just as much a command as keeping the Sabbath. The penalty cannot be divorced from the law. How are we to deal with this? Since Jesus did not do away with (become) the Sabbath, we have to abide by everything concerning the Sabbath, right? Or can we pick and choose the parts of the Sabbath we obey?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I had to report your post friend. I never drink and I'm certainly in a sound mind. What you call dribble is a historically sound orthodox exegesis of scripture and since this is a discussion, we share it.

The rest of your post is completely unacceptable on every level and I mean EVERY level.

Your only point (e.g. Jesus kept the Sabbath) has already been addressed in detail in the posts you refuse to read showing you're not ready for these discussions.

You must be out of your drunk mind if you think I,, or anybody else is gonna read all your slurring dribble.

God gave us a Sabbath,, he says it's the 7th Day. He even gave us a Commandment. The 4th commandment. Read it sometime.

God gave us a Sabbath,, and Satan deceived you into tossing Gods 7th Day Sabbath,, for his counterfiet,,,sunday.

Have another drink,, pass the wine to your children as well... let your whole house drink it.


Your church is blind. That's why you have no idea of what the mark of the beast is...

Your church is blindfolded, drunk, and stumbles like a drunken sailor on liberty in a foriegn port.

Yet, you tell me, I'm wrong,,, Jesus kept the 7th Day Sabbath,, and He is my Example!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I never said you were. You just assumed that I assumed something I never did. The topic of this thread is Mark of the beast is Sunday worship which is a heretical teaching false prophet/teachers in the SDA cult invented so it's relevant to this discussion.

First of all, do you know what happens when you assume? I am not an SDA.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

It won't have Christ's authority behind it because your teaching isn't valid. The true heresy is falsely asserting that all genuine born again Christians that worship God on Sunday are going to burn in hell with the devil and anti-Christ forever. That's the topic of the thread and why I'm here refuting it.

If you want to yoke yourself with the Mosaic Law and teach others to do that after Jesus freed humanity via fulfillment, then that's a foolish thing to do imo. It certainly doesn't make you holier or earn points with God to play Sabbath keeper every weekend especially when you look down on other Christians for not following you into that error, a behavior Jesus said was "weightier" than the religious aspects.

We're just going in circles because it's already been explained to you that Jesus fulfilled the old covenant Mosaic Law that God had with the nation of Israel ushering in the prophesied new covenant (Jeremiah 31).

The only thing I'm doing is teaching you how ridiculous your false assertions are. Let's try this again.

The speaker in Luke 16:17 is Jesus Christ who "is the end of the law, so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes" (Rom 10:4). Jesus maintained that the proper way to keep any commandment was to fulfill the purpose for which it was given. The law for Jesus was the expression of God’s will which is eternal and unchangeable. Jesus did not come to modify the will of God; Jesus fulfilled it.

As Jesus said in Matthew 5:17, ""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until all was fulfilled. With Jesus’ death and resurrection, his exaltation and the sending of the Holy Spirit upon the church, that time of fulfillment came. That which the law foreshadowed was now fulfilled. The law had come through Moses, grace and truth now came through Jesus Christ.

In the past the marks of membership of the people of God were being born a Jew (or becoming a proselyte), circumcision (if a male) and obedience to the Mosaic law. But now the marks of membership were faith in Jesus Christ and participation in His Holy Spirit.

Circumcision and observance of the Mosaic Law were no longer required. However, the love of God and love of neighbor, which summed up what the law required, were to be produced in those who had been reborn, have God's morality "written on their heart," and walk in the Spirit. The Mosaic law was no longer their law any more than the Mosaic covenant was still their covenant; however, their scripture (including the law) was still useful for ‘teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness’ (2 Tim. 3:16), as long as it was read paradigmatically. The Apostles John and Paul got the message, you obviously never did.

Paul makes it clear that with Christ's death and resurrection sinners are now declared righteous, not on the basis of their merits in keeping the old covenant Mosaic Sabbath law, but rather on the basis of their standing "in Christ": "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus" (Rom 8:1 RSV; cf. Rom 3:21–31; Gal 3:11; Eph 2:8–9). Jesus doesn't then toss them all into hell anyway for failing to adhere to the external observance of the old covenant Mosaic Sabbath law.

I'll move along alright. I can get direct to, and in the name of Christ, I will do so.

The true heresy represented here was exacted and is continually exacted by those who took and continue to take upon themselves the authority to change the Holy Law of God written by God's own hand. You defend those that originally did so and continue to do so, but the truth remains the truth all the same. As Christ Himself said, it will endure forever. You are nothing more than a follower of the doctrines of men who have done exactly what you're doing for many long centuries now, applying and reapplying their wicked expertise to the twisting of scriptures for the purpose of smoothing over their crimes against God's truth.

Again, the true heresy exacted here is represented by those who continually and doggedly defend their position that any man ever has, or ever did have the right to change any law of God, be that Paul the disciple, Constantine, or anyone else on earth. You blasphemy Christ's own words when you curse those that insist on keeping His commandments as Christ Himself instructed us to do if we love Him. In so doing, you curse yourself.

Matthew 5:19

Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

This warning in scripture given to us by Christ Himself is about men like YOU who are doing exactly this right here and now! Again, this scripture is about YOU!

 

[danschance]

It won't have Christ's authority behind it because your teaching isn't valid. The true heresy is falsely asserting that all genuine born again Christians that worship God on Sunday are going to burn in hell with the devil and anti-Christ forever. That's the topic of the thread and why I'm here refuting it.

If you want to yoke yourself with the Mosaic Law and teach others to do that after Jesus freed humanity via fulfillment, then that's a foolish thing to do imo. It certainly doesn't make you holier or earn points with God to play Sabbath keeper every weekend especially when you look down on other Christians for not following you into that error, a behavior Jesus said was "weightier" than the religious aspects.

We're just going in circles because it's already been explained to you that Jesus fulfilled the old covenant Mosaic Law that God had with the nation of Israel ushering in the prophesied new covenant (Jeremiah 31).

The only thing I'm doing is teaching you how ridiculous your false assertions are. Let's try this again.

The speaker in Luke 16:17 is Jesus Christ who "is the end of the law, so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes" (Rom 10:4). Jesus maintained that the proper way to keep any commandment was to fulfill the purpose for which it was given. The law for Jesus was the expression of God’s will which is eternal and unchangeable. Jesus did not come to modify the will of God; Jesus fulfilled it.

As Jesus said in Matthew 5:17, ""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until all was fulfilled. With Jesus’ death and resurrection, his exaltation and the sending of the Holy Spirit upon the church, that time of fulfillment came. That which the law foreshadowed was now fulfilled. The law had come through Moses, grace and truth now came through Jesus Christ.

In the past the marks of membership of the people of God were being born a Jew (or becoming a proselyte), circumcision (if a male) and obedience to the Mosaic law. But now the marks of membership were faith in Jesus Christ and participation in His Holy Spirit.

Circumcision and observance of the Mosaic Law were no longer required. However, the love of God and love of neighbor, which summed up what the law required, were to be produced in those who had been reborn, have God's morality "written on their heart," and walk in the Spirit. The Mosaic law was no longer their law any more than the Mosaic covenant was still their covenant; however, their scripture (including the law) was still useful for ‘teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness’ (2 Tim. 3:16), as long as it was read paradigmatically. The Apostles John and Paul got the message, you obviously never did.

Paul makes it clear that with Christ's death and resurrection sinners are now declared righteous, not on the basis of their merits in keeping the old covenant Mosaic Sabbath law, but rather on the basis of their standing "in Christ": "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus" (Rom 8:1 RSV; cf. Rom 3:21–31; Gal 3:11; Eph 2:8–9). Jesus doesn't then toss them all into hell anyway for failing to adhere to the external observance of the old covenant Mosaic Sabbath law.

Amen brother. Well put. I tried to give you a rep point but it said I had to spread it around first or something like that.

Jesus did not abolish the law he fulfilled it as you said. That is why the curtain or "barrier" covering the Holy of Hollies ripped from top to bottom. We can now boldly go before God and speak to him with out the need for a high priest on earth because Jesus is now our High Priest in Heaven.

The mosaic laws are fulfilled and that is what the sabbath nuts do not get. Christ gave us freedom, incredible freedom, even freedom from the mosaic laws. Freedom to not be circumcised, freedom to eat anything we wish and freedom to worship on any day, but never without love.

 

[Shiloah]

I had to report your post friend. I never drink and I'm certainly in a sound mind. What you call dribble is a historically sound orthodox exegesis of scripture and since this is a discussion, we share it.

The rest of your post is completely unacceptable on every level and I mean EVERY level.

Your only point (e.g. Jesus kept the Sabbath) has already been addressed in detail in the posts you refuse to read showing you're not ready for these discussions.

It's a bit hard not to get rough with you because in every one of your posts, you begin them by saying something like "your heretical beliefs" or the "cult church" you belong to. You think that doesn't make the other person angry and defensive? I don't see much difference in your accusations than someone saying you drink. What you say is slander in the eyes of those that disagree with you. Perhaps you should think about that when you elect to report someone elses supposedly bad behavior but don't even acknowledge your own, let alone apologize for it. You can expect others to eventually answer you in a like manner to how you continually address them.

 

[Shiloah]

It won't have Christ's authority behind it because your teaching isn't valid. The true heresy is falsely asserting that all genuine born again Christians that worship God on Sunday are going to burn in hell with the devil and anti-Christ forever. That's the topic of the thread and why I'm here refuting it.

If you want to yoke yourself with the Mosaic Law and teach others to do that after Jesus freed humanity via fulfillment, then that's a foolish thing to do imo. It certainly doesn't make you holier or earn points with God to play Sabbath keeper every weekend especially when you look down on other Christians for not following you into that error, a behavior Jesus said was "weightier" than the religious aspects.

We're just going in circles because it's already been explained to you that Jesus fulfilled the old covenant Mosaic Law that God had with the nation of Israel ushering in the prophesied new covenant (Jeremiah 31).

The only thing I'm doing is teaching you how ridiculous your false assertions are. Let's try this again.

The speaker in Luke 16:17 is Jesus Christ who "is the end of the law, so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes" (Rom 10:4). Jesus maintained that the proper way to keep any commandment was to fulfill the purpose for which it was given. The law for Jesus was the expression of God’s will which is eternal and unchangeable. Jesus did not come to modify the will of God; Jesus fulfilled it.

As Jesus said in Matthew 5:17, ""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until all was fulfilled. With Jesus’ death and resurrection, his exaltation and the sending of the Holy Spirit upon the church, that time of fulfillment came. That which the law foreshadowed was now fulfilled. The law had come through Moses, grace and truth now came through Jesus Christ.

In the past the marks of membership of the people of God were being born a Jew (or becoming a proselyte), circumcision (if a male) and obedience to the Mosaic law. But now the marks of membership were faith in Jesus Christ and participation in His Holy Spirit.

Circumcision and observance of the Mosaic Law were no longer required. However, the love of God and love of neighbor, which summed up what the law required, were to be produced in those who had been reborn, have God's morality "written on their heart," and walk in the Spirit. The Mosaic law was no longer their law any more than the Mosaic covenant was still their covenant; however, their scripture (including the law) was still useful for ‘teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness’ (2 Tim. 3:16), as long as it was read paradigmatically. The Apostles John and Paul got the message, you obviously never did.

Paul makes it clear that with Christ's death and resurrection sinners are now declared righteous, not on the basis of their merits in keeping the old covenant Mosaic Sabbath law, but rather on the basis of their standing "in Christ": "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus" (Rom 8:1 RSV; cf. Rom 3:21–31; Gal 3:11; Eph 2:8–9). Jesus doesn't then toss them all into hell anyway for failing to adhere to the external observance of the old covenant Mosaic Sabbath law.

Your teaching is entirely invalid. The only authority I recognize is God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ, and Jesus made it perfectly clear what He wants from us. You just ignore it, because it doesn't suit your agenda. You're a perfect example of men that spend their lives accumulating knowledge but never come to the knowledge of the truth. In all you wrote here, again, I see your interpretations of these scriptures all throughout and that's it. My opinion is invalid? Again and again, my opinion is based strictly on what Christ said directly to us in the already posted scriptures. All your rhetoric does not change that and never will.

Christ said to put on His yoke. I'm happy to do that, for it is not heavy. His own words tell me that if I love Him, I'll keep His commandments. Glory to God for the yoke that not only frees me from sin, but gives me life in Christ my Lord.

 

[Shiloah]

It won't have Christ's authority behind it because your teaching isn't valid. The true heresy is falsely asserting that all genuine born again Christians that worship God on Sunday are going to burn in hell with the devil and anti-Christ forever. That's the topic of the thread and why I'm here refuting it.

If you want to yoke yourself with the Mosaic Law and teach others to do that after Jesus freed humanity via fulfillment, then that's a foolish thing to do imo. It certainly doesn't make you holier or earn points with God to play Sabbath keeper every weekend especially when you look down on other Christians for not following you into that error, a behavior Jesus said was "weightier" than the religious aspects.

We're just going in circles because it's already been explained to you that Jesus fulfilled the old covenant Mosaic Law that God had with the nation of Israel ushering in the prophesied new covenant (Jeremiah 31).

The only thing I'm doing is teaching you how ridiculous your false assertions are. Let's try this again.

The speaker in Luke 16:17 is Jesus Christ who "is the end of the law, so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes" (Rom 10:4). Jesus maintained that the proper way to keep any commandment was to fulfill the purpose for which it was given. The law for Jesus was the expression of God’s will which is eternal and unchangeable. Jesus did not come to modify the will of God; Jesus fulfilled it.

As Jesus said in Matthew 5:17, ""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until all was fulfilled. With Jesus’ death and resurrection, his exaltation and the sending of the Holy Spirit upon the church, that time of fulfillment came. That which the law foreshadowed was now fulfilled. The law had come through Moses, grace and truth now came through Jesus Christ.

In the past the marks of membership of the people of God were being born a Jew (or becoming a proselyte), circumcision (if a male) and obedience to the Mosaic law. But now the marks of membership were faith in Jesus Christ and participation in His Holy Spirit.

Circumcision and observance of the Mosaic Law were no longer required. However, the love of God and love of neighbor, which summed up what the law required, were to be produced in those who had been reborn, have God's morality "written on their heart," and walk in the Spirit. The Mosaic law was no longer their law any more than the Mosaic covenant was still their covenant; however, their scripture (including the law) was still useful for ‘teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness’ (2 Tim. 3:16), as long as it was read paradigmatically. The Apostles John and Paul got the message, you obviously never did.

Paul makes it clear that with Christ's death and resurrection sinners are now declared righteous, not on the basis of their merits in keeping the old covenant Mosaic Sabbath law, but rather on the basis of their standing "in Christ": "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus" (Rom 8:1 RSV; cf. Rom 3:21–31; Gal 3:11; Eph 2:8–9). Jesus doesn't then toss them all into hell anyway for failing to adhere to the external observance of the old covenant Mosaic Sabbath law.

I have repeatedly posted scripture spoken by Christ Himself that says to keep the commandments. So have others in here. You ignore them as if they were never posted. You only brag about your supposed credentials which only involve the study of other men's interpretations, of which they naturally have self-ordained as authoritative interpretations. But you can't read a simply verse for exactly what it says.

You're nothing but a pompous bully. I recognize them right off when I see them.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I'm being accurate. Instead of blaming me for giving you the truth Shiloah, you should repent and adjust to the truth.

And you are the one who started the first post of abusive ad hominem in this discussion. Scroll back and you'll see that I merely replied to your first post in that vein defending myself from your false accusations. You started it and look you're continuing it instead of dealing with the topic of discussion.

 

[Shiloah]

I'm being accurate. Instead of blaming me for giving you the truth Shiloah, you should repent and adjust to the truth.

And you are the one who started the first post of abusive ad hominem in this discussion. Scroll back and you'll see that I merely replied to your first post in that vein defending myself from your false accusations. You started it and look you're continuing it instead of dealing with the topic of discussion.

I recognize truth and I recognize liars. And you're a liar.

I already replied to your abusive ad hominem accusation. Go back and reread. If you didn't understand it then you won't now. You are blind only to what you say. I accuse you because you're guilty of attacking those that do what Christ says. I'm only calling a spade a spade.

 

[Shiloah]

I'm being accurate. Instead of blaming me for giving you the truth Shiloah, you should repent and adjust to the truth.

And you are the one who started the first post of abusive ad hominem in this discussion. Scroll back and you'll see that I merely replied to your first post in that vein defending myself from your false accusations. You started it and look you're continuing it instead of dealing with the topic of discussion.

As for replying to the discussion alone? Perhaps you should learn how to do that without calling the other side of the debate heretics and false teachers in every sentence. Perhaps you should not post scriptures of which anyone can read and understand themselves without you then posting your backwards interpretation of what those scriptures clearly state right under it. Anyone that bothers to read through your all your wasted rhetoric can see that. You still can't address the verses that clearly state, spoken by Christ Himself, exactly what He wants us to do regarding the commandments.

All of this is about the Mark of the Beast. The Sabbath issue is about the Mark of the Beast. You don't separate one from the other, and from a person that cannot separate it from the Millerites from the early 1800s that never even addressed this issue, I'd suggest you look to yourself when you speak of addressing the issue at hand.

As I said before, the ad hominum attack comes only from you, especially when that attack is again, only to throw off the main discussion by trying to devalue whatever Ellen White ever said based on what happened with the Millerites.

 

[Laodicea]

This topic has turned into a debate not a study, people throwing accusations at each other. This is not good and not the way to study the word of God.

 

[Shiloah]

This topic has turned into a debate not a study, people throwing accusations at each other. This is not good and not the way to study the word of God.

Go for it, Laodicea. I'll be quiet now. Promise.

 

[Laodicea]

Go for it, Laodicea. I'll be quiet now. Promise.

Jesus did not study like this, the Apostles were against any division and debating like this. People need to take a step back take a breath and let the Bible speak. It is up to the Holy Spirit to lead into truth not us, we are instruments in His hand.

 

[1still_waters]

Just a reminder, let's keep it civil lil fishies.
I know things get heated, so maybe step away and diffuse a lil.
Thanks.