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danschance

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Why should I engage in pointless discussion? We gain nothing for that but quarrels and division. My focus is to share the Love and the saving grace of Christ...not your saturday keeping rituals !!!

Worshiping in sunday won't make me devil. We can worship the Lord at any days or hours.
It is pointless after you have had the same discussion with the same people, over and over and over. On the other hand it is important to answer lies with truth to protect the weak in faith.
 
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Shiloah

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It is pointless after you have had the same discussion with the same people, over and over and over. On the other hand it is important to answer lies with truth to protect the weak in faith.
That's why I keep correcting you, Danschance. I feel it's important to answer lies with truth.
 
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danschance

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Praus, I happen to be of German heritage and I am proud of it. That does not mean or imply that I am a Nazi who runs around firebombing Jewish synagogues. My father was a Lutheran Pastor, Missouri Synod. During World War II He was 4F'd for flat feet, but his older brother fought in it and suffered what we now call PTSD. He cried himself to sleep every night after he came home from the war. He and my father also were never a Nazi's, in case you were wondering.

I find your last post offensive and hope the moderators remove it immediately and frankly, I do not appreciate racism in any form.
 
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Praus, I happen to be of German heritage and I am proud of it.

I find your last post offensive and hope the moderators remove it immediately and frankly, I do not appreciate racism in any form.
I will never understand how those statements work together.
 

john832

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Sending me to Strong's only works if you're a better translator that the team who translated the King James version. This is the Bible discussion forum, so we quote scripture here.
I have done an exegesis of Acts 20:7 several times here, perhaps you could look it up.
 

john832

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Great, every scripture I gave you says no Sabbath without animal sacrifice. Withholding sacrifice to God is one example of polluting the Sabbath, so Isaiah was right on.
And you don't understand Who the animal sacrifices pointed to?
 

john832

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OK.

Deut 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

Gentile Christians were not servants in the land of Egypt. That's Judaism, not Christianity.
Egypt beint thei type of sin, ALL have been in spiritual salvery to Egypt.
 

john832

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OK.

Deut 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

Gentile Christians were not servants in the land of Egypt. That's Judaism, not Christianity.
Uh, how about posting something that shows the Sabbath is no longer in force and Sunday is now the proper day for worship.
 

john832

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Exactly what are we supposed to do in order to keep the sabbath, according to God? What is God's prescribed punishment for breaking the sabbath, even if it is only once?

The reason I asked is because I have talked to numerous people who profess to be sabbath keepers and have received multiple answers to the above questions.
Insert Sunday in the above statements.
 
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I think the issue is more of what the animal sacrifices really were.
 

john832

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Praus, I happen to be of German heritage and I am proud of it. That does not mean or imply that I am a Nazi who runs around firebombing Jewish synagogues. My father was a Lutheran Pastor, Missouri Synod. During World War II He was 4F'd for flat feet, but his older brother fought in it and suffered what we now call PTSD. He cried himself to sleep every night after he came home from the war. He and my father also were never a Nazi's, in case you were wondering.

I find your last post offensive and hope the moderators remove it immediately and frankly, I do not appreciate racism in any form.
Seems perhaps we have more in common than we knew.
 

john832

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I think the issue is more of what the animal sacrifices really were.
That is not complicated...

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

And you can go on to read the rest of the chapter and see how Christ's perfect sacrifice fulfilled the shadow the animal sacrifices cast.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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well if you think scripture is all about keeping commandments...then -no- you -don't- understand the essence of scripture...you have completely missed the central lesson of scripture and of christianity...namely salvation only by grace through faith in christ...
AMEN!

Scripture is about our inability to keep commandments, and Gods provision to save us. why people want to do what God says over and over is impossible. and think that makes them holy is beyond me!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Uh, how about posting something that shows the Sabbath is no longer in force and Sunday is now the proper day for worship.

um. how about showing something which states the sabbath was intended only as a day of worship.. and if you do not worship on this day you are breaking it..
 
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danschance

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Uh, how about posting something that shows the Sabbath is no longer in force and Sunday is now the proper day for worship.
Col. 2:16
So don't let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.
 
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1still_waters

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Oy veh! Holocaust jokes still make people cringe.



Here's a photo of Luther Day in Berlin in 1933, to commemorate the day that Luther nailed his 95 Theses onto the door of the Castle Church in Wittenberg in 1517.

Prussian Union of churches - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I see some conflict in this thread due to the post quoted above.
As far as I can tell, the poster is discussing an actual historical event and posting a picture from said event.
I don't sense him being pro Nazi, or proclaiming Jews need to be exterminated.

If his picture was combined with chants for Jews to be exterminated, along with praise of Hitler, it would be removed immediately.

It's a sad fact that Nazis existed in history. There are lots of pictures of them.
I don't think referencing them while discussing history, is necessarily bad in and of itself.
If there is something I'm missing, please correct me.
 

john832

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Col. 2:16
So don't let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.
Nice try but you are misquoting the scripture...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

the word "not" is not there. You are adding to the scripture.
 
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danschance

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Nice try but you are misquoting the scripture...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

the word "not" is not there. You are adding to the scripture.
No, I did not misquote anything. I quoted the New Living Translation.
 
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danschance

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In regards to Col. 2:16, Ray vernon Mcgee says:
A believer is not to observe ordinances that are ritual or liturgical, as they have no present value.
J. Vernon Mcgee

Here is the context of Col. 2:16
Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Good luck twisting this into we must obey the Sabbath!


Romans 6:14 - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 10:4 - For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God

Romans 7:6 - But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.

John 1:17 - For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:18 - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Galatians 5:4 - Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Romans 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Ephesians 1:7 - In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;